[W:611]Covid's toll in the U.S. reaches a once unfathomable number: 1 million deaths

[Metric Mouse]

Yes. Let's all get serious and go nuke some hurricanes.

Imagine having a higher death count than the guy with the hurricane sharpie.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Forgive me for pointing this out, as you are relatively new.

But the numbers of deaths has been raised, and discussed, and evaluated regularly in this Forum. There are a multitude of threads on the topic.

Now "1 million deaths" sounds scary-scary, but it remains about 1 out of every 345 people.

Thats 0.0029%. It still remains mostly people who are over 60, or are Obese, both groups also having several pre-exiting illnesses and a breathing disorder.

No one has ever argued that those most at risk should not be taking every precaution, and those who work with those groups should be especially careful.

Meanwhile, fearmongering isn't going to stampede those of us who understand the realities of this situation.

In 27 months, over six million people would die in the U.S. ex the virus. Assuming they are all excess deaths, that is a 17% difference in the death rate.

Now, the big question is how many of those million really passed from the virus. The government has every reason to be dishonest about that one.

I know from expereince that people died from the virus who didn't die from the virus.

 

[devildavid]

His failure to push lockdowns, his year long delay in mandating vaccines, his failure to get testing supplies up to speed despite his promises he would, his premature covid victory speech, his constant "What can I do? Nothing!" attitude on the virus, as displayed in this thread.

Dude, literally more people died under him than Trump, and Trump didn't do shit except threaten to fire people if they didn't approve the vaccine. How can that NOT be his fault?

The only reason to excuse Biden is as a backdoor excuse for Trump.

He pushed hard at first, but could not get the American people to cooperate. He attempted to mandate vaccines where he had authority, and was shot down by opposition in many areas outside of federal control. He is president, not dictator. He doesn't have the power to force all Americans to get vaccinated and neither did Trump. And Trump himself was responsible for personally spreading Covid and downplaying it, setting Biden up for strong opposition to any mandates at all. So to blame Biden more than Trump or the American people is absurd. But I do agree that Bide gave up too easily. However, the courts have not backed mandates that he attempted. And the reason more people died is because the pandemic started at the end of Trump's term in office, not because he did more.

 

[Fledermaus]

His failure to push lockdowns,

So you support lockdowns now?

his year long delay in mandating vaccines,

Ah, so you want forced vaccination.

his failure to get testing supplies up to speed despite his promises he would,

And this is his fault and not the fault of manufacturers?

his premature covid victory speech,

And this would stop the people who already decided not to take the vaccine?

his constant "What can I do? Nothing!" attitude on the virus, as displayed in this thread.

Interesting. When did Biden post that on this thread?

Dude, literally more people died under him than Trump, and Trump didn't do shit except threaten to fire people if they didn't approve the vaccine.

Dude, literally two varients appeared that were far, far more infectious. And the anti-vaxxers continued to anti-vaxx. Ergo more deaths.

How can that NOT be his fault?

COVID

The only reason to excuse Biden is as a backdoor excuse for Trump.

That makes zero sense.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Umm

no.



Not by choice. If there is no vaccine one can't take or reject the vaccine.



And he has.



Ignorant opinion noted.



What "action" caused the unvaxxed to remain unvaxxed?

Biden watched more Americans die than Trump did, shrugged his shoulders and said "Well, what can I do? Nothing? Then that's what I'll do!"

Literally the only reason to excuse Biden's unvaccinated deaths (and tens of thousands of vaccinated deaths) is as a backdoor excuse to let Trump off the hook. Neither one did well, but one did allow more unvaccinated people to die than the other.

 

[Spunkylama]

In 27 months, over six million people would die in the U.S. ex the virus. Assuming they are all excess deaths, that is a 17% difference in the death rate.

Now, the big question is how many of those million really passed from the virus. The government has every reason to be dishonest about that one.

I know from expereince that people died from the virus who didn't die from the virus.

Yeah they die from things like lung failure due to the virus.

 

[devildavid]

Unconscionable. Never mind how he'll be remembered historically - today he should be considered a stain on America.

He was a stain before he became president. Becoming president made the stain more noticeable.

 

[Fledermaus]

Biden watched more Americans die than Trump did, shrugged his shoulders and said "Well, what can I do? Nothing? Then that's what I'll do!"

Quote him.

Literally the only reason to excuse Biden's unvaccinated deaths (and tens of thousands of vaccinated deaths) is as a backdoor excuse to let Trump off the hook. Neither one did well, but one did allow more unvaccinated people to die than the other.

One president did everything in his power to stop COVID.

The other one was Trump.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The virus was real.

The panic was a hoax.

The response was a total joke and unnecessary as we focused on all the wrong things.

People are tired of it. And have moved on.

We are now averaging about 300 deaths per day. That is a 4% increase from "normal".

 

[devildavid]

The virus was real.

The panic was a hoax.

The response was a total joke and unnecessary as we focused on all the wrong things.

People are tired of it. And have moved on.

We are now averaging about 300 deaths per day. That is a 4% increase from "normal".

So creating the vaccinse was a joke?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yeah they die from things like lung failure due to the virus.

And they die from lung failure due to pneumonia.

What was your point ?

That people died from other things while they had COVID isn't disputed.

What others are unwilling to admit is that we've bloated the numbers.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So creating the vaccinse was a joke?

Absolutely not.

Trying to force the vaccine on someone was, however.

 

[devildavid]

And they die from lung failure due to pneumonia.

What was your point ?

That people died from other things while they had COVID isn't disputed.

What others are unwilling to admit is that we've bloated the numbers.

More likely the numbers are understated.

 

[Fledermaus]

And they die from lung failure due to pneumonia.

What was your point ?

That people died from other things while they had COVID isn't disputed.

What others are unwilling to admit is that we've bloated the numbers.

Actually COVID deaths are likely to be under-counted in the US and UK and massively under-counted in China and India.

 

[JMB802]

So what exactly was Joe, the Liar's plan when he said he'd end it.

You funny.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/National-Strategy-for-the-COVID-19-Response-and-Pandemic-Preparedness.pdf

 

[Fledermaus]

Absolutely not.

Trying to force the vaccine on someone was, however.

According to Metric Mouse one of Biden's failings was not mandating the vaccine.

 

[devildavid]

Absolutely not.

Trying to force the vaccine on someone was, however.

And refusing to get the vaccine is a joke of sorts. The joke is on those that refuse, but it often isn't funny.

 

[Metric Mouse]

But I do agree that Bide gave up too easily.

There you go. That's the entire problem. He could have done more, but he didn't. And if this was something that didn't matter, it would just be a political talking point. But literally 600,000 people died.

Hell, Biden wouldn't even send hospital ships to states that requested them, something even Trump managed.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Quote him.



One president did everything in his power to stop COVID.

The other one was Trump.

Pretty bad when Joe Biden's best effort let's more people die than Trump's non effort.

Biden wouldn't even send military hospital ships to states the requested them when dealing with surges. Even Donald Trump managed to do that.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Actually COVID deaths are likely to be under-counted in the US and UK and massively under-counted in China and India.

Feel free to share.

I know, from firsthand experiences that in some cases COVID deaths were not that.

 

[Fledermaus]

Pretty bad when Joe Biden's best effort let's more people die than Trump's non effort.

Biden wouldn't even send military hospital ships to states the requested them when dealing with surges. Even Donald Trump managed to do that.

He do you expect Biden to fix stupid?

Because stupid is the number one cause of COVID death once the vaccine became available.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You funny.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/National-Strategy-for-the-COVID-19-Response-and-Pandemic-Preparedness.pdf

Soooooo maybe he needed 800 pages in his document instead of 200.

Do you think it might have worked then ?

 

[Fledermaus]

Feel free to share.

I know, from firsthand experiences that in some cases COVID deaths were not that.

You couldn't do three seconds of research?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

First one. Results are pages.

 

[HikerGuy83]

And refusing to get the vaccine is a joke of sorts. The joke is on those that refuse, but it often isn't funny.

It's a choice. And we are done on that topic.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You couldn't do three seconds of research?

https://abcnews.go.com › story
US likely undercounting COVID-19 surge, experts say - ABC News

It takes me less than that to process my conclusions from watching the pathetic performance by so-called experts on this topic.

I don't trust anything anyone says.