[W: 594] A great question for pro abortion types

[Scrabaholic]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

So women should have more of a right to self determination than other humans? Nah, screw that.

If the baby is also a human it too should have a right to self determination. Until you get that baby's permission to suck its brain out with a vacuum cleaner you're infringing on its rights, and the only reason people like you support this is because it's convenient for the humans who are currently of voting age and able to vote in your crooked party. Detestable.

How CONVENIENT for you that you will never, ever be pregnant.

ZEFs are not human beings. FACT.

 

[Lursa]

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Organs harvested after birth would not be from an aborted human.

It would depend on the organ,

My statement had zero to do with which organ. Only the status of when it was harvested. If after birth, then it's not from an aborted human.

 

[Lursa]

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Not the point. Try to stay on topic.

Once the actual distinctions and definitions were provided, there's really nothing left.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

So women should have more of a right to self determination than other humans? Nah, screw that.

If the baby is also a human it too should have a right to self determination. Until you get that baby's permission to suck its brain out with a vacuum cleaner you're infringing on its rights, and the only reason people like you support this is because it's convenient for the humans who are currently of voting age and able to vote in your crooked party. Detestable.

It's either/or. Both cannot have self-determination if it's without the woman's consent. By definition then, it violates her bodily sovereignty and her self-determination.

So then why is the unborn more entitled to a woman to self-determination?

 

[Individual]

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My statement had zero to do with which organ. Only the status of when it was harvested. If after birth, then it's not from an aborted human.

Is there a point to be made?

 

[Lursa]

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Is there a point to be made?

That you brought something to the discussion that failed to hold up under debate.

That's what you were looking for, right? Instead of just letting it go?

 

[concernedpuma]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Gaius46 clearly insinuated that that babies in the womb may be humans, so his post made was under that pre-tense. Despite this he's willingly admitting that, even if the baby is a human, he doesn't mind giving the woman the right to kill it.

A heartbeat is a human life and few definitions or institutions would argue against that. Killing a human being because they may potentially affect your health isn't a fundamental right you get to grant yourself. I work at a daycare centre and the kids there make me sick all the damn time. I had the flu 16 times last year, and a stomach bug at least another handful of times. All cases of being passed down by the kids. Is it a decision of my health if I decide to end their life? No.

New twist and an interesting notion.
Regards,
CP

 

[concernedpuma]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

We kill humans every day in this country

Hmmmm, You may, but I don't. Who is your we?
Regard's,
CP

 

[Individual]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

That you brought something to the discussion that failed to hold up under debate.

That's what you were looking for, right? Instead of just letting it go?

I think the OP title and question did that.

I've not been debating anything, but simply stating MY views on abortion relative to the rights of the Woman vs government and the general population.
There remains, and will continue to remain, a deep divide on the topic until the Woman is without question allowed to exercise her rights fully.

 

[Lursa]

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I think the OP title and question did that.

I've not been debating anything, but simply stating MY views on abortion relative to the rights of the Woman vs government and the general population.
There remains, and will continue to remain, a deep divide on the topic until the Woman is without question allowed to exercise her rights fully.

You keep insisting there are considerations for post-birth abortions when no such thing exists. So it has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Individual]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

You keep insisting there are considerations for post-birth abortions when no such thing exists. So it has nothing to do with the OP.

So why don't YOU simply let it go, and make an effort to clarify what the OP is trying to say and ask?

 

[Lursa]

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So why don't YOU simply let it go, and make an effort to clarify what the OP is trying to say and ask?

Several of us have tried. Why havent you acknowledged your misuse of the word and kept going?

 

[Individual]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Several of us have tried. Why havent you acknowledged your misuse of the word and kept going?

Though not a very good attempt.
Because I have explained how I apply the word fittingly, and I fully accept the fact that you and others are free to disagree with it.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Though not a very good attempt.
Because I have explained how I apply the word fittingly, and I fully accept the fact that you and others are free to disagree with it.

Then what I guess is that you dont realize you failed. It's a sub-forum about abortion, a word with a very specific definition on this issue.

We are not talking about aborted missiles. We are all, without exception, discussing the abortion of a human unborn. The word *does not* apply to ending human life after birth. That is an improper use of the word.

Expecting constructive debate when you intentionally and self-indulgently misuse a word isnt logical.

 

[Individual]

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Then what I guess is that you dont realize you failed. It's a sub-forum about abortion, a word with a very specific definition on this issue.

We are not talking about aborted missiles. We are all, without exception, discussing the abortion of a human unborn. The word *does not* apply to ending human life after birth. That is an improper use of the word.

Expecting constructive debate when you intentionally and self-indulgently misuse a word isnt logical.

Sorry, but I disagree, accept it and move on.
You, and perhaps others seem to want to apply the words kill or murder post birth and/or at some earlier stage of development in order to denigrate the Womans choice to abort by making it more an emotional decision.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

How’s this for logical? You’re barking up the wrong tree. The baby’s humanity is isn’t what matters. What matters is the woman’s right to self determination. Her right to decide what to do with her body.

... and yet it isn't her body that is being harvested for organs...

 

[Lursa]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Sorry, but I disagree, accept it and move on.
You, and perhaps others seem to want to apply the words kill or murder post birth and/or at some earlier stage of development in order to denigrate the Womans choice to abort by making it more an emotional decision.

Killing is accurate, murder is not (pre-birth).

Using words accurately is not emotional manipulation...it's 'adult.'

 

[Individual]

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Killing is accurate, murder is not (pre-birth).

Using words accurately is not emotional manipulation...it's 'adult.'

Then ACT like an adult and allow the individual Woman to make a choice which will have no effect on YOUR life.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Killing is accurate, murder is not (pre-birth).

Using words accurately is not emotional manipulation...it's 'adult.'

Then ACT like an adult and allow the individual Woman to make a choice which will have no effect on YOUR life.

??? Where did I ever mention anything differently? Are you responding to another poster?

Altho it's the law that 'allows' women the right to choose...I just support it.

 

[Individual]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

??? Where did I ever mention anything differently? Are you responding to another poster?

Altho it's the law that 'allows' women the right to choose...I just support it.

The law only prevents the Woman from being prosecuted as a result of exercising her Rights.

 

[Lursa]

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The law only prevents the Woman from being prosecuted as a result of exercising her Rights.

What is the distinction between abortion and other laws that you are attempting to make here?

 

[iguanaman]

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The question is-----------if the baby aborted is not human, why are organs being harvested from them. That doesnt seem to compute.

Any logical comments?

It is human tissue but where it comes from is not A human being it is a human fetus. Do you even know what that tissue is used for?

One of the earliest advances with fetal tissue was to use fetal kidney cells to create the first poliovirus vaccines, which are now estimated to save 550,000 lives worldwide every year.

Fetal tissue: How it's used in medical research - CNN

 

[Individual]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

What is the distinction between abortion and other laws that you are attempting to make here?

None.

 

[Lursa]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

None.

Why do you continue to post pointless, obvious responses?

 

[Individual]

Re: A great question for pro abortion types

Why do you continue to post pointless, obvious responses?

I simply responded to a rather pointless OP question, and responses with differing opinions.