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[W:592] How is being kind and inclusive a bad thing? Aren't those things objectively good?

Is it fundamental good to be open-minded, inclusive, and kind to others?

  • No, we should only be good to people who think and act like me.

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Is it woke? Most of my conservative media have been saying, whatever its flaws, it's not woke.
People in this thread thought so, as did people in the link I posted.
 
LOL. How life really is?
Sort of true. Homosexuals are real. They do have relationships. They've been around almost as long as mankind itself.
But, it is likely fairly equal between red and blue states.

The color of a state has no bearing on sexual preferences.
Ask anyone under the age of 65.
Of course homosexuals are real. Is it the job of the Disney studios to introduce impressionable children to the world of homosexuals or transgender people?
 
So you don’t have independent values, you reshape your worldview to oppose the left?
Hardly, I can name you several (or more) positions where I support the Democrats and oppose the Republican view. Let me know if you'd like a list.

Speaking of that, can you cite for me a few matters of consequence where you support Trump's position over the Democrats'?
 
This remark to the Sunday Times seems to have been the inciting statement:

“I mean, Superman is the story of America,” Gunn explained. “An immigrant that came from other places and populated the country, but for me it is mostly a story that says basic human kindness is a value and is something we have lost.”

He doesn't say anything about Superman's illegal status but he's arguably implying that his (Gunn's) POV re immigration is somehow kinder than anyone who opposes that position. It's a very confused statement, and it doesn't really have anything to do with the finished film. Maybe Gunn deludes himself that he made some sort of statement, but I don't think he did.
Thank you for proving my point.

The Right-Wing just invented the "illegal part", and seems triggered by the concept of kindness.

Game. Set. Match.
 
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See? He even includes immigrants and Muslims.
Swift-- not. Show where the character addresses what you were talking about when I challenged your falsehoods.

Since day one of the franchise. It's his entire backstory. He's an undocumented immigrant.
There's nothing in that excerpt about tolerating illegals. You're Just pushing more Mad Lib gaslighting with your specialized definition of "kindness."
 
Thank you for proving my point.

The Right-Wing just invented the "illegal part", and seems triggered by the concept of kindness.

Game. Set. Match.
Nope, what I showed is that Gunn bracketed the two ideas-- America was founded by immigrants, and America once possessed the virtue of kindness-- as if there was a necessary connection between the two. Just the basic correlation by itself breaks down as soon as anyone asks, "What about how kind those immigrants were to Native Americans?" That's a frequent Mad Lib talking point, and the reason I believe Gunn chose to play down the usual "evil colonists" narrative was that he wanted to suggest that in contemporary times we ought to be "kind" to all immigrants, even illegal ones, because that too is a well documented talking point of the Left. Gunn's experiences with Leftie cancellation probably made him too smart to go Full Metal Mad Lib while advertising his movie, but he followed up his confused remarks by acting like the Right has somehow come out against kindness, just like the OP here.

Gunn said that some audience members who watch the action movie through a political lens could have a negative reaction to it. Driving home that point, the Sunday Times’ headline is: “Some people will take offense at my new ‘Superman.'”

“Yes, it plays differently,” Gunn said. “But it’s about human kindness and obviously there will be jerks out there who are just not kind and will take it as offensive just because it is about kindness. But screw them.”


I give him credit for doing a much better job than anyone on this thread of muddying the issues. He managed to throw in little bits of Leftie sentiment but wasn't as in-your-face as a lot of MCU crap, so he's reaped (so far) a pretty decent box office.
 
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Nope, what I showed is that Gunn bracketed the two ideas-- America was founded by immigrants, and America once possessed the virtue of kindness-- as if there was a necessary connection between the two. Just the basic correlation by itself breaks down as soon as anyone asks, "What about how kind those immigrants were to Native Americans?" That's a frequent Mad Lib talking point, and the reason I believe Gunn chose to play down the usual "evil colonists" narrative was that he wanted to suggest that in contemporary times we ought to be "kind" to all immigrants, even illegal ones, because that too is a well documented talking point of the Left. Gunn's experiences with Leftie cancellation probably made him too smart to go Full Metal Mad Lib while advertising his movie, but he followed up his confused remarks by acting like the Right has somehow come out against kindness, just like the OP here.




I give him credit for doing a much better job than anyone on this thread of muddying the issues. He managed to throw in little bits of Leftie sentiment but wasn't as in-your-face as a lot of MCU crap, so he's reaped (so far) a pretty decent box office.
Indeed it is Game. Set. Match point. You are engaging in projection and assumption — stuff you should have learned to avoid in Kindergarten and in high school English class. More over, it confirms my original thesis: being kind and inclusive is not a bipartisan mindset.
 
Indeed it is Game. Set. Match point. You are engaging in projection and assumption — stuff you should have learned to avoid in Kindergarten and in high school English class. More over, it confirms my original thesis: being kind and inclusive is not a bipartisan mindset.
You're just bloviating to cover for the fact that you failed to analyze the shortcomings in Gunn's conflation.
 
Not that I think the Mad Lib posters here are really interested, but here's a detailed article on how and when the topic of immigration came up, however indirectly, in Superman comics.

 
Superman was a hit so it seems Gunn’s messaging resonated. It must be so weird to be at war with American staples like Superman. It’s certainly weird to watch.
 
But those adults don't have to buy those altered versions that are supposedly in line with "the nuances of the world."

Well, the comics of the 1950s were for kids. As the audience matured, so did the comics. And for the longest time, that audience appreciated the 'woke' and nuanced themes. It's only been in recent years, with the rise of the right-wing narratives, that nuance in comics has become a problem.

About ten years ago Vanity Fair ran a piece extolling a "young" writer named Kelly Sue McConnick, who blithely predicted that young women were going to become the new market for superhero comics and would support the medium. Guess what? Never happened, and characters like Female Captain Marvel have been launched in four or five new features over the years, and no one buys the series no matter who does it.

Female Captain Marvel has been around since the 1970s.
 
Hardly, I can name you several (or more) positions where I support the Democrats and oppose the Republican view. Let me know if you'd like a list.

Speaking of that, can you cite for me a few matters of consequence where you support Trump's position over the Democrats'?

Um, left-wing policies are good, and right-wing policies are trash. Adopting right-wing positions over left-wing positions does not make you reasonable or nuanced. Go down the list and show me where the right-wing are better than the left-wing on important policies.
 
IT flopped due to a non white Snow White? How do you explain Wicked’s success then?
I for one don't think SNOW WHITE flopped because of dumb-ass race-swapping, but because of dumb-ass ultra-feminism. It was obvious to many moviegoers that Disney rewrote the publicly accepted version of the folktale in order to subject audiences to feminism lectures. So no one went to see if, any more than scads of female viewers wanted to look at that "female-led" train wreck THE MARVELS. It is an interesting question as to how WICKED may have succeeded with conservative audiences. Lacking any hard data, I would guess that WICKED concealed its wokeness well enough that a lot of people just said, "oh, it's just an alternate telling of WIZARD OF OZ from the witch's POV." And of course a lot of people on both sides of the fence can be-- though not always-- lured into the theater by something that has established street-cred--which WICKED had and Disney's "woke SNOW" did not have.
 
This is the Superman that right-wingers like. The good 'ol days.

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the-one-where-superman-is-a-horrible-boss-comic-book-series-photo-u1
 
Well, the comics of the 1950s were for kids. As the audience matured, so did the comics. And for the longest time, that audience appreciated the 'woke' and nuanced themes. It's only been in recent years, with the rise of the right-wing narratives, that nuance in comics has become a problem.

One can cherry pick Lib messages in Superman or in any popular comics. and one can do the same for Con messages. There is no support for some monolithic Liberal consciousness that pervaded all Superman comics until "recent years."
Female Captain Marvel has been around since the 1970s.
The character who now bears the name was a support-character from the late sixties, Carol Danvers. Marvel changed her into "Ms Marvel" as an adjunct to their male Captain Marvel, but they both flopped and were cancelled. A couple of other characters used the name for a while so that the company could hold on to the trademark, and then there was a push that made the Danvers character the new Captain Marvel. Despite all attempts to push her as the new face of Marvel Feminism, the character has not sold well in that form either. I have not read those stories so I can't say how much the failure stems from bad writing, but that would be my guess as to why a character who's now had two feature movies can't make a buck in the comics biz.
 
IT flopped due to a non white Snow White? How do you explain Wicked’s success then?
Perhaps in the eyes of a global audience, it is more important for the audience to see a white Snow White than a black Wicked Witch.
 
This is the Superman that right-wingers like. The good 'ol days.

the-one-where-superman-commits-the-perfect-murder-comic-book-series-photo-u1

the-one-where-superman-is-a-horrible-boss-comic-book-series-photo-u1
Cute but insubstantial.
 
Perhaps in the eyes of a global audience, it is more important for the audience to see a white Snow White than a black Wicked Witch.
Disagree, for the reasons stated. Also, though one can cIaim that "Being Green" is the same as "Being Black," which may be the message of the book that I've not read, WICKED could've succeeded with a White actress in Greenface.
 
One can cherry pick Lib messages in Superman or in any popular comics. and one can do the same for Con messages. There is no support for some monolithic Liberal consciousness that pervaded all Superman comics until "recent years."

Jesus was also a right-wing conservative. 🤣🤣

The character who now bears the name was a support-character from the late sixties, Carol Danvers.

I'm talking about the Black Female Captain Marvel. Ms. Marvel existed during the time of the male Captain Marvel, who died of cancer. The black female took over his name.

Marvel changed her into "Ms Marvel" as an adjunct to their male Captain Marvel, but they both flopped and were cancelled.

The male Captain Marvel died was killed in the 1980s (my mistake, not 1970s) and Monica Rambeau took over the name. God forbid such a thing happened under MAGA. A black afro'd female? OMG.

A couple of other characters used the name for a while so that the company could hold on to the trademark, and then there was a push that made the Danvers character the new Captain Marvel.

Seemed like a natural progression of the Ms. Marvel character, who was a United States Airforce Captain. Captain Marvel died in the 1982. It wasn't a decision by the Obama Administration.

Despite all attempts to push her as the new face of Marvel Feminism, the character has not sold well in that form either. I have not read those stories so I can't say how much the failure stems from bad writing, but that would be my guess as to why a character who's now had two feature movies can't make a buck in the comics biz.

Comics in general aren't selling well compared to what they were in the 1990s. It's not because they are more woke or feminist. Comics are way too expensive and the audience is garbage.
 
Perhaps in the eyes of a global audience, it is more important for the audience to see a white Snow White than a black Wicked Witch.
So then how do you explain wicked's success since you're using made up anecdotal bullshit?
 
Disagree, for the reasons stated. Also, though one can cIaim that "Being Green" is the same as "Being Black," which may be the message of the book that I've not read, WICKED could've succeeded with a White actress in Greenface.
So a movie being woke no longer counts because reasons?
 
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