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[W:55] Tulsi Gabbard Releases Evidence Of ‘Years-Long Coup’ On Trump

bubbabgone said:
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GrabieNews??? You can't be serious "Appears" to admit that Obama had directed him to go after Trump. If going after the Russians is equal to going after Trump, I think you may have a bit of a messaging problem. Are the Russians and Trump the same? If you pursue one, you're also pursuing the other? And the quote they choose to highlight is that Clapper was mainly concerned about the threat the Russians posed to our nation's "political fabric." He didn't 'admit' any such thing. You know what? Any Director of the CIA or NSA should be concerned about Russia or China engaging in overt activities designed to rend our nation's political fabric. That's your job. And what are the things Russia had sought to exploit in 2016? They sought to sow social and political division, create distrust of our national institutions, and undermine faith in the integrity of our elections. And what is it Moscow Gabby is more concerned about? Echoing and reinforcing the Russian propaganda that we can't trust our institutions and elections. Our political and democratic fabric. Why is she doing this? Two reasons to get back her boss's good graces after having released an intelligence assessment of the US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities that didn't quite match that of her boss. A new damage report, BTW, pretty much backs up the previous one. Secondly, to distract from the Epstein files controversy. Tulsi had parrotted Moscow's talking points before, and along with Bondi and her boss, is continuing to further Russia's goal of sowing division and distrust. If you listen closely enough, you can hear the clinking of vodka shot glasses in the Kremlin toasting the incredible success of their 2016 election interference operation. An operation that continues to pay dividends nearly a decade later.
bubbabgone said:
You're still wrong.

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No, you're absolutely wrong. The instructions Obama gave were to develop a by-the-book counterintelligence assessment, compiling all the reports out there, put them all together into one document that Congress can review.
 
OpportunityCost said:
They changed the intelligence briefing.
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Of course. Were they supposed to ignore everything they had learned and seen confirmed in the month leading up to December 9? They had seen lots more examples and confirmations. Why would Obama change the assessment that it wasn't likely the Russians could change ballots or tabulation. He didn't change that. Why would Obama change the correct assessment that Russia was interfering for Trump? Because the evidence was convincing. Do you claim that nothing was discovered or learned or confirmed after September? That would be in error. In October they were still investigating and Obama insisted that the ICA was clear about what Putin wanted. The ICA doesn't say anything about trump or the campaign.


The aspect that Obama demanded was justified by his constitutional obligation to defend against foreign influence. He demanded that the report reflected what we know that Russia did and what it tried to do. His demand was that they be more explicit, articulate the problem, and clarify the reason why this is a threat. Three years later Mueller echoed the warning much more convincingly.

The people deserve to know and Obama told Americans the truth.


Russia attempted a large-scale campaign to interfere in the election for Trump.
  • Putin Ordered Campaign To Influence US Election
  • Russian Campaign Was Multifaceted
  • Influence Effort Was Boldest Yet in the US
  • Election Operation Signals “New Normal” in Russian Influence Efforts

That was in the ICA and they were right.


OpportunityCost said:
It states that outright. As for the dossier being oppo, when was that published in the media? I already know, I just wondered if you did.
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It was published on BuzzFeed,... wasn't it?
Neither Crossfire Hurricane or the Dossier made any difference after September.
 
Athanasius68 said:
That was in Jan 2017.
That was not story he told back in the spring of 2016.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The FBI/US Intelligence didn't become aware of Papadopoulos's conversation with the Australian diplomats until July 27 of 2016. Australia contacted US intelligence the day after WikiLeaks released the first tranche of emails, the day before. That's when they realized that Papadopoulos was aware of the hacked emails well before the hacking of the DNC had been publicly announced. What happened to Mr Mifsud? He hasn't been seen or heard from ever since, and I suspect Putin has ensured that he never will be.
 
soap box said:
Of course. Were they supposed to ignore everything they had learned and seen confirmed in the month leading up to December 9? They had seen lots more examples and confirmations. Why would Obama change the assessment that it wasn't likely the Russians could change ballots or tabulation. He didn't change that. Why would Obama change the correct assessment that Russia was interfering for Trump? Because the evidence was convincing. Do you claim that nothing was discovered or learned or confirmed after September? That would be in error. In October they were still investigating and Obama insisted that the ICA was clear about what Putin wanted. The ICA doesn't say anything about trump or the campaign.


The aspect that Obama demanded was justified by his constitutional obligation to defend against foreign influence. He demanded that the report reflected what we know that Russia did and what it tried to do. His demand was that they be more explicit, articulate the problem, and clarify the reason why this is a threat. Three years later Mueller echoed the warning much more convincingly.

The people deserve to know and Obama told Americans the truth.


Russia attempted a large-scale campaign to interfere in the election for Trump.
  • Putin Ordered Campaign To Influence US Election
  • Russian Campaign Was Multifaceted
  • Influence Effort Was Boldest Yet in the US
  • Election Operation Signals “New Normal” in Russian Influence Efforts

That was in the ICA and they were right.




It was published on BuzzFeed,... wasn't it?
Neither Crossfire Hurricane or the Dossier made any difference after September.
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There was no evidence Putin interfered for Trump in particular. That is part of what got changed in the document. Trying once again to get you to see the facts, there was no Russian interference guided towards one candidate or the other, the goal was chaos and taking advantage of the new administration whoever that might be. There was no truth being told. Its was a psy op from the Clinton campaign that ran through the FBI.

Thats a joke, right? The dossier was used for 3 of the 4 renewals of the FISA warrants. It was a key element in Mueller's organization. Its allegations were treated as fact. It didnt break who paid for the dossier until Oct of 2017 and it wasn't fully repudiated until IG Horowitz released his report in 2019.
 
OpportunityCost said:
There was no evidence Putin interfered for Trump in particular. That is part of what got changed in the document. Trying once again to get you to see the facts, there was no Russian interference guided towards one candidate or the other, the goal was chaos and taking advantage of the new administration whoever that might be. There was no truth being told. Its was a psy op from the Clinton campaign that ran through the FBI.

Thats a joke, right? The dossier was used for 3 of the 4 renewals of the FISA warrants. It was a key element in Mueller's organization. Its allegations were treated as fact. It didnt break who paid for the dossier until Oct of 2017 and it wasn't fully repudiated until IG Horowitz released his report in 2019.
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so emails from the RNC were hacked and released too?
 
OpportunityCost said:
There was no evidence Putin interfered for Trump in particular. That is part of what got changed in the document. Trying once again to get you to see the facts, there was no Russian interference guided towards one candidate or the other, the goal was chaos and taking advantage of the new administration whoever that might be. There was no truth being told. Its was a psy op from the Clinton campaign that ran through the FBI.

Thats a joke, right? The dossier was used for 3 of the 4 renewals of the FISA warrants. It was a key element in Mueller's organization. Its allegations were treated as fact. It didnt break who paid for the dossier until Oct of 2017 and it wasn't fully repudiated until IG Horowitz released his report in 2019.
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He has no interest in that. He's been trolling in these threads and trying to derail them.
 
Atomic Kid said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. The FBI/US Intelligence didn't become aware of Papadopoulos's conversation with the Australian diplomats until July 27 of 2016. Australia contacted US intelligence the day after WikiLeaks released the first tranche of emails, the day before. That's when they realized that Papadopoulos was aware of the hacked emails well before the hacking of the DNC had been publicly announced. What happened to Mr Mifsud? He hasn't been seen or heard from ever since, and I suspect Putin has ensured that he never will be.
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The affidavit was sworn out in Jan 2017. That's when PapaD was first interviewed by the FBI about his knowledge about all this.
This was about six months after Crossfire Hurricane and after six months of stories about emails.

But we also know what Downer told the FBI back in the summer of 2016.

Because the actual interview has been released. And which Schiff had, but did not release.

And in that interview with Downer, he says nothing about emails.
This dovetails nicely with what Mifsud told Muellers investigators ie that he never told PapaD about emails.

The whole 'Trump conspired with Russia' story that so transfixed the country was built, at best, upon incompetence, or worse, upon malice.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
There was no evidence Putin interfered for Trump in particular. That is part of what got changed in the document. Trying once again to get you to see the facts, there was no Russian interference guided towards one candidate or the other, the goal was chaos and taking advantage of the new administration whoever that might be. There was no truth being told. Its was a psy op from the Clinton campaign that ran through the FBI.
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Everybody knows Putin wanted trump to be president, and Putin did whatever he could to support him. Obama and the world is right about that.

OpportunityCost said:
Thats a joke, right? The dossier was used for 3 of the 4 renewals of the FISA warrants. It was a key element in Mueller's organization. Its allegations were treated as fact. It didnt break who paid for the dossier until Oct of 2017 and it wasn't fully repudiated until IG Horowitz released his report in 2019.
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You'll have to quote something that makes you think it was a "key element" in Mueller's organization. I'm asking because you didn't refer to anything after September 2016.
 
At least 8 members of Trump's 2016 election campaign had Russia connections.
 
Atomic Kid said:
GrabieNews??? You can't be serious "Appears" to admit that Obama had directed him to go after Trump. If going after the Russians is equal to going after Trump, I think you may have a bit of a messaging problem. Are the Russians and Trump the same? If you pursue one, you're also pursuing the other? And the quote they choose to highlight is that Clapper was mainly concerned about the threat the Russians posed to our nation's "political fabric." He didn't 'admit' any such thing. You know what? Any Director of the CIA or NSA should be concerned about Russia or China engaging in overt activities designed to rend our nation's political fabric. That's your job. And what are the things Russia had sought to exploit in 2016? They sought to sow social and political division, create distrust of our national institutions, and undermine faith in the integrity of our elections. And what is it Moscow Gabby is more concerned about? Echoing and reinforcing the Russian propaganda that we can't trust our institutions and elections. Our political and democratic fabric. Why is she doing this? Two reasons to get back her boss's good graces after having released an intelligence assessment of the US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities that didn't quite match that of her boss. A new damage report, BTW, pretty much backs up the previous one. Secondly, to distract from the Epstein files controversy. Tulsi had parrotted Moscow's talking points before, and along with Bondi and her boss, is continuing to further Russia's goal of sowing division and distrust. If you listen closely enough, you can hear the clinking of vodka shot glasses in the Kremlin toasting the incredible success of their 2016 election interference operation. An operation that continues to pay dividends nearly a decade later.

No, you're absolutely wrong. The instructions Obama gave were to develop a by-the-book counterintelligence assessment, compiling all the reports out there, put them all together into one document that Congress can review.
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But leave out the intel that don't support the preferred narrative.
 
soap box said:
Everybody knows Putin wanted trump to be president, and Putin did whatever he could to support him. Obama and the world is right about that.


You'll have to quote something that makes you think it was a "key element" in Mueller's organization. I'm asking because you didn't refer to anything after September 2016.
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They were warrants that allowed spying on the Trump campaign. How do you think they gathered information on the campaign?

Everyone did not know that Putin interfered with both candidates.
 
ncguy said:
so emails from the RNC were hacked and released too?
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If the Russian troll farm was courting BLM, do you really think they were disseminating messages favorable to Trump?
 
bubbabgone said:
You tell me.
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He ordered that the conclusions they reached after repeated confirmations from continual examples of Russian meddling that the ICA needs to know explicitly, directly and completely what Putin wanted.
 
trixare4kids said:
Why read it when it's easier for the anti-Trumps to embellish, weaving some webs. :rolleyes:
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Have you noticed that none of their commentary here will acknowledge that the "intel" they like and stress had been either rejected or dismissed as not meeting "tradecraft standards" by most but the crooked Agency heads?
 
soap box said:
He ordered that the conclusions they reached after repeated confirmations from continual examples of Russian meddling that the ICA needs to know explicitly, directly and completely what Putin wanted.
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see #2096.
And by happenstance, you just confirmed it.
 
bubbabgone said:
Have you noticed that none of their commentary here will acknowledge that the "intel" they like and stress had been either rejected or dismissed as not meeting "tradecraft standards" by most but the crooked Agency heads?
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Yes, I've noticed that they completely missed that their beloved intel that they profess to LOVE, was completely ignored by Obama and his lot. If Trump ignored his intel reports they'd be pulling their hair out.
 
OpportunityCost said:
They were warrants that allowed spying on the Trump campaign. How do you think they gathered information on the campaign?

Everyone did not know that Putin interfered with both candidates.
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The posts attributed to Clinton are designed to offend independent voters, and to embarrass Clinton supporters.

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This is an example. Putin did not engage in any support whatsoever for Clinton.

Clinton humiliated Putin in 2011, Putin believed she wanted regime change in Russia and that would mean Putin himself being kicked out. It's an absurd and stupid lie to think Putin supported Clinton.
 
bubbabgone said:
see #2096.
And by happenstance, you just confirmed it.
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What makes you think they weren't looking at the intel to trace the propaganda back to Russia? What makes you think they weren't able to see their own Intel and write it in the report?
 
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