[W: #513] President Trump Announces 25 Percent Tariff on all Mexican and Canadian Imports, Effective January 20th – Until Border is Secure

[Grand Mal]

Mexico can stop the cartels getting guns anytime they want.

So the American government can stop American gangs getting guns?

The Mexican government can just stop selling guns to the cartels.

How can guns be kept out of the hands of American gangsters?

About 30% of all weapons imported into Mexico by Mexico ends up in cartel hands. Purge the corrupt officials, problem solved.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/legal-us-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cartels/

 

[anatta]

So no illegal immigrants were in the US before Biden?

please do not ask me stupid questions. It's never a zero sum game. The question is how to best get Mexico and canada to cooperate
on cutting the flow of migrants.. REMAIN worked before, but now canada is letting significant numbers thru as well

I dont blame those countries. It's much easier to just give migrants a work permit and pass them thru to the USA
But they've been able to significantly cut the flow before - no reason they wont again with pressure of tariffs ( like last time)

 

[anatta]

Who's plan? Yours? Trumps?

whom do you think? Is everyone on stupid pills tonight?

 

[Beruit 1978]

But you know what would really help? If the US cracked down on the trafficking of guns to Mexico.



Wait, so you want the Mexican government to deny the right of legal gun owners in Mexico because of the cartels. Do you apply that same logic for weapons sales here to prevent crime? Per your comment, it's 30% of weapons imported into Mexico that ends up in cartel hands. This means there are other ways cartels are obtaining weapons from the US.

You're talking nonsense. Mexico has no Second Amendment. Even if Mexico had a Second, it wouldn't make it legal for corrupt officials to sell government property to criminals. If Mexico doesn't want cartels to have guns, Mexico shouldn't have sold guns to cartels. Then, there is also that 'Fast and Furious' fiasco, where Democrats deliberately sold illegal weapons to cartel members. But, somehow, good Democrats will also blame that on Trump.

 

[US&THEM]

All the Left has to do is read Trumps book The Art of the Deal to know that Trump will impose a penalty without offering a deal so the that the other side comes to him with an offer, the offer usually being better than what he would have asked for with an up-front deal.

Trump never paid and sued everyone, well and cheated on every wife. Chapter 1 make everyone think you’re smart and super rich, while you grift.

 

[Parrish]

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There is another caravan of illegal aliens approaching the U.S. southern border through Mexico. President-elect Donald Trump wants the Mexican government to stop this nonsense immediately.​

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To put teeth into his demand, President Trump has announced a 25% tariff on all imported goods from Mexico and Canada until they secure their side of the border and stop illegal aliens from getting here.​

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President Trump Announces 25 Percent Tariff on all Mexican and Canadian Imports, Effective January 20th - Until Border is Secure - The Last Refuge

There is another caravan of illegal aliens approaching the U.S. southern border through Mexico. President-elect Donald Trump wants the Mexican government to stop this nonsense immediately. To put teeth into his demand, President Trump has announced a 25% tariff on all imported goods from Mexico...

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So...there you have it. The hammer is raised and is poised to fall. It's now up to Mexico and Canada to act to avoid getting hit.

Our top trade partner?

 

[justoneman]

Keep laughing. I'll just wait.

OK.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Beruit 1978]

So the American government can stop American gangs getting guns?

How can guns be kept out of the hands of American gangsters?

Since you ask about criminals getting guns, a 'zero tolerance' would work nicely. Criminal picks up a gun, he's shot. Criminal picks up a gun again, he's shot. Rinse and repeat - surviving criminals will take note, and simply not pick up guns.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You're talking nonsense.

That would be you since you're leaving out the main way cartels are getting weapons from the US, which is through smuggling.

Mexico has no Second Amendment.

Their right to own weapons for security and safety is in their constitution.

Even if Mexico had a Second, it wouldn't make it legal for corrupt officials to sell government property to criminals. If Mexico doesn't want cartels to have guns, Mexico shouldn't have sold guns to cartels. Then, there is also that 'Fast and Furious' fiasco, where Democrats deliberately sold illegal weapons to cartel members. But, somehow, good Democrats will also blame that on Trump.

So we're going to ignore the massive smuggling enterprise which constitutes how Mexican cartels mainly obtains their weapons?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Since you ask about criminals getting guns, a 'zero tolerance' would work nicely. Criminal picks up a gun, he's shot. Criminal picks up a gun again, he's shot. Rinse and repeat - surviving criminals will take note, and simply not pick up guns.

That's almost as good as having a "concept of a plan".

 

[Beruit 1978]

That would be you since you're leaving out the main way cartels are getting weapons from the US, which is through smuggling.


Their right to own weapons for security and safety is in their constitution.


So we're going to ignore the massive smuggling enterprise which constitutes how Mexican cartels mainly obtains their weapons?

A few posts back, I offered a citation for criminal cartels getting their weapons through their own government. It's time for you to cite some sources for your . . . uhhhh . . . opinions.

About 'self defense' in Mexico? https://pulsenewsmexico.com/2021/12...ntrys-own-version-of-a-stand-your-ground-law/ That quite effectively blows one of your opinions out of the water.

 

[beefheart]

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There is another caravan of illegal aliens approaching the U.S. southern border through Mexico. President-elect Donald Trump wants the Mexican government to stop this nonsense immediately.​

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To put teeth into his demand, President Trump has announced a 25% tariff on all imported goods from Mexico and Canada until they secure their side of the border and stop illegal aliens from getting here.​

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President Trump Announces 25 Percent Tariff on all Mexican and Canadian Imports, Effective January 20th - Until Border is Secure - The Last Refuge

There is another caravan of illegal aliens approaching the U.S. southern border through Mexico. President-elect Donald Trump wants the Mexican government to stop this nonsense immediately. To put teeth into his demand, President Trump has announced a 25% tariff on all imported goods from Mexico...

theconservativetreehouse.com

So...there you have it. The hammer is raised and is poised to fall. It's now up to Mexico and Canada to act to avoid getting hit.

What utter bullshit, and you believe it.

I will be driving across the border on Friday. You have never done that, you are too busy pushing propaganda bullshit.

 

[beefheart]

 

[ElChupacabra]

A few posts back, I offered a citation for criminal cartels getting their weapons through their own government. It's time for you to cite some sources for your . . . uhhhh . . . opinions.

You did, which accounted for 30% of the weapons. This means there's another 70% of ways cartels are getting weapons.

About 'self defense' in Mexico? https://pulsenewsmexico.com/2021/12...ntrys-own-version-of-a-stand-your-ground-law/ That quite effectively blows one of your opinions out of the water.

It does not, and is actually not even relevant to the point about Mexicans having the right to own weapons.

 

[CANON]

You're talking nonsense. Mexico has no Second Amendment. Even if Mexico had a Second, it wouldn't make it legal for corrupt officials to sell government property to criminals. If Mexico doesn't want cartels to have guns, Mexico shouldn't have sold guns to cartels. Then, there is also that 'Fast and Furious' fiasco, where Democrats deliberately sold illegal weapons to cartel members. But, somehow, good Democrats will also blame that on Trump.

That should become a new meme. It's basically:




Jersey Fried Chicken, Democrats supplying guns to the cartels? This is how pizza shops get shot up with loons looking for pedo's.

 

[justoneman]

Well I guess that Mexico needs to stop the border incursions, or they will need to bury all those tomatoes instead of selling them.

 

[George50]

Well I guess that Mexico needs to stop the border incursions, or they will need to bury all those tomatoes instead of selling them.

Why would you think that? Americans are just going to pay 25% more for their tomatoes. It’s the American consumers who will be hurt.

 

[Pyrite]

Why would you think that? Americans are just going to pay 25% more for their tomatoes. It’s the American consumers who will be hurt.

Sure, we know this is what will happen. Chances are trump and is handlers know it, too. But they don't have to care, because

1) inflation won't affect their standard of living, and

2) MAGA won't blame trump's tariffs, it will blame whomever Republicans tell them is to blame: out-of-power Democrats

 

[beefheart]

Well I guess that Mexico needs to stop the border incursions, or they will need to bury all those tomatoes instead of selling them.

Such ignorance.

Just wait.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Yep. Tariffs are used for leverage. The ball's now in their court.

1. How many undocumented immigrants cross the Canadian border rather than vice versa?

2. What do you want Canada to do, build a wall on its border?

3. Do you think no other country on Earth is allowed to have a manufacturing sector besides the US? Is anyone outside the US who has a manufacturing job stealing it from an American?

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Pyrite]

1. How many undocumented immigrants cross the Canadian border rather than vice versa?

2. What do you want Canada to do, build a wall on its border?

3. Do you think no other country on Earth is allowed to have a manufacturing sector besides the US? Is anyone outside the US who has a manufacturing job stealing it from an American?

Nah. Pay trump's administration to build a wall on the US side of the border.

There's no arguing with MAGA. As trump and his fellow Republican politicians know, MAGA simply denies inconvenient facts and accepts as reality whatever absurd disinformation the GOP provides.

 

[mike2810]

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Looks like you don't understand. Nobody is forcing you to buy Mexico's or Canada's goods.

Buy American!

If someone buys a Ford Bronco Sport manufactured in Mexico, is that buying American? How about GMC pickups built in Mexico?

Looks like some models of Fords and GMC are going to get more expensive for Americans wanting to buy a vehicle from an American company.

 

[Beruit 1978]

What utter bullshit, and you believe it.

I will be driving across the border on Friday. You have never done that, you are too busy pushing propaganda bullshit.

I certainly can't say whether Mycroft has ever crossed the border. But, I have crossed the border many times. My son and I played in the Rio Grande with a bunch of kids, and we had no idea which kids were US and which were Mexican nationals. I've also sat in out of the way places, and watched the cartels shepherd illegals across the border. I don't know how anyone can read about fifty illegals smothering to death in a hot tractor trailer, then pretend that there is no crisis at the border. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...d-san-antonio-texas-gov-abbott-says-rcna35627 Do you have no compassion for those killed by the cartels? That was not a one-off incident, either. Other tractor trailers have been stopped, with less catastrophic results. Hey, it's good when only two or five or ten die in that hot trailer, instead of fifty, right? I've worked with the illegals - one lady that I really like and respect a lot will matter-of-factly recite the routine of paying the cartel, then waiting until a coyote calls you, to tell you it's time to go. She is moderately wealthy, and has connections, so her risk is lower than most of the poor peons who are transported across the border. No money? No connections? The coyotes just don't give a damn whether you live or die. Those are the facts of life on the border.

Maybe you have crossed the border more than most people. I suspect you only cross the border at approved ports of entry. You won't see the horrors out in the desert from a port of entry.