[W:51] 7 Dead in Chaos at Kabul Airport as Afghans Desperately Try to Flee the Country

[RedAkston]

Moderator's Warning:

The topic - stick to it. Personal attacks and over-the-top flaming and baiting - knock it off.

 

[VySky]

Not one of you gives a single benighted **** about the Afghani people, those so-called "muslim terrorists" you accused Obama of palling around with and being one of. Not one.

The most you can say is that he should have kept remaining troops around embassy and airport until all civs were out of the way, which pales in comparison to what you can say about Trump. As a Trumipst, you have nothing to say. Let us, the people who voted Biden, criticize him for that part of the pullout.

It's my place to say that, not yours. If Trump did his May pullout, it'd be the same damn thing. You'd be praising him for it, just like you would praise his ability to fart at C-sharp had he done it on live TV. You have nothing to say.




And if you did, the most you could say is piddling compared to what I can rightfully say against Trump.

But Trump…..Trump……Trump……Trump…..Trump…..Trump……. LMAO

 

[VySky]

I thought trump signed a peace agreement with the Taliban?

But yeah, this departure was handled very poorly. The outcome was inevitable though. And the optics are horrific.

I guess now we know why no other President pulled the plug. Probably a sign Biden has zero intention of running for a 2nd term. Thankfully.

Everyone is on Biden for hosing this up. It was predictable

 

[sanman]

 

[Mr Person]

But Trump…..Trump……Trump……Trump…..Trump…..Trump……. LMAO

Wonderful point. What does it have to do with Trumpists not caring about the Afghanis' plight and only focusing on attacking Biden?

 

[sanman]

Wonderful point. What does it have to do with Trumpists not caring about the Afghanis' plight and only focusing on attacking Biden?

Straw man - patriots are focused on a honorable exit, and are attacking Biden for his incompetence and lack of concern. The guy went back to vacationing at Camp David, even after taking a moment to speak on this newly erupted crisis.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Yes.

Unspeakable suffering.

And think of the Vietnamese and Cubans who were at least able to put out to sea in a bid for freedom from their horrible oppressors.

When I saw the pathetic scenes of people running in the streets of Kabul and the pandemonium at the airport, I went to YouTube to watch the Three Degrees sing "When will I see you again?" and I cried like a baby, for many family members will never see one another again after the Taliban monsters get through with them.

Well the lack of sea access may limit the number of “refugees” our neoliberal masters will try to force on society. It’s just not fair that men who wouldn’t fire a shot in Kabul’s defense can’t get massive welfare to live for free in American cities to the detriment of actual Americans after all.

 

[Geoist]

Biden specifically went against the advice of the US intelligence community

You heard Dear Leader. Biden couldn't stop the process.

 

[sanman]

Well the lack of sea access may limit the number of “refugees” our neoliberal masters will try to force on society. It’s just not fair that men who wouldn’t fire a shot in Kabul’s defense can’t get massive welfare to live for free in American cities to the detriment of actual Americans after all.

Taliban now control the only road to the Kabul airport. They're currently allowing foreigners to reach the airport and leave, but native Afghans are being blocked from leaving.
Like the Soviets occupying Berlin and like all good revolutionaries, they don't want their "newly liberated" people to flee from the revolutionary utopia.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Taliban now control the only road to the Kabul airport. They're currently allowing foreigners to reach the airport and leave, but native Afghans are being blocked from leaving.
Like the Soviets occupying Berlin and like all good revolutionaries, they don't want their "newly liberated" people to flee from the revolutionary utopia.

No, it’s not at all like that. I think In the transition they want to punish collaborators. Norway didn’t just allow Quisling to skip the country.

 

[Cardinal]

Biden specifically went against the advice of the US intelligence community - the same community who he claims to have valued so much when it was in his interest to say so.
Biden also specifically went against the advice of the Pentagon, and the State Dept.

He has created a giant train wreck with his reckless and inept execution. Total lack of preparation and foresight.

All he and his supporters want to do is keep name-dropping Trump, in order to deflect blame away from their bungling.

What was the advice of the intelligence community, the state department and the pentagon. Not your personal summary, please. I’d like links to real sources.

 

[Cardinal]

Taliban now control the only road to the Kabul airport. They're currently allowing foreigners to reach the airport and leave, but native Afghans are being blocked from leaving.
Like the Soviets occupying Berlin and like all good revolutionaries, they don't want their "newly liberated" people to flee from the revolutionary utopia.

As bad as this is, the Taliban has acted with relative restraint. If they had been ISIS this would have been really bad.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

What was the advice of the intelligence community, the state department and the pentagon. Not your personal summary, please. I’d like links to real sources.

This is leftist code speak for “I’m ignorant but an expert and I won’t accept any source you give me”

don’t waste time trying to source for him, he’s given himself an out to ignore any source provided

 

[yankintx]

Video of refugees rushing C 17 to leave country. More Biden created chaos and embarrassment.

PICTURED: 640 Afghan refugees who ran onto US evacuation jet in Kabul

The US has so far flown at least two C-17 cargo jets out of Kabul and more flights are expected throughout Monday night and later this week despite chaos on the ground on Monday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

They are not refugees. They are Afghani men who are attempting to cut and run instead of fighting for Democracy.

 

[yankintx]

On the contrary - the Afghan people were prisoners of the Taliban extremists before, and now they and their children are prisoners of the extremist Taliban yet again.

It's you and your side who don't give a shit about the lives of Muslims, because you're supporting Biden for ****ing them over. Trump wanted an organized withdrawal not a wholesale surrender.
We can see the horror show that's now unfolding on Biden's watch, and rather than taking responsibility for it, he's just ducking and deflecting blame onto Trump.
You don't care about anybody else but your political masters like Senile Joe Biden. This guy is bringing Americans and the world their most humiliating moments ever.





Your asshole president has ran away back to his Camp David retreat, and Whitehouse spokesperson Jen Psaki has taken the week off!
They've ran away - just like Afghan president Ghani.
And the poor terrified people on the ground are now left in the lurch, with no one to look to for help.
This is worse than the Fall of Saigon. Did anybody from the Whitehouse take the week off when that happened? Nope - things have now fallen to a new low.

Its up to the Afghani people to defend there own Democracy.

 

[sanman]

 

[Cardinal]

I thought trump signed a peace agreement with the Taliban?

But yeah, this departure was handled very poorly. The outcome was inevitable though. And the optics are horrific.

I guess now we know why no other President pulled the plug. Probably a sign Biden has zero intention of running for a 2nd term. Thankfully.

Remember the gigantic disaster that resulted from trump’s unplanned exit from Syria? I’ll tell you didn’t remember: voters in 2020, less than two years later.

So republicans can entertain themselves as much as they like with these threads, but by 2024 this topic is going to be older than the Pyramids.

 

[Mustachio]

This whole thing is pretty sad and disturbing to watch. I think moments like this should unite Americans but they only cause further division. The Trump administration buddied up with the Taliban and now that they’re taking over the country it’s a given that the current administration takes the flack for it. While my initial thoughts are for the Americans such as the journalist who are stuck there fearing for their lives it’s a raw deal for the Afghani people who we were flat out wrong to get involved with in the first place aside from humanitarian efforts that could’ve taken place and most certainly will after the initial chaos. On a Partisan note because apparently we cannot have this discussion without one - The last thread I posted in was about how Biden is a puppet “who does not make policy, he announces it.” It took only two days for him to be the sole individual charged with all military operations that have been in place and ongoing over the course of four presidential administrations. I just hope there is as little bloodshed as possible and we can help out in one way or another. Unfortunately it seems like whenever we do that, we wind up giving a lot of money to people who end up being the same individuals we are determined to violently crush after a few years pass.

I don’t mind seeing Biden get the blame for chaos that is happening right now (blame anyone you want, I won’t argue) but in the grand scheme of things it seems to be unwarranted and reactionary. I think this is just what happens when we support these massive military invasions. Too late now. Be compassionate and reflect on the kind of policy you supported in the past. If you are appalled by the results perhaps it’s time to think differently

 

[sanman]

These are genuine photos of female CNN reporter, Clarissa Ward, who's now had to adjust her wardrobe in the new Afghanistan:

 

[yankintx]

Why are those Afghani men running and not fighting to protect Democracy?

 

[sanman]

Why are those Afghani men running and not fighting to protect Democracy?

Why did people flee ISIS in Syria, instead of fighting them? Because they'd be beheaded, burned alive, etc

Why are people fleeing California for red states, instead of standing their ground in California?

Fight or Flight Syndrome

 

[sanman]

 

[yankintx]

Why did people flee ISIS in Syria, instead of fighting them? Because they'd be beheaded, burned alive, etc

Why are people fleeing California for red states, instead of standing their ground in California?

Fight or Flight Syndrome

And you endorse flight?

I am very disapointed the Afghani military, and Afghani men in particular would rather flee than protect the Rights they gained in the last 20 years.

 

[Bodi]

Terrified Afghans desperate to flee their country from the advancing Taliban forces, clinging to the outside of a US military transport, plunging to their deaths as they fall off:




Biden and Blinken doing a heckuva job. They want a withdrawal much more memorable than the Fall of Saigon.

Do the Afghans not realize that hanging onto the outside of an airplane's fuselage by your fingertips and flying up to 30,000 feet is not a good idea?

 

[Bodi]

And you endorse flight?

I am very disapointed the Afghani military, and Afghani men in particular would rather flee than protect the Rights they gained in the last 20 years.

... Do they have no idea that Death Squads will be coming for them unless they join the Taliban? That their wives will be turned into slaves and that their daughters will be raped and turned into breeding chattel? Fighting and dying for your family is a better option than trying to run and hide and know that the worst is coming.