[W: #494] 2 people were killed and 28 wounded in a mass shooting at a Baltimore block party

[RF667799]

Does anyone else wonder if these shooters or those who defend the right to own weapons at all cost make the 2A more acceptable?
Every time I read about another shooting and then read the comments by gun zealots, I wish that amendment would be rewritten.

Yeah...us "gun zealots" try to appeal to rationality. Might be a mistake.

 

[Lovebug]

Yeah...us "gun zealots" try to appeal to rationality. Might be a mistake.

Dig a bit deeper into what I posted and we might get a productive conversation going. My post exceeded two words

 

[RF667799]

Dig a bit deeper into what I posted and we might get a productive conversation going. My post exceeded two words

Shootings and (unspecified comments) by "gun zealots" make you wish the 2nd Amendment would be re-written. Not terribly deep.

Do you wish it would be re-written to expand the understanding of the right and further protect it?

 

[Rich2018]

All that you would have to do is put those who commit gun violence in prison for decades. If it’s so ****ing important, and it is, then stop with the marshmallow soft punishment. Bone up and clean the streets. Increase all crimes involving the illegal use of a gun.

And for the record nothing is done because it’s leftists being killed by other leftists in areas controlled and run by leftists. The common denominator being “leftists”. I’m not using filth in an effort to turn over a new leaf.

And that would be AFTER they commit their gun violence (assuming that they survive - which many don't)

That's called "Locking the stable door after the horse has bolted".

 

[Chillfolks]

Does anyone else wonder if these shooters or those who defend the right to own weapons at all cost make the 2A more acceptable?
Every time I read about another shooting and then read the comments by gun zealots, I wish that amendment would be rewritten.

Not sure rewriting an amendment will change the people problem we are having.

 

[VySky]

The absence of them cuts down on their abuse.

O course if "them" are the criminals.

 

[jaeger19]

I disagree. It refers to guns getting in to the wrong hands, which seems to be very much about blaming the person rather than the gun.

It's perfectly reasonable to call for more action to prevent people getting in to the mindset and circumstances that lead to them doing this kind of thing (though simply shifting the entire responsibility on to parents isn't really a solution). And regardless of what is achieved on that aspect, there are always going to be some "wrong hands" out there (if only temporarily) so there is no good reason not to also call for more action to prevent those people getting such easy access to firearms.

Do you then support that anyone who is prohibited from buying firearms have it indicated on their drivers license and any state issued ID? ..

 

[Airyaman]

The quote below from article is a joke. Blames it on the guns and not the dirtbags who used them. It takes a person to misuse a gun. Keep putting these people away. We have more guns than those losers. I prefer having the guns around than the morons who use them to commit crimes

The consequence is not the guns fault but that of youth who today are being raised poorly.

Take a look parents.

You failed at your primary job. Raising decent children who can interact with society.

“ The violence marks yet another instance during which a celebration turned into a tragedy, with lives lost and others permanently altered. And it’s a reminder of the deadly consequences of firearms getting into the wrong hands, Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott said in the Sunday afternoon news conference.”

Is the USA the only country with bad parenting?

 

[jaeger19]

I don't see a problem with his statement at all. The kids involved in this were all teens, according to the PD. The part "firearms getting into the wrong hands" was spot on.

Since we have shown that no matter what laws are passed, or how strict, guns always seem to get into the hands of children. That tells me we have exhausted all the legal possibilities except for one.

Get rid of the ****ing guns, and we'll prevent a lot of these tragedies. I don't see any other way out of this. I am fully aware that conflicts with your sacred 2nd A.
I'm just stating my opinion. We can't just sit back and do nothing. All I ever hear you talk about is the parents. And I fully agree with all that. The problem is, you'll never change that. It's just an excuse to leave your guns alone.

And how do you propose " getting rid of the guns".?
What shall my wife use to defend herself if she is accosted by drug seekers when she comes out of one of our medical clinics at night?
What shall I use to stop predators from taking down one of my calves.
What shall I use for competition in sporting clays..or skeet or long range rifle or bullseye competition?

 

[Rich2018]

Not sure rewriting an amendment will change the people problem we are having.

But it will make certain ones less dangerous.

 

[HonestJoe]

Do you then support that anyone who is prohibited from buying firearms have it indicated on their drivers license and any state issued ID?

I don't know. I don't pretend to be an expert on the specifics and have only heard about that idea in brief passing. Instinctively it doesn't feel like the best solution, especially just on it's own, but if it can be shown to be effective without to many negative consequences, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.

The general point is that there is an obvious problem and that needs free and open consideration of the most effective ways to address it. If the most effective ways have negative consequences or difficulties, you can work out whether they're acceptable, can be mitigated or render that solution non-viable. The problem seems to be that you have a lot of people simply saying "No!" to anything, without any of that consideration even happening.

I also think you need at least as much focus in other areas, such as better (any!) community mental health care and positive intervention with troubled and vulnerable kids. Unfortunately, you seem to have a lot of the "No!" people with that to (some of them probably the same people).

 

[Rich2018]

Is the USA the only country with bad parenting?

It seems so
The USA must be the world leader in producing bad people.

 

[Daddyo]

Does anyone else wonder if these shooters or those who defend the right to own weapons at all cost make the 2A more acceptable?
Every time I read about another shooting and then read the comments by gun zealots, I wish that amendment would be rewritten.

Every time we pro gun PRO CONSTITUTION people hear another leftist bitching about another shooting while simultaneously bitching about mass incarceration and prison/bail reform, we want to vomit. You blame the gun. You blame the law. You blame society. When you should be looking in the mirror and blaming that person and of course the shooter.

I bet my paycheck that the shooter/s are recidivists that should have been in jail for another crime.

 

[Lovebug]

Every time we pro gun PRO CONSTITUTION people hear another leftist bitching about another shooting while simultaneously bitching about mass incarceration and prison/bail reform, we want to vomit. You blame the gun. You blame the law. You blame society. When you should be looking in the mirror and blaming that person and of course the shooter.

I bet my paycheck that the shooter/s are recidivists that should have been in jail for another crime.

No, just asking a question which no one wants to answer.

 

[j brown's body]

Does anyone else wonder if these shooters or those who defend the right to own weapons at all cost make the 2A more acceptable?
Every time I read about another shooting and then read the comments by gun zealots, I wish that amendment would be rewritten.

It's obsolete.

 

[Daddyo]

No, just asking a question which no one wants to answer.

Not a very good question.

 

[Rich2018]

It's obsolete.

Has been for 200 years or more.

 

[jaeger19]

I don't know. I don't pretend to be an expert on the specifics and have only heard about that idea in brief passing. Instinctively it doesn't feel like the best solution, especially just on it's own, but if it can be shown to be effective without to many negative consequences, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.

The general point is that there is an obvious problem and that needs free and open consideration of the most effective ways to address it. If the most effective ways have negative consequences or difficulties, you can work out whether they're acceptable, can be mitigated or render that solution non-viable. The problem seems to be that you have a lot of people simply saying "No!" to anything, without any of that consideration even happening.

I also think you need at least as much focus in other areas, such as better (any!) community mental health care and positive intervention with troubled and vulnerable kids. Unfortunately, you seem to have a lot of the "No!" people with that to (some of them probably the same people).

Well I agree.
But ask yourself this..
In three of the mass shootings. In fact most mass shootings..
The mental health of the person was seriously in question.
In fact in two instances a social worker had been previously called to evaluate that person prior to the shooting.

Now why do you think the topic of discussion is .
1. Why I should be allowed to keep my firearms.
2. Why should I not have to have a background check on my friend when he borrows my shotgun for a weekend skeet shoot and why don't u have to have a background check to get it back. ?
.
Why are these the topic of discussions instead of the quality and access of mental health this country. ??

I would submit that it's be because of the anti gun crowd.

 

[HonestJoe]

Why are these the topic of discussions instead of the quality and access of mental health this country. ??

Why not "as well" rather than "instead"? Remember, we're just talking discussions of possibilities here.

I would submit that it's be because of the anti gun crowd.

And I expect they'd blame the pro-gun crowd. I think you're both right - it takes two to tango. The emotive fights over guns drown out most rational discussion about gun laws, let alone anything else.

 

[CLAX1911]

It's obsolete.

If anything you're proving that it's not. It's there to protect our rights from you.

 

[jaeger19]

Why not "as well" rather than "instead"? Remember, we're just talking discussions of possibilities here.

And I expect they'd blame the pro-gun crowd. I think you're both right - it takes two to tango. The emotive fights over guns drown out most rational discussion about gun laws, let alone anything else.

Well..good question. Why NOT as well?
Where is the discussion on mental health,?
Where are the anti gun crowd discussing this AS WELL?

 

[Rich2018]

Well I agree.
But ask yourself this..
In three of the mass shootings. In fact most mass shootings..
The mental health of the person was seriously in question.
In fact in two instances a social worker had been previously called to evaluate that person prior to the shooting.

Now why do you think the topic of discussion is .
1. Why I should be allowed to keep my firearms.
2. Why should I not have to have a background check on my friend when he borrows my shotgun for a weekend skeet shoot and why don't u have to have a background check to get it back. ?
.
Why are these the topic of discussions instead of the quality and access of mental health this country. ??

I would submit that it's be because of the anti gun crowd.

Do you really suppose that Republicans favor a great increase in public healthcare expenditure ?

 

[jaeger19]

Do you really suppose that Republicans favor a great increase in public healthcare expenditure ?

I think if the focus was on improving mental health access to stop mass shootings..
I think it would be much harder for Republicans to vote against improving mental health access.

Opposing gun control however is low hanging fruit for Republicans.
Everytime the democrats start screaming for gun control..republican power increases.

 

[Rich2018]

I think if the focus was on improving mental health access to stop mass shootings..
I think it would be much harder for Republicans to vote against improving mental health access.

Really ?
You think that Republicans in Congress would vote for public money to be spent on healthcare ? What evidence do you have for that ?
They'd call it "liberalism" and immediate reject it.

Opposing gun control however is low hanging fruit for Republicans.

Only because their MAGA base are raging, ranting far-right, gun owners.

Everytime the democrats start screaming for gun control..republican power increases.

Evidence ?

 

[jaeger19]

Really ?
You think that Republicans in Congress would vote for public money to be spent on healthcare ? What evidence do you have for that ?
They'd call it "liberalism" and immediate reject it.



Only because their MAGA base are raging, ranting far-right, gun owners.



Evidence ?

1. I think it's more likely to pass than gun control legislation
2. Nope. Gun control has been the democrats third rail well before "maga".

Listen to bill Clinton.

Clinton: Don't trivialize gun culture

“Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose,” he says.

www.politico.com

Of course..to listen you will have to come our of your echo chamber.