[W:481]My Proposal to Change the Electoral College

[Samwise]

When did I say that ?

I thought your inability to produce the language was agreement with my assertion that it doesn't exist.

 

[george48]

I certainly don't approve of the electoral college to be changed.... Cos otherwise almost all pres elections eill be decided by the coasts... America is s Union after all, thus different from all other countries, cos it is s bunch of nations in one... So, given that practically unique nature, the electoral college makes sense.

 

[Rich2018]

I thought your inability to produce the language was agreement with my assertion that it doesn't exist.

Then why the reference to Joseph Story's comments I wonder ?

 

[Samwise]

Then why the reference to Joseph Story's comments I wonder ?

You can't produce the language forbidding any state from leaving the union, so we kind of agree that it doesn't exist.

 

[george48]

Most nations arose throughout history as some people's declaring their nationhood... Though the US might be similar in that regard, not in that unique and VERY SWIFT way this was done. Unifying so many different peoples anther one flag... So, given the unique challenges of unifying one nation of many nations, the electoral college makes sense... Total sense

 

[Rich2018]

You can't produce the language forbidding any state from leaving the union, so we kind of agree that it doesn't exist.

I just did, by linking Story's comments

Which you refuse to read.

 

[Rich2018]

Most nations arose throughout history as some people's declaring their nationhood... Though the US might be similar in that regard, not in that unique and VERY SWIFT way this was done. Unifying so many different peoples anther one flag... So, given the unique challenges of unifying one nation of many nations, the electoral college makes sense... Total sense

How come no other country thinks so ?

 

[george48]

How come no other country thinks so ?

Cos their history was different... America is an experiment.... In bringing different peoples together... Unlike a nation that grew over time...

 

[george48]

And hence, when you have many nations unified as one, the electoral college makes perfect sense.

 

[Rich2018]

Cos their history was different... America is an experiment.... In bringing different peoples together... Unlike a nation that grew over time...

The USA is not an experiment

And what in history meant other republics didn't go for an EC while the USA did ?

And hence, when you have many nations unified as one, the electoral college makes perfect sense.

What different "nations" were unified ?

Why do you say the USA was the unification of different nations as if no other country (like India or China) can't claim to be a much greater unification of nations ?

 

[Samwise]

I just did, by linking Story's comments

Which you refuse to read.

Links aren't an argument. Is this your first political discussion forum?

So you still can't produce the language you say exists?

 

[Rich2018]

Links aren't an argument.

Of course they are

Especially when they contain the very argument which you claim to seek

...which you don't because you won't read the link

So you still can't produce the language you say exists?

In said link which you:

1. Refuse to read
2. Dismiss the source any way

 

[george48]

The USA is not an experiment

And what in history meant other republics didn't go for an EC while the USA did ?




What different "nations" were unified ?

Why do you say the USA was the unification of different nations as if no other country (like India or China) can't claim to be a much greater unification of nations ?

The United States was an experiment, yes based on a lot of awful history as i have mentioned..... It was the first country to clearly speak of a freedom of speech, religion and so forth though... Outlined in the first amendment..... It then outlined by the founders for the first time, however imperfect they were, and they were, that ALL men are created equally.
2nd point: china was unified over hundreds of years of time in the past... so was India... Those were nations that grew organically.... The USA was an experiment by its founders to be a NEW nation, devoid of bigotry and kingly alliance... Though nor the founders nor EVERYONE throughout US history lived up to that, though a lot did, does not mean this was and is th3 greatest experiment ever....

 

[rahl]

Those words don't appear in the constitution. Would you like to try again to identify the language you claim forbids any state from quitting?

reported for trolling

 

[Samwise]

Of course they are

Especially when they contain the very argument which you claim to seek

...which you don't because you won't read the link

In said link which you:

1. Refuse to read
2. Dismiss the source any way

So you still haven't been able to produce the language you claim exists.

 

[george48]

Unlike other nations who grew over time, the US was created by the founders....

 

[Samwise]

reported for trolling

You are saying that the constitution does have language that forbids any of the states from quitting the union?

 

[rahl]

You are saying that the constitution does have language that forbids any of the states from quitting the union?

reported again for trolling. You've been given the specific language in the constitution, which was cited by the supreme court in Texas v White.

 

[Samwise]

reported again for trolling. You've been given the specific language in the constitution, which was cited by the supreme court in Texas v White.

You didn't cite any language, sorry. A link is not an argument. If you claim language exists, post it. Otherwise your protestations are meaningless.

 

[rahl]

You didn't cite any language, sorry. A link is not an argument. If you claim language exists, post it. Otherwise your protestations are meaningless.

reported again for trolling. You are fully aware that myself and one other poster has cited the specific language you keep asking for.

 

[Samwise]

reported again for trolling. You are fully aware that myself and one other poster has cited the specific language you keep asking for.

What language was that?

 

[rahl]

What language was that?

reported for trolling

 

[Rich2018]

The United States was an experiment....

No, it was created from a Revolutionary War

The Constitution was not an experiment

There was no "monitoring" or "review meeting"

It was the first country to clearly speak of a freedom of speech, religion and so forth though... Outlined in the first amendment.....

So what ?

The USA still had slavery while a lot of countries didn't

It then outlined by the founders for the first time, however imperfect they were, and they were, that ALL men are created equally.

Except slaves, women and Indians....indeed only about 6% of the people in the infant USA had the vote

So much for "equal" huh ?

2nd point: china was unified over hundreds of years of time in the past... so was India...

Oh really? Please advise the dates when India and China were unified

Those were nations that grew organically

No, they spoke different languages, had different cultures and practiced different religions

The USA was an experiment by its founders to be a NEW nation

Ditto Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, India, Pakistan, Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Italy and Germany (after unification)...

I could give you dozens of new countries created in just the last hundred years

devoid of bigotry and kingly alliance...

Ha Ha HA

Devoid of bigotry ?
Tulsa, Wounded Knee, Trail of Tears, Montgomery, Little Rock...

...does not mean this was and is th3 greatest experiment ever

Yes it does

English Revolution 1688 ?

 

[Samwise]

reported for trolling

You said you cited the language in the constitution that prohibits any of the states from quitting the union. But when I ask what you cited you call it trolling? That's odd.

 

[Rich2018]

So you still haven't been able to produce the language you claim exists.

???


Did you miss the "pointing" towards Joseph Story's comments


The comments you won't read ?
The man who you dismiss ?

You won't accept that yours is a view of just you.