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[W:423]Ritterhouse just got a bump by a good judge

I did not say they were damning. Those are your words.
here are your words that i took as 'damning' words:
"... He was living out his absurd fantasies. He is a delusional dunce cap and his parents don't deserve the distinction. ..."
They were clear indications that Rittenhouse was attempting to live out his fantasies, a delusional kid that had been set off on the wrong path and never set right. Rittenhouse should NEVER have been there that night and he did not need a crystal ball to figure that out. He either needed a functioning brain or good parents. He apparently had neither.

As for the video I am not responsible for you not have seen the video footage that had been widely distributed at the time. Maybe you should research more before posting.
so, you've got nothing to defend your bogus argument

dismissed
 
here are your words that i took as 'damning' words:
"... He was living out his absurd fantasies. He is a delusional dunce cap and his parents don't deserve the distinction. ..."

so, you've got nothing to defend your bogus argument

dismissed
I don't post up links. Never have. Again not responsible for what you don't know or are too LAME to find.
 
The behavior of all three shooting victims is documented? They are all arsonists?
The behavior isn't fully known. If there is no evidence of illegal behavior they won't be allowed to be referred to having been engaged in that behavior during the trial. Again, they aren't defendants in this case. If the judge believes the defense has provided sufficient evidence to call someone a rioter, looter, arsonist, etc they will be able to be labeled as such. They would also be allowed to reference the mob by the behavior they were engaging in. The mob is not on trial in this case. If you had to defend your life from a mob of rioters, looters and arsonists you would want to be able state what happened and properly set the frame of mind you had during your encounters.
 
let's examine that post and see if it says what you would want it to say:

please point out the portion of your identified post which tells us rittenhouse loaned the money to the arms buyer
Why are you purposely obtuse?
Rittenhouse, 17, could not legally purchase the weapon himself, so he gave the money to a friend to buy it for him, according to both Rittenhouse and police reports.
 
Black was charged for furnishing the weapon to Rittenhouse. It is relevant, Rittenhouse admitted paying for it
Donald Trump could have handed him the weapon that night. It doesn't change the self defense analysis, nor does it put Rittenhouse on the hook for something someone else allegedly did.
 
here are your words that i took as 'damning' words:
"... He was living out his absurd fantasies. He is a delusional dunce cap and his parents don't deserve the distinction. ..."

so, you've got nothing to defend your bogus argument

dismissed
If you find the video you will find Rittenhouse on video claiming the following, a first aid kit dangling from his hip:
He explained that he planned to provide first aid to anyone needing it, and said that his gun was for self-protection—“obviously.”

He wasn’t old enough to be a certified E.M.T., yet he shouted, “I am an E.M.T.!,” and proclaimed, “If you are injured, come to me! ” Adopting the language of first responders, he told a streamer, “If there’s somebody hurt, I’m running into harm’s way.”

Sure you are kid. Isn't it past your bedtime?
 
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Your denial of irrefutable facts is horse shit.

Very clearly, you are not a supporter of law when it’s inconveniences your personal opinion.
The irrefutable fact is that Black has denied he violated the law. You have repeatedly said he admitted to committing an illegal act. That is not true. Personal insults aside, it's not a matter of being a "supporter of law." It's a matter of following the facts rather than emotion.
 
That is not correct. Wisconsin is a Castle Doctrine state. Its not a Stand your Ground State.

Still as I suggested earlier, I would much prefer being the Attorney for the Defense than the Prosecutor in this case. It will IMO based on the very limited knowledge we have at this point (we only think we have buckets of information), it will be very difficult to get twelve jurors over the "beyond a reasonable doubt" hurdle.
The prosecutor has a very weak case and the work he has performed during the hearings thus far has been less than adequate. He's getting stomped on at every turn. The judge recently mocked him for downplaying the behavior of the rioters. He got his hand slapped for lying about Kyle's physical location. He got mocked for saying use of force experts weren't needed and shouldn't be admissible. And he hasn't been making strong arguments thus far. The defense doesn't have to try very hard. The prosecution is doing their job for them.
 
another attempt to insist if rittenhouse had only been able to see into the future he would have known to stay away

you don't strike me as ignorant, so i assume you know that is not how the world really works, where we have any certain foreknowledge of what is about to happen

I am not asking for anyone to be psychic, here, so stop painting it that way.

Actions have consequences. If you should choose to put your head in an alligators mouth and it chomps down, I think its pretty ****ed up that the gator has to die because of your stupid ass decision. The key part of this is the CHOICE that YOU would have made to do something less than intelligent.

By CHOOSING to insert himself into a known volatile situation, he had already made the decision as to how much he valued safety over making a point....which is to say that he decided being THERE was more important than being SAFE.

The firearm was already in Wisconsin when he picked it up, so it never crossed state lines. Crossing state lines is still irrelevant.

No, its not. It proves that he had the time and ability to consider what it was he was doing. Its not the actual crossing of the lines that matters, its the time doing so provided for him to make a different decision. Forethought is gonna play a part in this, you can rest assured.

That about the worst case scenario I've ever heard. You would have never been robbed if you stayed at home...you would never got in a car accident if you never drove...you would never been raped if you didn't wear that bikini. But that's what the far left always do, blame the average citizen rather than the criminal.

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Rittenhouse is a victim of nothing but his own stupidity. He INSERTED himself into a situation he didn't need to be in. If you are robbed walking down the street to your car from work, that isn't you inserting yourself somewhere you need not be, that is someone else ACTUALLY making a victim of you. That you apparently can't understand the difference between being victimized and reaping the reward for a dumb assed decision you make is potentially the saddest part of all of this.

Rittenhouse stuck his head in the gators mouth of his own damned choosing.
 
The irrefutable fact is that Black has denied he violated the law. You have repeatedly said he admitted to committing an illegal act. That is not true. Personal insults aside, it's not a matter of being a "supporter of law." It's a matter of following the facts rather than emotion.
His own words say otherwise.

He told the police that he told Rittenhouse that he shouldn't be in possession of the gun and that the gun was still in his name even though it wasn't his. HE told the police that. It kinda says to me that he knew what he did was wrong. Oh, and one other thing.....he also has already gone on record stating that he bought the gun FOR Rittenhouse, not that it was some sort of loan until later.

On some level, you gotta commend the fact that he was too stupidly honest to lie his way out of the problem. By telling the cops EXACTLY what you did, you basically own that you did exactly what they charged you with.
 
The prosecutor has a very weak case and the work he has performed during the hearings thus far has been less than adequate. He's getting stomped on at every turn. The judge recently mocked him for downplaying the behavior of the rioters. He got his hand slapped for lying about Kyle's physical location. He got mocked for saying use of force experts weren't needed and shouldn't be admissible. And he hasn't been making strong arguments thus far. The defense doesn't have to try very hard. The prosecution is doing their job for them.
Even a competent Prosecutor is going to have a hard time getting over the "beyond a reasonable doubt" hurdle in this case. I would much prefer being the Attorney for the Defense in this one.
 
I am not asking for anyone to be psychic, here, so stop painting it that way.

Actions have consequences. If you should choose to put your head in an alligators mouth and it chomps down, I think its pretty ****ed up that the gator has to die because of your stupid ass decision. The key part of this is the CHOICE that YOU would have made to do something less than intelligent.

By CHOOSING to insert himself into a known volatile situation, he had already made the decision as to how much he valued safety over making a point....which is to say that he decided being THERE was more important than being SAFE.



No, its not. It proves that he had the time and ability to consider what it was he was doing. Its not the actual crossing of the lines that matters, its the time doing so provided for him to make a different decision. Forethought is gonna play a part in this, you can rest assured.



Rittenhouse is a victim of nothing but his own stupidity. He INSERTED himself into a situation he didn't need to be in. If you are robbed walking down the street to your car from work, that isn't you inserting yourself somewhere you need not be, that is someone else ACTUALLY making a victim of you. That you apparently can't understand the difference between being victimized and reaping the reward for a dumb assed decision you make is potentially the saddest part of all of this.

Rittenhouse stuck his head in the gators mouth of his own damned choosing.
what i notice is you make absolutely no mention of the stupidity of those who assaulted rittenhouse, and were shot for their efforts, for having been stupid enough to place themselves in harm's way at the very same destination that you keep insisting a 17 year old should have known not to venture into

run-on and end in a preposition sentence success; another award should be due

but then if that is award-deserving your post deserves one for irony

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If you find the video you will find Rittenhouse on video claiming the following, a first aid kit dangling from his hip:
He explained that he planned to provide first aid to anyone needing it, and said that his gun was for self-protection—“obviously.”

He wasn’t old enough to be a certified E.M.T., yet he shouted, “I am an E.M.T.!,” and proclaimed, “If you are injured, come to me! ” Adopting the language of first responders, he told a streamer, “If there’s somebody hurt, I’m running into harm’s way.”

Sure you are kid. Isn't it past your bedtime?
he was not officially a graffiti cleanser yet he fulfilled that function near the riot site
share with us the point you attempted to make with your post and i will declare the same reasoning
 
Why are you purposely obtuse?
Rittenhouse, 17, could not legally purchase the weapon himself, so he gave the money to a friend to buy it for him, according to both Rittenhouse and police reports.
you obviously have not been able to distinguish the difference between "give" and "loaned"
 
I don't post up links. Never have. Again not responsible for what you don't know or are too LAME to find.
then you should not expect us to search that for which you are too busy to do the same
go over your high school notes and see what was conveyed about citing references made in one's narratives
 
you obviously have not been able to distinguish the difference between "give" and "loaned"
You not being capable to read is a problem. Rittenhouse and Black have both stated why Black bought the rifle with Rittenhouse’s money for Rittenhouse because he was of legal age to purchase it.
 
then you should not expect us to search that for which you are too busy to do the same
go over your high school notes and see what was conveyed about citing references made in one's narratives
You have ignored the multiple links and posts for your straw man arguments for the last 12 hours.
 
You not being capable to read is a problem. Rittenhouse and Black have both stated why Black bought the rifle with Rittenhouse’s money for Rittenhouse because he was of legal age to purchase it.
And what is your point relative to my post about the distinction between the two verbs?
 
to illustrate that rittenhouse was a 17 year old kid without much worldly experience to keep him from screwing up
he had legal alternatives he did not use ... because he was not sophisticated enough to use them
leading to your next 'point', to demonstrate he was not a sophisticated conspirator ... one would only have to look at the january 5-6 players to see an example of what that looks like
It may surprise you to learn that most crimes are not committed by “worldly” or “sophisticated” individuals of any age.

Rittenhouse knew that he was breaking the law when he conspired with Black to illegally purchase the M&P 15.
i will come back to this when the trial is completed ... color me dubious as to the legitimacy of your observation at this date
Not sure how you could find the facts that I presented “dubious”.
really?
the perv was not a convicted child molesting felon?
said perv had not just been released from a mental health facility?
said perv did not chase rittenhouse while that kid was retreating from his advances?
said perv did not attempt to seize rittenhouse's firearm?
skateboard dude did not smash said skateboard into rittenhouse, while rittenhouse had done nothing to him to provoke such an assault?
guy who raised his arms in surrender signal did not then lower his firearm in rittenhouse's direction immediately before being shot by rittenhouse?
those are referred to as facts - NOT personal bias
Your need to address the history of those Rittenhouse injured and killed is one the ways in which you express your bias toward Rittenhouse.

I don’t care at all about their previous crimes because their previous crimes do not, in way, relate to the events of the evening they were injured/killed by Rittenhouse.

My only interest in them is in considering if their actions contributed to their injury or death. On that, I believe there is a lot of evidence that they did. That, but for their own actions that evening, they would not have been injured/killed.
no, i have shown immediately above that you view the actual facts to be perceived bias. your objectivity in this matter does not exist
Your assumption of any bias on my part is meritless.
my simple inquiry exhibited that rittenhouse is actually a simple fellow and not a devious, sophisticated conspiracist as appears to be how he is painted by the cohort who villainize him for taking his self defense actions
Again, “sophistication” isn’t necessary. Rittenhouse and Black’s crime doesn’t require any sophistication at all, and as is born out by the facts involved, even a couple of “simple fellows” could pull off the simple conspiracy of a straw man purchase.
 
The irrefutable fact is that Black has denied he violated the law.
I haven’t denied Black’s “innocent” plea.
You have repeatedly said he admitted to committing an illegal act. That is not true.
Now you’re lying. I have provided the proof repeatedly. That you’re unwilling to accept the truth is a you problem.
Personal insults aside, it's not a matter of being a "supporter of law." It's a matter of following the facts rather than emotion.
Your bias, an emotion driven belief, is preventing you from accepting irrefutable facts. Again, a you problem.
 
I haven’t denied Black’s “innocent” plea.
You said he admitted guilt. He didn't.
I haven’t denied Black’s “innocent” plea.

Now you’re lying. I have provided the proof repeatedly. That you’re unwilling to accept the truth is a you problem.

Your bias, an emotion driven belief, is preventing you from accepting irrefutable facts. Again, a you problem.
This isn't complicated. He bought a firearm that Kyle wanted with Kyle's money. However, ownership is not a settled discussion. The rifle stayed at Black's stepfather's house. In fact, there was discussion of Kyle's mother getting a firearm's license to transfer the rifle over to her. We don't know the details there. We do know there was concern on Black's part that if they had to tell Kyle he was not allowed to use it he would throw a hissy fit which implies they viewed themselves as the gatekeeper for using the rifle. Your claim that they have publicly said they decided to break the law or commit a straw purchase is false. They didn't say that, you inferred that. Black has plead not guilty to the charges and nobody has claimed they have a confession from what I've seen. It is not uncommon for hunting/gun families to buy firearms so minors can use legally use then despite not being able to buy on their own. Are they guilty of straw purchase?
 
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You said he admitted guilt. He didn't.
This isn't complicated. He bought a firearm that Kyle wanted with Kyle's money. However, ownership is not a settled discussion. The rifle stayed at Black's stepfather's house. In fact, there was discussion of Kyle's mother getting a firearm's license to transfer the rifle over to her. We don't know the details there. We do know there was concern on Black's part that if they had to tell Kyle he was not allowed to use it he would throw a hissy fit which implies they viewed themselves as the gatekeeper for using the rifle. Your claim that they have publicly said they decided to break the law or commit a straw purchase is false. They didn't say that, you inferred that. Black has plead not guilty to the charges and nobody has claimed they have a confession from what I've seen. It is not uncommon for hunting/gun families to buy firearms so minors can use legally use then despite not being able to buy on their own. Are they guilty of straw purchase?
Both Black and Rittenhouse have admitted they both knew Rittenhouse was not legal to purchase or possess the rifle. If you want what you say to be true, Black would have stated he was buying it for Rittenhouse on the federal form, he wrote he purchased it for himself.
 
what i notice is you make absolutely no mention of the stupidity of those who assaulted rittenhouse, and were shot for their efforts, for having been stupid enough to place themselves in harm's way at the very same destination that you keep insisting a 17 year old should have known not to venture into

run-on and end in a preposition sentence success; another award should be due

but then if that is award-deserving your post deserves one for irony

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Not sure what you were prattling on about regarding awards, so we will just skip over that stuff.

As for not talking about those who were killed by Rittenhouse.....sure, you could make the argument they didnt need to be there either. Im all for it. That said, nothing they were doing that night would have carried a penalty of death had they had the chance to be charged with anything. Unfortunately, Rittenhouse made that call extrajudiciously.
 
Both Black and Rittenhouse have admitted they both knew Rittenhouse was not legal to purchase the rifle.
Yes. So Black purchased it and took it home with him. At what point did Rittenhouse take ownership of the rifle? When did he not have to get it from Black or Black's stepfather when he wanted to use it? This is the likely argument that Black is going to make in court.
 
You said he admitted guilt. He didn't.

You are conflating pleading guilty to admitting guilt.

When he told the cops how and why the purchase went down, he admitted that he broke the law.
This isn't complicated. He bought a firearm that Kyle wanted with Kyle's money. However, ownership is not a settled discussion. The rifle stayed at Black's stepfather's house. In fact, there was discussion of Kyle's mother getting a firearm's license to transfer the rifle over to her. We don't know the details there. We do know there was concern on Black's part that if they had to tell Kyle he was not allowed to use it he would throw a hissy fit which implies they viewed themselves as the gatekeeper for using the rifle. Your claim that they have publicly said they decided to break the law or commit a straw purchase is false. They didn't say that, you inferred that.

From exactly what they told the cops. That is where the inference comes from. See, what they said is on the record the night they were picked up. Ignore it all you want, but they have documented statements from both of them stating what really happened.

Black has plead not guilty to the charges and nobody has claimed they have a confession from what I've seen. It is not uncommon for hunting/gun families to buy firearms so minors can use legally use then despite not being able to buy on their own. Are they guilty of straw purchase?

Of course he plead not guilty. What does that have to do with what he said to the cops on the record? You know, the part where he admitted to buying the gun for Rittenhouse in the first place and then being worried about Rittenhouse having a gun in Blacks name in his possession.

Face it. Every statement he gave pointed to the fact that he knew what he did was wrong.
 
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