[W:413]Hawking -- the devil himself?

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

You conclude wrong.

you seem to misunderstand that was just a quote from the article you posted


maybe you wanna say they conclude wrong but at least you know what your disagreeing with now so congratulations on your progress

 

[Dragonfly]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

apart from God there is no reasonable explanation for the origin of the universe

What is the "reasonable explanation" for the origin of god?

 

[tosca1]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

And this is also the part of the forum for scepticism, and my scepticism starts with the fact that there is no devil. That is not taking it off topic if the topic is someone being the devil.

Just because you want something to be true does not make it true.

The OP at no point claims that. It is clearly a dramatic thing not a claim to reality. To claim that the actual (well made up but..) Lord Of Hell took the form of a crippled British Physicist who spent 99% of his effort on thinking about black holes is mad beyond description.

Even the OP is not that bad.

Whatever. Your choice to interpret it any way you want!


Of course you non-believers think the idea is bats*** crazy - well, what'd I tell you?

The OP is from a religious pov! The OP solicits a religious pov! :lol:


You atheists like to stick your noses where they don't really belong.... and then, you cry foul! :lamo
I wonder if you guys can even tell where you don't really belong? I don't think so. :lol:


That's why I say you're all so full of........drama! :mrgreen:

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Your broad statement is the problem causing you to falsely accuse me of lying. Biological evidence in the Gorilla DNA does not "disprove" evolution, it contradicts certain evolutionary points formerly assumed about gorilla/human common ancestry.



No science report which contradicts long held Darwinist dogma will likely even find a publisher, and so could not possibly become the basis for being nominated for the secular humanist Nobel Prize.

So science has found more information about the evolution of early hominids, that there was interbreeding between hominids and early gorillas, and you say that could never be published because it changes what Darwin though was likely to be the case?

Given it obviously has been published you lie.

It is unbelievable how self contradictory and constant your lying is. Got to be full blown narcissism to a massive extent. Are there any other areas of knowledge you have outside Christianity? It would be good to know you can do some things.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

What is your gripe? You want more info and are looking for evidence that I am lying? Sort of like Adam Schiff going after President Trump? While you are surfing the web let me offer this which may help:

Insights into hominid evolution from the gorilla genome sequence Insights into hominid evolution from the gorilla genome sequence | Nature

In 30% of the genome, gorilla is closer to human or chimpanzee that the latter are to each other...

If that is true then are human homosexuals more closely related to bonobos than to gorillas?

My gripe is that you claim that the better understanding of early hominid evolution discovered by DNA sequencing of chimpanzee and gorilla DNA could not be published because it changes Darwin's ideas a bit, which it does, but it was clearly published and it does not change the basic theory of evolution. Clearly.

The utterly obvious and desperate diversion of the point by bringing up homosexuals, who have the same DNA as the rest of humanity, just demonstrates that you are fully aware that you have been shown to be lying again.

I am baffled by your arrogant expectation of being able to get away with constant lying.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?

"Wahh! They're always picking on me because I'm a Christian! Wahh!"

No one cares what you worship, marke, until you use those beliefs to lie about science, which you do here regularly. The facts are just NOT on your side. Pray to whatever sky fairies you like, but it won't change established scientific fact.

You should look into joining one of the growing "flat earth" groups. You would fit right in. They, too, believe in something that cannot be proven.

More that they profess to believe in something which can easily be proven wrong.

 

[Tim the plumber]

However much devoted Darwinists want to believe and promote evolution speculation as scientific fact, it remains nothing more than debatable unverified speculation.

Liar.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Whatever. Your choice to interpret it any way you want!


Of course you non-believers think the idea is bats*** crazy - well, what'd I tell you?

The OP is from a religious pov! The OP solicits a religious pov! :lol:


You atheists like to stick your noses where they don't really belong.... and then, you cry foul! :lamo
I wonder if you guys can even tell where you don't really belong? I don't think so. :lol:


That's why I say you're all so full of........drama! :mrgreen:

If you need a safe place where your madness will not be shown to be false stick to the theology section.

 

[tosca1]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

If you need a safe place where your madness will not be shown to be false stick to the theology section.

:lamo

Even that response is also......"off-target!"

Does it look like I need a safe place? :mrgreen:
What? You can't handle the truth with what I say?

Isn't it true?
You're here, an atheist - in a thread that poses a question under the assumption the devil exists!
It's a question really for those who believe in the existence of the devil - and that would be religious people!
And you're saying, we're mad? Doh?

Looks like........you're the one who wants to keep this place........... safe! :lol:

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

:lamo

Even that response is also......"off-target!"

Does it look like I need a safe place? :mrgreen:

You atheists like to stick your noses where they don't really belong.... and then, you cry foul!

Yes, clearly.

 

[Dragonfly]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

You atheists like to stick your noses where they don't really belong.... and then, you cry foul! :lamo

The level of irony (as well as hypocrisy) in this comment is ginormously epic in scope.

 

[Quag]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

This is quite an irrational conspiracy theory. How can anyone 'hijack science'? That's an absurd claim, and if the theory is merely an unproven scientific assertion, as you opine, then it would easily be exposed as such.

Such a nonsensical claim is inexcusable, and it is borne of ignorance of the subject and the scientific method.

I believe his problem is that science has proven his personal belief about the creation of the universe and humanity (which has 0 evidence to back it up) to be pure fantasy so he claims it is atheists who have hijacked science to destroy religion. The fact that science doesn't and cannot disprove God because science doesn't deal with the supernatural is beside the point. All that matters is that it disproves his uneducated views and thus has to be anti-God.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

:lamo

Even that response is also......"off-target!"

Does it look like I need a safe place? :mrgreen:
What? You can't handle the truth with what I say?

Isn't it true?
You're here, an atheist - in a thread that poses a question under the assumption the devil exists!
It's a question really for those who believe in the existence of the devil - and that would be religious people!
And you're saying, we're mad? Doh?

Looks like........you're the one who wants to keep this place........... safe! :lol:

You must have added some more in edit.

The thread title "Hawking -- the devil himself?" has a question mark in it. Thus it is a question.

So no it does not assume anything.

Even if it did that would not stop people reasonably showing that it was not the case.

I am fine with you attacking me. Enjoy. I enjoy showing that you are unable to deal with honest discussions of the real world.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Of course those scientists who despise the thought of God will never consider the fact that apart from God there is no reasonable explanation for the origin of the universe or for the origin of life on earth.

or regardless of whether they believe in gods or not the big bang evolution and planetary and stellar formation from collapsing dust and gas appear to be the case and hold up best under observation

you never put forward why a god would be reasonable or exclusively reasonable

you just turn to the idea of a god because you don't see how things can happen without a cause or how things can have a nature that's not designed

by saying a magical sky daddy who exists without a cause because and whose nature of infinite power and specific will weer not designed

again special pleading go look it up and hammer what it means into your head for your own sake please

Special Pleading

Special Pleading
Description: Applying standards, principles, and/or rules to other people or circumstances, while making oneself or certain circumstances exempt from the same critical criteria, without providing adequate justification. Special pleading is often a result of strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason.



that's about as reasonable as saying the universe popped into being last week just becasse and ther goes your only explanation misconception as well

 

[calamity]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

How stupid does someone have to be to deny evolution?

 

[calamity]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

I decided to believe in God. And, God is going to send all the phony Christians who support Donald Trump straight to hell.

Wow! That felt good. I should have found god sooner.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

ok lets test to see if ther an all powerful all knowing god who wants people to know about it

god please tell everyone you exist

..................................................................


im not getting an answer are you guys?



ok god please make the sun shine purple for a min


lighting appears to be the same outside


ok god please regrow the limbs of any one who has lost theirs


we will need to wait a little bit for the news to let us know about that one most of us anyway

 

[tosca1]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

The level of irony (as well as hypocrisy) in this comment is ginormously epic in scope.

:roll:


How is that so? Explain.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

1. nobody has hijacked science because science is way more than just evolution

2. the scientist have not demanded, they have presented their evidence and facts, the people who have not closed off their mind to nonsensical claims of creationism and whatever, have demanded that the truth can and has to be spoken without interference from unscientific religious obstructionists.

3. Darwinism is not unproven, it is very scientific, the speculations are substantiated by facts/evidence and it is almost certainly the irrefutable truth.

4. I find it inexcusable that people still claim dinosaurs and humans walked the planet together, that people claim earth is just a few thousand years old and that science has to take a back seat to religious proclamations that are based on nothing. Like the idiotic idea that there once was a Noah who took all the animals on board of his vessel and that the whole world was flooded. The complete notion is nonsense. Just like the idea that humans used to live hundreds of years or longer.

Darwinism is wrong even though so many people support the nonsense.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

That is nonsense, there are scientists who still believe in god but also realize that science is factual.

And apart from god there is no reasonable explanation for the origin of the universe? Sorry, but gods is the most unreasonable explanation, the one with the least believability and factuality.

There are scientists who know God created the universe and life on earth and recognizing those facts is complimentary of science, not an opposition to science. Secularists think science contradicts the Biblical record of origins, but secularists are wrong.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

you seem to misunderstand that was just a quote from the article you posted


maybe you wanna say they conclude wrong but at least you know what your disagreeing with now so congratulations on your progress

I do not always agree with everything said in an article which makes some good points.

 

[Thingfish]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Truth be told...Nun of us has a clue.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

What is the "reasonable explanation" for the origin of god?

Don't be silly. God had no origin. He has always existed and will always exist without beginning or end.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

So science has found more information about the evolution of early hominids, that there was interbreeding between hominids and early gorillas, and you say that could never be published because it changes what Darwin though was likely to be the case?

Given it obviously has been published you lie.

It is unbelievable how self contradictory and constant your lying is. Got to be full blown narcissism to a massive extent. Are there any other areas of knowledge you have outside Christianity? It would be good to know you can do some things.

No interbreeding between humans and animals has ever taken place. Scientists even discovered that no interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans ever took place.

 

[Dragonfly]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Don't be silly. God had no origin. He has always existed and will always exist without beginning or end.

Do you not understand what you just said?

The implications are rather huge.

:mrgreen: