[W:413]Hawking -- the devil himself?

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

You talk about 'discovery.' First you ask about evidence and now you want to discuss discovery. Humans have always known the universe could not have had its origin apart from God. What new discovery and when did it become known that something else besides God invented the universe? I don't believe anyone has discovered any evidence that the universe was created by anyone or anything but God.

you don't seem to have offered up any evidence just more claims

people have believed gods started the universe and some people have believed gods must have

they don't seem to know that because they use special pleading with that argument

please show some evidence for the universe being created by a god


instead of just saying thats counts as evidence


show how you discovered that claim is true

so it can be tested

 

[Sweden]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

I'm sorry to hear that but unfortunately I can imagine many reasons why. Many are often portrayed here online and really, just interacting with humans in general makes it too easy.

I have every confidence in your powers of imagination. It is rather your difficulty in distinguishing between the imaginary and the factual which concerns me.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

dense singularity

and elements getting together in a certain shape that coverts the same elements into the same or similar shape

hows that imply a god?

It's evidence of physics.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

It's evidence of physics.

i get the feeling hes going to say physics prove god exists


by claiming you need someone to set nature up

not realizing that he is using special pleading with a god whose nature apparently doesn't need to be set up by anyone

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

"Humans have always known the universe could not have had its origin apart from God."
???????? Even before Christianity came along? And atheists are human too. What a silly statement.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

i get the feeling hes going to say physics prove god exists


by claiming you need someone to set nature up

not realizing that he is using special pleading with a god whose nature apparently doesn't need to be set up by anyone

Not to mention how this god was created.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

The fact that chemicals had an origin is proof of God.

How so? Please provide proof there is a God that created anything.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

I have every confidence in your powers of imagination. It is rather your difficulty in distinguishing between the imaginary and the factual which concerns me.

Please be specific: wwere I have confused the 2?

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

you don't seem to have offered up any evidence just more claims

people have believed gods started the universe and some people have believed gods must have

they don't seem to know that because they use special pleading with that argument

please show some evidence for the universe being created by a god


instead of just saying thats counts as evidence


show how you discovered that claim is true

so it can be tested

How can a scientist test a theory of the origin of the universe, by applying his own logic, bias and preferred interpretations and conclusions to assorted data? I'll go with the common sense scientific approach. Matter could not have created itself and inanimate objects or substances do not create life.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

dense singularity

and elements getting together in a certain shape that coverts the same elements into the same or similar shape

hows that imply a god?

How does "elements getting together" explain the movements of immobile, non-living, totally brainless and ignorant chemicals or elements?

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

that doesn't seem to be true how did you discover that was so?

Common sense does not allow the acceptance of myths which claim chemicals invented themselves.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

remember you said

"he was only clay and went out into eternity blindly ignorantly gambling with his eternal soul."so

how do you avoid that souls don't sem to exist nether do gods and if they do how would you be able to know how they work?



seems like you can test for oxygen

What kind of test answers the question of how oxygen first came into existence? A test which yields wild unprovable speculations?

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

How can a scientist test a theory of the origin of the universe, by applying his own logic, bias and preferred interpretations and conclusions to assorted data? I'll go with the common sense scientific approach. Matter could not have created itself and inanimate objects or substances do not create life.

if it cant be tested then your faith is also blind and not scientific or well reasoned

since your reasoning shoots itself in the foot because of the special pleading

why cant matter/energy just pop into being or always have exist as easily as your god could?

and life is just made of matter in a certain arrangement so how did you prove matter cant form life?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

What kind of test answers the question of how oxygen first came into existence? A test which yields wild unprovable speculations?

I studied that process in college. It had to do with positive and negative reactions between the molecules.

If you are curious, look it up. But...I'm guessing you dont go out of your way much to educate yourself on science....esp. when it will prove you wrong.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

How does "elements getting together" explain the movements of immobile, non-living, totally brainless and ignorant chemicals or elements?

non living brainless stuff moves all the time what are you talking about?

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Common sense does not allow the acceptance of myths which claim chemicals invented themselves.

dosent allow for gods to create themselves then either and chemicals are more likely because we at least know they exist

why are you pushing a myth when you say other are blind ?

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

What kind of test answers the question of how oxygen first came into existence? A test which yields wild unprovable speculations?

ment a test for the existence of oxygen


going to need to test fusion and maybe fionn if you want to know how its made

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

How does "elements getting together" explain the movements of immobile, non-living, totally brainless and ignorant chemicals or elements?

hey look stuff moving without a brain



well being moved by energy in the environment but thats answers your question

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

How so? Please provide proof there is a God that created anything.

You are alive in a world that had a beginning. Therefore God is. Apart from God's creation of all things, there is no other scientifically valid explanation for the origin of the universe and of life on earth.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

How does "elements getting together" explain the movements of immobile, non-living, totally brainless and ignorant chemicals or elements?

look elements moving when they interact

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

if it cant be tested then your faith is also blind and not scientific or well reasoned

since your reasoning shoots itself in the foot because of the special pleading

why cant matter/energy just pop into being or always have exist as easily as your god could?

and life is just made of matter in a certain arrangement so how did you prove matter cant form life?

Science has either proven life is not formed by inanimate objects or science has not proven it can be formed by inanimate objects.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

Science has either proven life is not formed by inanimate objects or science has not proven it can be formed by inanimate objects.

true it has either proven that or has not proven that

though if has not been proven then it could either be the case or not

until its proven it can or cant

whats your point?

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

I studied that process in college. It had to do with positive and negative reactions between the molecules.

If you are curious, look it up. But...I'm guessing you dont go out of your way much to educate yourself on science....esp. when it will prove you wrong.

I know you don't know and that is OK. What secularist unbelievers teach as science is often just crappy unscientific opinion. Speculations about reactions between molecules do not deal with the origin of anything. The origin of molecules deals with the origin of oxygen and intelligent or unintelligent caused or uncaused reactions between already existing molecules says nothing about their origins.

 

[marke]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

non living brainless stuff moves all the time what are you talking about?

Speculating that created brainless chemicals moved without being prompted to self-create life and intelligence is beyond stupid.

 

[blarg]

Re: Hawking -- the devil himself?

I know you don't know and that is OK. What secularist unbelievers teach as science is often just crappy unscientific opinion. Speculations about reactions between molecules do not deal with the origin of anything. The origin of molecules deals with the origin of oxygen and intelligent or unintelligent caused or uncaused reactions between already existing molecules says nothing about their origins.

what shows that a god exists and is the origin of anything have anything other then i dunno so therefore god did it

please share


because i dunno something other then a god did it seem to work just as well as your religious place holder