[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

[Fledermaus]

Fauci said "masks" might stop a droplet but don't offer the protection people think they do! He didn't say what kind of mask.

The CDC said n95 masks properly fit STILL RELEASED 70 TO 80 PERCENT OF VIRUS BEING EXHALED WITH EACH BREATH! More than enough to infect with each breath! Not Fauci Not me Not paradoxical, but the CDC!

Now if you think hard and do some math 1.25 breaths release the same virus is as if no masks are being worn! So we are being told they work yet after 1 and 1/4 breaths all is the same.

We have been told they can't help the healthy stay safe! That means the virus goes thought the mask of the healthy person and infects them! Yet somehow by FM.....freaking magic.......they stop virus from coming out. 1000 times smaller than the masks fibers lol!

Can't comprehend what mask mandates are intended to do.

Can't comprehend why masks work.

 

[Daddyo]

I've got some highly technical stuff here in regard to wearing a mask ..I'll understand if some don't get it right away.

So here it is >

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For slobber! The airborne virus is 1000 times smaller than the weave in the mask!

Like throwing a mullet net on sardines! Good luck!

 

[jaeger19]

You have been asked several times to provide evidence that the mask is the reason someone is not infected after being exposed!

Specifically that the masks meager reduction in viral load as being responsible for someone not getting infected!

You can't prove that!

Source control mask use exposes you to an infectious viral load with every breath from the sick person! Why are only some of the healthy infected? What study shows that a 20 to 30 percent reduction in viral load is the reason?

Umm I and others have already provided a plethora of research that wearing a mask reduces the chance you will infect someone else.
You choose to ignore the research. Cripes..I gave three links to three systematic reviews encompassing tons of studies and evidence.

 

[Daddyo]

It is INSANE for someone to claim that if a mask stops 20,000 out of 100,000 CVOVID virus particles, that qualifies as "works"
I think a third grader who had anything at all on the ball would wee right through such a ruse and tell the grownups that if it takes just a thousand or so to infect someone, that 80,000 the masks let in are 8,000 times more than d=someone needs to be infected. It really doesn't take someone with initials behind their name to figure this stuff out.

Worst than that para....once they take the next breath it's 160,000 out of 200,000. Then 240,000 out of 300,000!

The mask always allows to escape many many times more virus than what is necessary to infect. To the brain dead that means they are working!

 

[jaeger19]

lol Boy are you serious?

The CDC says asymptomatic transmission is highly unlikely lol!

A doctor should know more than a businessman lol!

So should I believe you or the facts?

Yeah no.

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms

This decision analytical model assesses the proportion of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmissions in the community that likely occur from persons without symptoms.

jamanetwork.com

Oh wait..you need an excerpt too right?

Findings: In this decision analytical model assessing multiple scenarios for the infectious period and the proportion of infe tion from individuals who have never had Covid -19 symptoms, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmission.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The initial surge in Swedish death rates have been explained multiple times…and that led to the higher over all count. After that initial spike those countries pretty much tracked each other on death rate from Covid…one country with strict protocols the other without.

But they are still the death rates, and neither the case counts or the deaths compared to Germany have shown that their approach was better. From a cumulative data perspective, Sweden has fared poorly compared to Germany. It's only within the past few months that Germany's numbers are higher, but that still hasn't evened out the statistics. Even looking at this week's statistics, Sweden is at 1.01 deaths per million and on an upward trend while Germany is at .55 and plateauing.

The aspect you haven't addressed is the shift Sweden made in its pandemic measures, which have been modified to include mask usage and continue to encourage social distancing etc. While not a mandate, it still intended to increase the compliance with these policies. Those modifications came during the second surge, which is when most nations strengthened their measures.

 

[Paradoxical]

Fauci said "masks" might stop a droplet but don't offer the protection people think they do! He didn't say what kind of mask.

The CDC said n95 masks properly fit STILL RELEASED 70 TO 80 PERCENT OF VIRUS BEING EXHALED WITH EACH BREATH! More than enough to infect with each breath! Not Fauci Not me Not paradoxical, but the CDC!

Now if you think hard and do some math 1.25 breaths release the same virus is as if no masks are being worn! So we are being told they work yet after 1 and 1/4 breaths all is the same.

We have been told they can't help the healthy stay safe! That means the virus goes thought the mask of the healthy person and infects them! Yet somehow by FM.....freaking magic.......they stop virus from coming out. 1000 times smaller than the masks fibers lol!

In my personal research which can begin to match the qualifications of others here, I found that cigarette smoke went right through my mask from about 20 feet away of a smoker outside as I walked out of Home Depot. I have not cared to do the test but I have read reports that farts go right through people's underwear, pants, and through a surgical mask.

I wondered how big those smoke and fart molecules were and found that they are approximately the same size as Covid. I would like Jaeger here to explain how a fart can go through two layers of clothing similar to someone wearing two masks and then through a surgical mask but Covid particles of the same size don't. Also, I would like him to tell me how I smelled the molecules of smoke which are also the same size as COVID, and yet Covid won't go through my surgical mask in the same manner.

I really don't expect an answer because this is just too logical and simple and someone with initials behind his name can't be bothered with logic and common sense.

 

[Daddyo]

You said something?

Yeah bye bye! Gave you plenty of chances to respond with something partially intelligent! Nothing even close! So good bye!

 

[Daddyo]

Some people just want to needle someone to get a reaction so they can run to a monitor.

Just put him on ignore. Tired of him!

 

[jaeger19]

For slobber! The airborne virus is 1000 times smaller than the weave in the mask!

Like throwing a mullet net on sardines! Good luck!

Please use your expertise to explain Brownian motion and it's relevance to masks.

 

[Daddyo]

Umm I and others have already provided a plethora of research that wearing a mask reduces the chance you will infect someone else.
You choose to ignore the research. Cripes..I gave three links to three systematic reviews encompassing tons of studies and evidence.

No you didn't! You gave a few examples like the hair dresser and navy ship. You then tossed in the old " but the professionals recommend them"!

You haven't provided the necessary evidence because it doesn't exist!

Paradoxical explained to you the numbers! 8,000 times whats necessary to infect vs 10,000 with no mask! And this is with a single exhale! Next exhale and it goes up and up and up!

We both pointed out that masks needed to be properly fitted and of a certain material!

Finally I can't remember a single civilian with a properly fitted n95 or better mask in public! Not a single one out of thousands!

 

[RealityChecker]

I wondered how big those smoke and fart molecules were and found that they are approximately the same size as Covid. I would like Jaeger here to explain how a fart can go through two layers of clothing similar to someone wearing two masks and then through a surgical mask but Covid particles of the same size don't. Also, I would like him to tell me how I smelled the molecules of smoke which are also the same size as COVID, and yet Covid won't go through my surgical mask in the same manner.

I really don't expect an answer because this is just too logical and simple and someone with initials behind his name can't be bothered with logic and common sense.

Well the stink from farts is mostly from hydrogen sulfide gas which is similar in size to oxygen molecules so N95 masks won't stop you from smelling farts, but smoke particles are far larger and so will mostly get filter out by an N95 masks. But paper surgical masks or multilayered cloth masks won't stop tobacco smoke. Nor would wearing an N95 mask to exhale tobacco smoke stop many tiny smoke particles that may be similar in size to the aerosols respiratory viruses such as those that cause flu, colds, measles, or the Wuhan virus. So much for clothe and paper surgical masks being effective for "source control". They may stop some larger droplets but not many of the tiny aerosols responsible for the contagion of the Wuhan virus.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yeah bye bye! Gave you plenty of chances to respond with something partially intelligent! Nothing even close! So good bye!

You are blithering about two week old posts...

And you rote regurgitation of racid and debunked talking points don't deserve any more of a response.

 

[Daddyo]

Yeah no.

SARS-CoV-2 Transmission From People Without COVID-19 Symptoms

This decision analytical model assesses the proportion of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmissions in the community that likely occur from persons without symptoms.

jamanetwork.com

Oh wait..you need an excerpt too right?

Findings: In this decision analytical model assessing multiple scenarios for the infectious period and the proportion of infe tion from individuals who have never had Covid -19 symptoms, transmission from asymptomatic individuals was estimated to account for more than half of all transmission.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article

I'm not the one who needs an excerpt however I will return the favor.

"Conclusions​

In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients. Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission. The serial interval was short; very short intervals occurred.

The fact that we did not detect any laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 transmission from asymptomatic case-patients is in line with multiple studies (9–11). However, Oran et al. have speculated that asymptomatic cases contribute to the rapid progression of the pandemic (12). Some studies may be prone to misclassify presymptomatic cases as asymptomatic, leading to heterogeneous reporting of SAR of asymptomatic cases, because of different case definitions or differential duration of follow-up. "

 

[Paradoxical]

No you didn't! You gave a few examples like the hair dresser and navy ship. You then tossed in the old " but the professionals recommend them"!

You haven't provided the necessary evidence because it doesn't exist!

Paradoxical explained to you the numbers! 8,000 times whats necessary to infect vs 10,000 with no mask! And this is with a single exhale! Next exhale and it goes up and up and up!

We both pointed out that masks needed to be properly fitted and of a certain material!

Finally I can't remember a single civilian with a properly fitted n95 or better mask in public! Not a single one out of thousands!

You and I are on the same page here and lonely people in a forest of ignorant morons. I have posted that I'm down with the N95s. As you so apt;y put to, no one wears them. One wonders why this is the case when our government that spends hundreds of billions on vaccines could commission companies to make N95s and had them out free and MANDATE them. Why not? They think they can mandate anything now in this new totalitarian atmosphere. For the hundreds of billions they spent they could have free N95s at every Home Depot, every gas station, every restaurant, anywhere.

They don't do it because, like Ivermectin and hydroxy, there is no money in it for their friends at Pfizer who (ahem) donates millions to them so they can fly all over and enjoy ridiculously high salaries and perks.

 

[Paradoxical]

Well the stink from farts is mostly from hydrogen sulfide gas which is similar in size to oxygen molecules so N95 masks won't stop you from smelling farts, but smoke particles are far larger and so will mostly get filter out by an N95 masks. But paper surgical masks or multilayered cloth masks won't stop tobacco smoke. Nor would wearing an N95 mask to exhale tobacco smoke stop many tiny smoke particles that may be similar in size to the aerosols respiratory viruses such as those that cause flu, colds, measles, or the Wuhan virus. So much for clothe and paper surgical masks being effective for "source control". They may stop some larger droplets but not many of the tiny aerosols responsible for the contagion of the Wuhan virus.

Knowing all this, it is mind bogging to witness the disconnect from others in the scientific and medical community who claim "masks work' in spite of a mountain of evidence that do not. I call it criminal.

 

[JerryW]

You haven't provided the necessary evidence because it doesn't exist!

The relevant info about the value of mask wearing during this pandemic has been shared numerous times.

Masks are ONE part of a strategy to greatly reduce the spread. They are not perfect. No one component is a perfect defense against Covid.

 

[Fledermaus]

The relevant info about the value of mask wearing during this pandemic has been shared numerous times.

Masks are ONE part of a strategy to greatly reduce the spread. They are not perfect. No one component is a perfect defense against Covid.

He does not care for facts.

 

[Fledermaus]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article

I'm not the one who needs an excerpt however I will return the favor.

"Conclusions​

In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients. Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission. The serial interval was short; very short intervals occurred.

The fact that we did not detect any laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 transmission from asymptomatic case-patients is in line with multiple studies (9–11). However, Oran et al. have speculated that asymptomatic cases contribute to the rapid progression of the pandemic (12). Some studies may be prone to misclassify presymptomatic cases as asymptomatic, leading to heterogeneous reporting of SAR of asymptomatic cases, because of different case definitions or differential duration of follow-up. "

Rapid quarantine of close contacts with or without symptoms is needed to prevent presymptomatic transmission.

 

[Daddyo]

Please use your expertise to explain Brownian motion and it's relevance to masks.

Don't care! In the study I quoted the virus escaped. How it moved out of the mask is irrelevant! How random slow or fast that movment was also irrelevant.

 

[Fledermaus]

Don't care! In the study I quoted the virus escaped. How it moved out of the mask is irrelevant! How random slow or fast that movment was also irrelevant.

Studies and real life examples prove you wrong.

 

[Daddyo]

The relevant info about the value of mask wearing during this pandemic has been shared numerous times.

Masks are ONE part of a strategy to greatly reduce the spread. They are not perfect. No one component is a perfect defense against Covid.

No you have not! Again saying you have share the relevant info many times without including the info is meaningless.

While I agree that there are effective strategies to help reduce covid spread, mask use, particularly crappy improper mask use, is not one of them.

 

[Fledermaus]

No you have not! Again saying you have share the relevant info many times without including the info is meaningless.

While I agree that there are effective strategies to help reduce covid spread, mask use, particularly crappy improper mask use, is not one of them.

Incorrect.

 

[Ethel2]

Incorrect.

Don’t feed the trolls!

 

[jaeger19]

Knowing all this, it is mind bogging to witness the disconnect from others in the scientific and medical community who claim "masks work' in spite of a mountain of evidence that do not. I call it criminal.

Umm the mountain of scientific evidence is that they do work as source control
It's been provided to you.

However.. I suggest if you want to try to educate these scientists...you be sure to give them your proof...that you can smell your own farts through a surgical mask!!!

Without a doubt that bit of scientific evidence will set the scientific community into a tizzy...why paradoxical..you may win a Nobel prize!!