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[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

Yes, and you very slyly avoided any mention of those who already had Covid. Why are you avoiding this so much? Doesn't go with your agenda?

Or maybe because you are afraid to admit the truth that it is very rare that those with NATURAL immunity bestowed on them when they already contracted Covidwill get the Delta variant.


I guess now we know why the CDC and the vaccs freaks fail to mention that all those who already had Covid don't need any vaccination. They keep this from the stoopid public who doesn't check.
Um no.. I did not avoid mention of those that already had covid. The studies point out that those that had covid.. were more likely to be reinfected than those that had the vaccine.

There are also studies that show that those that had covid.. AND have the vaccine.. have even more protection than those that had vaccine alone. (probably acts like a third booster).

So what we know.. that yes.. having covid gives you "NATURAL" immunity... which wanes over time and appears to be weaker than the immunity granted by vaccines. (though the vaccines also wane over time).

(by the way.. for those that say that well.. natural immunity is stronger... you need to remember that in those patients that had a weakened immune system.. getting the virus KILLED THEM...
That same type of patient that has the vaccine.. will have a weaker immune response.... because they have a weaker immune system.. however when they encounter the actual virus they are more likely to survive).

Those that have covid.. STILL need vaccination as their immunity wanes over time. and their immunity does not appear to be as strong as with vaccination.

The CDC isn;t keeping ANY of this a "secret"... honestly.. thats all in your mind. The CDC has been talking about natural immunity for a long time..
and has been telling people to still get vaccinated since that immunity wanes over time and we don;t know what level of immunity your may have gotten. When you get a vaccine.. you get an amount that has been PROVEN to illicit a certain amount of immune response.
With a natural infection? Who knows how much immunity your immune system mounted and how much it garnered? If you tested positive for covid.. but never had symptoms.. you may have little natural immunity because you didn;t have enough infection for your immune system to respond as well as it would with a vaccine.

Sorry dude.. but you just keep being proven wrong at every turn. You need to realize that and stop posting.
 
You do understand that being arrested and then being released into this country......IS being allowed in this country! 90 plus percent never show up for their court date! Are you naive or ignorant? Trump had illegals sent out of country to wait for the court date. Biden reversed that and started "catch and release" again! He welcomed them during the campaign and guess what they camp!

Biden is the perfect storm for illegal immigration!
Yeah.. wrong again dude.

Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.
https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/re...s-regularly-attend-immigration-court-hearings

It almost like you prefer to be wrong there Daddyo.
 
Another long post full of misinformation, hyperbole and Conspiracy theory nonsense.

For example the "government, hospitals, medical billing, lab technicians, and all other associated persons were in on falsely claiming people who died WITH covid died FROM covid!" claim sounds like 9/11 truthers who thought everyone was "in on it" in a massive cover up.

Poor Daddyo.

The only thing destroyed is what ever remained of your credibility.
I'm sorry that you are not capable of following a thread! As you have already have been schooled on THEY ADMITTED TO FUDGING THE NUMBERS!!!! It's no longer a question of if as they said they are doing it! Now if you had any comprehension skills at all you would have seen and absorbed jaeger19's rebuttal that for me to be right all those professionals I listed would have to be in on it. Now since government straight admitted it is being done any and all involved in that process MUST BE IN ON IT!!!!! ITS HAPPENING THEY AREN'T DENYING IT IN FACT THEY ARE ADMITTING IT!!!!!!!

HOPE THAT HELPED! I won't hold my breath lol.
 
I'm sorry that you are not capable of following a thread! As you have already have been schooled on THEY ADMITTED TO FUDGING THE NUMBERS!!!! It's no longer a question of if as they said they are doing it! Now if you had any comprehension skills at all you would have seen and absorbed jaeger19's rebuttal that for me to be right all those professionals I listed would have to be in on it. Now since government straight admitted it is being done any and all involved in that process MUST BE IN ON IT!!!!! ITS HAPPENING THEY AREN'T DENYING IT IN FACT THEY ARE ADMITTING IT!!!!!!!

HOPE THAT HELPED! I won't hold my breath lol.

Still screeching about week and a half old posts...

While stating I am not "capable of following a thread".

Laughable.

Your anti masker BS has been busted.
 
This will be the end of my participation in this thread! I might respond a few more times we shall see. I got so far behind in the thread and just can't keep up.

Anyway to Jeaget19,Fledermaus, snake,ethel, and any of the other opponents in this thread........this example is for you guys.

We went back and forth about mask efficacy! I posted several facts that prove they don't work and you guys kept crying militgation, doctors say so, and its better than nothing. So this example explains my point.

The CDC says masks stop 20 to 30 percent of virus from leaving the mask. The remaining virus being expelled is more than enough to infect. With each breath!

Ok Here it is..... You buy a condom! This condom allows 70 to 80 percent of semen to pass through it! You have sex with said condom. Your partner doesn't get pregnant. Was it because the condom mitigated 30 percent of that semen? Many times whats necessary to impregnate escapes but for whatever reason no pregnancy. Would you say the condom worked?

That's what we have been trying to explain!

Now to use this example to explain furthur.......two groups had sex. One group using those condoms and the other used no protection! Statistics showed almost zero difference in pregnancy between the two groups. Does this prove those condoms don't work?

Just as the comparison examples with and without masks showed statistically little difference.

If that doesn't help you guys, I give up! You guys are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. I have proven my point with evidence. You guys have not! The Cdc study says masks fail to prevent an infectious load of virus from leaving it with each breath. You readily agree and admit that the mask cannot stop virus from coming through when you say that masks are to prevent the sick from infecting the healthy. They can't keep the healthy safe is your admitted opinion. Why? Because they can't stop virus from getting through. Yet you fail to recognise my CDC study that shows the masks allow.virus to leave, why?

Anyway enjoyed kicking your butts! See you in the next one.
 
This will be the end of my participation in this thread! I might respond a few more times we shall see. I got so far behind in the thread and just can't keep up.

Anyway to Jeaget19,Fledermaus, snake,ethel, and any of the other opponents in this thread........this example is for you guys.

We went back and forth about mask efficacy! I posted several facts that prove they don't work and you guys kept crying militgation(sic), doctors say so, and its better than nothing. So this example explains my point.

The CDC says masks stop 20 to 30 percent of virus from leaving the mask. The remaining virus being expelled is more than enough to infect. With each breath!

Ok Here it is..... You buy a condom! This condom allows 70 to 80 percent of semen to pass through it! You have sex with said condom. Your partner doesn't get pregnant. Was it because the condom mitigated 30 percent of that semen? Many times whats necessary to impregnate escapes but for whatever reason no pregnancy. Would you say the condom worked?

That's what we have been trying to explain!

Now to use this example to explain furthur(sic).......two groups had sex. One group using those condoms and the other used no protection! Statistics showed almost zero difference in pregnancy between the two groups. Does this prove those condoms don't work?

Just as the comparison examples with and without masks showed statistically little difference.

If that doesn't help you guys, I give up! You guys are entitled to your opinion but not your own facts. I have proven my point with evidence. You guys have not! The Cdc study says masks fail to prevent an infectious load of virus from leaving it with each breath. You readily agree and admit that the mask cannot stop virus from coming through when you say that masks are to prevent the sick from infecting the healthy. They can't keep the healthy safe is your admitted opinion. Why? Because they can't stop virus from getting through. Yet you fail to recognise(sic) my CDC study that shows the masks allow.virus to leave, why?

Anyway enjoyed kicking you butts! See you in the next one.

Rote regurgitation of SOS (Same Old Shit)

You leave because you have nothing but the same old tired lies, distortions and intentional ignorance.
 
Rote regurgitation of SOS (Same Old Shit)

You leave because you have nothing but the same old tired lies, distortions and intentional ignorance.
Answer the questions! Rebut the evidence! You haven't to date! Instead you do the above. Its against forum rules to call you what you should be called. So I will just roll.

Bottom line is you say masks work! I gave you actual comparison evidence PROVING they don't! You responded to that data, that evidence, with name calling and personal attacks. Now in the walnut sized brain perhaps that's victory but to normal people you have been handed your ass.

Listen I don't blame you for not answering the questions. It takes courage to admit defeat. It takes courage to admit being fooled, which we both have been. So you take the cowardly route and just ignore the questions and say a few things in an attempt to lower my credibility. Classic liberal tactic BTW. Yet another tid bit of evidence that you are one.

So answer or lose!

#1 If masks work why does the comparison evidence show virtually zero difference?

#2 If masks release enough virus to infect with each breath, how are they working?

#3 If mask mitigation ability NEVER brings the viral load under infectious levels, how can you say they are working to mitigate?

#4 What evidence do you have that proves the slightly reduced viral load being expelled with each breath from an infected person is the reason the exposed don't become infected?

I numbered them to make it easy for you!
 
Answer the questions! Rebut the evidence! You haven't to date! Instead you do the above. Its against forum rules to call you what you should be called. So I will just roll.

Bottom line is you say masks work! I gave you actual comparison evidence PROVING they don't! You responded to that data, that evidence, with name calling and personal attacks. Now in the walnut sized brain perhaps that's victory but to normal people you have been handed your ass.

Listen I don't blame you for not answering the questions. It takes courage to admit defeat. It takes courage to admit being fooled, which we both have been. So you take the cowardly route and just ignore the questions and say a few things in an attempt to lower my credibility. Classic liberal tactic BTW. Yet another tid bit of evidence that you are one.

So answer or lose!

#1 If masks work why does the comparison evidence show virtually zero difference?

#2 If masks release enough virus to infect with each breath, how are they working?

#3 If mask mitigation ability NEVER brings the viral load under infectious levels, how can you say they are working to mitigate?

#4 What evidence do you have that proves the slightly reduced viral load being expelled with each breath from an infected person is the reason the exposed don't become infected?

I numbered them to make it easy for you!
You have been routinely schooled here by medical professionals both working and retired, and yet for some reason you consider only your stubbornly ignorant opinions to be correct. I never came across such arrogance in the face of incontrovertible facts.
 
Very few being sent back! Even criminals being allowed to stay.

Socioeconomic and covid were around during trumps tenure. The first is always a pressure! With all presidents in power as America is wealthy and safer. However this massive increase is solely a result of Biden's words and his policy! He told them to come during the campaign! He reversed trumps policy of sending illegals away until there court date. They even included illegals in many of the handouts! The mass onslaught at the border is a result of Biden.

But don't take my word. I'm just a DP partisan hack! Let's ask the actual people crossing the border.......which they have.........they all said Biden!

When you are told that there is very little statistical difference in the actual rates of infection between mask mandated venues and no mask mandated venues, what does that tell YOU? If masks worked as you suggested above, there would be a good difference in infection rates. There is almost none.

It tells intelligent people that masks changed nothing ie they didn't work!

Remember the CDC study on the KN95 "respirator".......so good they don't call them masks they call them respirators! Well that kn95 respirator can at no time reduce the load of virus being expelled by the sick wearer to UNDER what is necessary to infect another! Each exhale from a sick person, according to the CDC, contains enough virus to get someone infected! That's after it stops 20 to 30 percent of virus! There is still enough to sicken, WITH EACH BREATH!!!!! Probably why the stats show they don't work.

So keep living that pipe dream of kn95 efficacy lol.

The border issue, like Afghanistan, is another Biden blunder! Everything the guy touches turns to shit!

I don't get to watch Tucker Carlson much but you guys really need to! The complete and utter ignorance of these key issues by grown adults is alarming. Then you seek to argue/debate lol. Zero idea about what's happening at the border and zero knowledge about mask failures in actual comparison examples! Pathetic really.
"Very few being sent back!" That is a lie...
Maybe you need reminding what Title 42 is about...
 
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Did you know there is something called 'breakthrough infection'? Look it up.
I'm aware of that. So, they want us to wear masks that don't function as advertised, and they want us to trust them?

Seriously. Why are they withholding critical facts from the public?

The meteorological conditions matter as to the type of mask and how it is worn, if we want any effectiveness.

Indoor conditions matter as for ventilation, and like outdoors, temperature and humidity.

Face it. We are being lied to, and the number of people who trust in government is very frightening.
 
I'm aware of that. So they want us to wear masks that don't function as advertised, and they want us to trust them?

Seriously. Why are they withholding critical facts from the public?

The meteorological conditions matter as to the type of mask and how it is worn, if we want any effectiveness.

Indoor conditions matter as for ventilation, and like outdoors, temperature and humidity.

Face it. We are being lies to, and the number of people who trust in government is very frightening.
'Mitigation'. Like seat-belts; like bike helmets. Look it up. Nobody is lying to you except clueless morons like Tucker Carlson whom, no doubt, you worship as the font of all Covid-related knowledge. What "meteorological conditions"? Is this something else you dreamed up?
 
'Mitigation'. Like seat-belts; like bike helmets. Look it up. Nobody is lying to you except clueless morons like Tucker Carlson whom, no doubt, you worship as the font of all Covid-related knowledge. What "meteorological conditions"? Is this something else you dreamed up?
In most cases, the mitigation isn't enough to matter.

You fail to see my point.
 
Answer the questions! Rebut the evidence! You haven't to date! Instead you do the above. Its against forum rules to call you what you should be called. So I will just roll.

Bottom line is you say masks work! I gave you actual comparison evidence PROVING they don't! You responded to that data, that evidence, with name calling and personal attacks. Now in the walnut sized brain perhaps that's victory but to normal people you have been handed your ass.

Listen I don't blame you for not answering the questions. It takes courage to admit defeat. It takes courage to admit being fooled, which we both have been. So you take the cowardly route and just ignore the questions and say a few things in an attempt to lower my credibility. Classic liberal tactic BTW. Yet another tid bit of evidence that you are one.

So answer or lose!

#1 If masks work why does the comparison evidence show virtually zero difference?

#2 If masks release enough virus to infect with each breath, how are they working?

#3 If mask mitigation ability NEVER brings the viral load under infectious levels, how can you say they are working to mitigate?

#4 What evidence do you have that proves the slightly reduced viral load being expelled with each breath from an infected person is the reason the exposed don't become infected?

I numbered them to make it easy for you!
Daddyo, you and I have schooled this group for months now on the issue of masks. We have given them facts, data and even government admissions that masks don't really 'work". The fact that their own darling "Dr." Fausti said "they don't provide the protection that people think they do" means little to them because they are heavily invested in the belief. Have you ever debated Christians? If you are one.my apologies, but I did for decades. There is NOTHING you can tell them that will change their beliefs. The reason is that they have an investment in them. The belief alone gives them solace and comfort in this dangerous and uncertain world.

I equate the belief that masks "work" to the Christian claim that prayer "works". There has never been a more perfect analogy. I have heard a Christian say she prayed about her child doing poorly in school and"God" heard her prayers and her grades improved. When you get those sort of vague pronouncements of what "works" mean, you cannot carry on a logical debate with the other person. That is because their thought process has become Orwellian, as we have seen on display here in numerous threads over masks. Being Orwellian is almost like being Christian where YOU get to say what the meaning of words is and your Orwellian friends clap like seals in approval.

For instance, everyone sane would say that "works" that they mean that it achieves the desired result and that it stops you from getting Covid. That is the intent. But NOOOOOO. In their mind, "works" COULD mean sometime or maybe, or possibly that you MIGHT not give it to someone else, or that you MIGHT not get Covid, or you still could, and that it all depends on where you live and how old you are and if you are already sick, and, and, and................................

So, when we get a crowd like this who just claims the right to say what "works" really means, you cannot ever convince them they are wrong. I had a debate in a thread with Christians many moons ago about what they meant by prayer "works" that ran almost a thousand pages and their responses were all over the map ranging from it always works to it sometimes works to it depends on how you pray, whether it was Gods will. The qualifiers were maddening and very similar to the debate on this topic of what "works" means. Only one person who was very wise admitted that prayer was to help the individual define their problems and work out the solution and if they thought that was "God" what is the problem with that? It was a tacit admission on his part that there really was no God or Jesus stepping in to assist.

Humans need their placebos. That is why this crowd rails over masks. We are taking away their pacifiers and they will kick and scream until they are 30.
 
Answer the questions! Rebut the evidence! You haven't to date! Instead you do the above. Its against forum rules to call you what you should be called. So I will just roll.

Bottom line is you say masks work! I gave you actual comparison evidence PROVING they don't! You responded to that data, that evidence, with name calling and personal attacks. Now in the walnut sized brain perhaps that's victory but to normal people you have been handed your ass.

Listen I don't blame you for not answering the questions. It takes courage to admit defeat. It takes courage to admit being fooled, which we both have been. So you take the cowardly route and just ignore the questions and say a few things in an attempt to lower my credibility. Classic liberal tactic BTW. Yet another tid bit of evidence that you are one.

So answer or lose!

#1 If masks work why does the comparison evidence show virtually zero difference?

#2 If masks release enough virus to infect with each breath, how are they working?

#3 If mask mitigation ability NEVER brings the viral load under infectious levels, how can you say they are working to mitigate?

#4 What evidence do you have that proves the slightly reduced viral load being expelled with each breath from an infected person is the reason the exposed don't become infected?

I numbered them to make it easy for you!

Another digital regurgitation....

You have been shown ad nauseum evidence for the efficacy of masks.

You prefer to remain ignorant. The more you are shown, the more you dig your heels in.

You are the epitome of the saying "You can teach them but you can't learn them".

You fear being under some nebulous "control" by an equally nebulous "them" when it in medical professionals world wide asking people be masked.
 
Daddyo, you and I have schooled this group for months now on the issue of masks. We have given them facts, data and even government admissions that masks don't really 'work". The fact that their own darling "Dr." Fausti said "they don't provide the protection that people think they do" means little to them because they are heavily invested in the belief. Have you ever debated Christians? If you are one.my apologies, but I did for decades. There is NOTHING you can tell them that will change their beliefs. The reason is that they have an investment in them. The belief alone gives them solace and comfort in this dangerous and uncertain world.

I equate the belief that masks "work" to the Christian claim that prayer "works". There has never been a more perfect analogy. I have heard a Christian say she prayed about her child doing poorly in school and"God" heard her prayers and her grades improved. When you get those sort of vague pronouncements of what "works" mean, you cannot carry on a logical debate with the other person. That is because their thought process has become Orwellian, as we have seen on display here in numerous threads over masks. Being Orwellian is almost like being Christian where YOU get to say what the meaning of words is and your Orwellian friends clap like seals in approval.

For instance, everyone sane would say that "works" that they mean that it achieves the desired result and that it stops you from getting Covid. That is the intent. But NOOOOOO. In their mind, "works" COULD mean sometime or maybe, or possibly that you MIGHT not give it to someone else, or that you MIGHT not get Covid, or you still could, and that it all depends on where you live and how old you are and if you are already sick, and, and, and................................

So, when we get a crowd like this who just claims the right to say what "works" really means, you cannot ever convince them they are wrong. I had a debate in a thread with Christians many moons ago about what they meant by prayer "works" that ran almost a thousand pages and their responses were all over the map ranging from it always works to it sometimes works to it depends on how you pray, whether it was Gods will. The qualifiers were maddening and very similar to the debate on this topic of what "works" means. Only one person who was very wise admitted that prayer was to help the individual define their problems and work out the solution and if they thought that was "God" what is the problem with that? It was a tacit admission on his part that there really was no God or Jesus stepping in to assist.

Humans need their placebos. That is why this crowd rails over masks. We are taking away their pacifiers and they will kick and scream until they are 30.

You haven't "schooled" anyone.
 
You still don't understand.
I understand entirely; it's you who has decided that face masks don't work. Tell me, why is it that in the Southeast Asian nations where masks are habitually and culturally worn, and restrictions were strictly adhered to, rates of death and infections were extremely small?
I posted this before. You should read the links again and leave your partisan prejudice aside for once.
 
That is why no one uses helmets, vests, gloves, eye protection, etc.
What good is any of that protection if the possible projectile is a bullet? You only need a leather vest if you are welding, but that leather vest is ineffective for a bullet.

Eye protection for example will protect what they were designed to protect against.

Masks will protect against what they are designed to protect against. We are using inadequate masks, and too many people think they are safe.

Improperly worn masks are not designed to protect against long lived aerosols in the air. Most masks people use will still pass a significant amount of the aerosolized virus. If a mask stops 50% of the aerosols 0.3 microns and smaller, completely trapping the larger ones, but if 20% remain from people's activities. That 20% if it survives for more than a few seconds can easily infect others. That same mask when it doesn't tightly seal against the face, is even less effective.

For a simple cloth covering to be effective, the air conditions need to be such that the aerosolized form of the virus dies in about 10 seconds or less, and in this case, the social distancing is just as effective.

Most conditions allow the arosolized form to live long enough that only a properly worn mask that effectively filters smaller aerosols is effective.
 
What good is any of that protection if the possible projectile is a bullet? You only need a leather vest if you are welding, but that leather vest is ineffective for a bullet.

Eye protection for example will protect what they were designed to protect against.

Masks will protect against what they are designed to protect against. We are using inadequate masks, and too many people think they are safe.

Improperly worn masks are not designed to protect against long lived aerosols in the air. Most masks people use will still pass a significant amount of the aerosolized virus. If a mask stops 50% of the aerosols 0.3 microns and smaller, completely trapping the larger ones, but if 20% remain from people's activities. That 20% if it survives for more than a few seconds can easily infect others. That same mask when it doesn't tightly seal against the face, is even less effective.

For a simple cloth covering to be effective, the air conditions need to be such that the aerosolized form of the virus dies in about 10 seconds or less, and in this case, the social distancing is just as effective.

Most conditions allow the arosolized form to live long enough that only a properly worn mask that effectively filters smaller aerosols is effective.
Stupid post. What use are bulletproof vests against a bullet in the head? Cops should stop wearing them, right?
 
I understand entirely; it's you who has decided that face masks don't work. Tell me, why is it that in the Southeast Asian nations where masks are habitually and culturally worn, and restrictions were strictly adhered to, rates of death and infections were extremely small?
I posted this before. You should read the links again and leave your partisan prejudice aside for once.
Without a scientific study to understand why, it is meaningless. It is likely in my view, that the population in Asia already has a resistance to similar viruses. Other people suspect the reported numbers are wrong.

The virus originated in Asia. Like when our early explorers traveled to the Americas, a significant numbers of the natives died because the explorers brought in pathogens that the natives had no immunity to. Doesn't it stand to reason, that Asians have already developed at least a resistance to Covid-19?
 
Without a scientific study to understand why, it is meaningless. It is likely in my view, that the population in Asia already has a resistance to similar viruses. Other people suspect the reported numbers are wrong.

The virus originated in Asia. Like when our early explorers traveled to the Americas, a significant numbers of the natives died because the explorers brought in pathogens that the natives had no immunity to. Doesn't it stand to reason, that Asians have already developed at least a resistance to Covid-19?
No, those Asian nations already experienced what pandemics can do and prepared themselves-learning from experience. Your "view" is meaningless.
 
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