[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

[Paradoxical]

Actually the pharmacist also knows what drugs are to be used with what diagnosis, and what risks and benefits those drugs have.
The pharmacist new that what the doctor was prescribing was contraindicated for covid. There was risks of the Hydroxychloroquine with no benefit...
Which is why the pharmacist questioned it in the first place.. as he should. He then should have ethically and legally refused to fill the prescription. Instead.. he likely simply bowed to the money.. and instead of causing problems with the referral source (the prescribing doctor).... so he let it go.

As far as question if he is catholic? Nope.. but thats not an equivalent situation in which a person is being prescribed a drug for a diagnosis for which there is no known benefit, but said drug has significant risk.

Should a pharmacist question a strong opioid being prescribed for athletes foot?

A pharmacist is to keep his left-wing OPINIONS to himself.

 

[Daddyo]

Do you know the difference between a Malaria parasite and a virus? Clearly not. Here are some non-'leftist' sources you might want to consider...

Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19

The trial began after lab studies and preliminary reports suggested that hydroxychloroquine might have promise in treating SARS-CoV-2.

www.nih.gov

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Stay up to date with the latest heart health news. Plus, our experts debunk misleading health claims in the media and online.

www.bhf.org.uk

Effect of pre-exposure use of hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19 mortality: a population-based cohort study in patients with rheumatoid arthritis or systemic lupus erythematosus using the OpenSAFELY platform

We found no evidence of a difference in COVID-19 mortality among people who received hydroxychloroquine for treatment of rheumatological disease before the COVID-19 outbreak in England. Therefore, completion of randomised trials investigating pre-exposure prophylactic use of hydroxychloroquine...

www.thelancet.com

Why is the malaria parasite med used to treat Lupus? Do you know the difference between Malaria and lupus? Clearly not!

It's really not fun debating with you guys. Your ignorance of this subject and general lack of intelligence just makes it unfair and boring frankly.

See someone with intelligence would think before tossing out the jab! Someone with even the slightest knowledge of hydroxychloroquine would know that it is used to treat lupus because of its anti inflammatory properties. Having more than one use would make for a very easy slap down of your jab and prove you are clueless. Still you toss insults as if you are an expert in the field lol. It's a joke that's not funny.

Your links are to the known problems with treating covid with hydroxychloroquine. Once hospitalized the drug is not very effective and can cause more problems due to the weakened heart.

When used properly, which is early in the disease, it is effective. Early estimates are 14 percent better survival rates which amounts to 87,000 Americans that would still be with us if not for you and your ilk.

 

[Daddyo]

Yes. Lots of dangerous drugs are used all the time. When an educated medical provider determines the benefits outweigh the risks to the patient.
Not when an ignorant patient demands a dangerous drug that will provide them zero benefit.
The evidence is clear that hydroxychloroquine has no significant benefit for covid 19.

Bull crap! I posted the evidence. 14 percent better survival rates. Educate yourself doctor lol.

50 plus years of use for that "dangerous" drug lol! World wide no less! Nations biggest lupus practice with thousands of patients and decades of history with nearly ZERO heart or other negative reactions from hydroxychloroquine. Yet you spout that garbage. If you are a doctor, and I highly doubt it, you sound like a political hack more concerned with politics than patient health. A stubborn old buzzard who doesn't want to be proven wrong and willing to allow patients to suffer and possibly die to save that face.

Research doc! Try it.

 

[Daddyo]

Two?
Sure.

1. He failed to ensure that our hospital workers had enough PPE in early February even though he knew what was coming
2. He failed to model good behavior after it became apparent that masks were going to be helpful in mitigating the spread of the virus

Want more?
There’s lots more

Bull crap! Fauci and others advised trump that masks aren't very effective. Which they aren't.

Also advised in February or March by the midget that we had nothing to fear over covid in our country!

And STILL produce everything we needed to battle the virus in record times and this was verified by the pieces of crap who run new york and California. Both tyrants saying publicly that they lacked for NOTHING thanks to the federal governments response!

Try again with some actual examples instead of this regurgitated nonsense that plays 24-7 on fake news channels.

More yes more. Real this time. Not so easily rebutted with facts.

 

[Daddyo]

Got a link to prove that?
Or did you just make it up.
I know a lot of doctors and no one would prescribe something that is known not to work unless a patient is dying and has nothing left to try

Yes and already provided it! Easy to find if you looked lol. Do you all EVER research a subject EVER?

 

[Daddyo]

Ummm…a KN95 mask blocks 95% of particles over a certain size.
And yes, the aerosols the virus are riding around in are much larger than that certain size.

Yet the CDC says that mask allows 70 to 80 percent of exhaled virus to leave the mask WITH EACH BREATH! Works great!

 

[Daddyo]

And we're still fighting dumb asses who won't be safe or won't get vaccinated.

Other countries now know one of our major weaknesses.

Many of them voted for Biden. Calling blacks dumb asses can get you beat up, banned from social media, and called a racist!

 

[Paradoxical]

Why is the malaria parasite med used to treat Lupus? Do you know the difference between Malaria and lupus? Clearly not!

It's really not fun debating with you guys. Your ignorance of this subject and general lack of intelligence just makes it unfair and boring frankly.

See someone with intelligence would think before tossing out the jab! Someone with even the slightest knowledge of hydroxychloroquine would know that it is used to treat lupus because of its anti inflammatory properties. Having more than one use would make for a very easy slap down of your jab and prove you are clueless. Still you toss insults as if you are an expert in the field lol. It's a joke that's not funny.

Your links are to the known problems with treating covid with hydroxychloroquine. Once hospitalized the drug is not very effective and can cause more problems due to the weakened heart.

When used properly, which is early in the disease, it is effective. Early estimates are 14 percent better survival rates which amounts to 87,000 Americans that would still be with us if not for you and your ilk.

Daddyo, this is what the left has subconsciously learned from what is going on in society today, which is how to write and talk around what someone has said to divert people's attention away from the ball. When you watch the liberal talking heads called "news" reporters, almost all of whom have zero training in journalism or read the fact-checkers for FB and Twitter, one thing stands out prominently for the seasoned observer and that is that they talk about something OTHER than the topic at hand. Such as snake here posting a link on hospitalized patients when you have always said that hydroxy is effective when used early on. They want the reader to be diverted because they know most people won't research and investigate. They will read a headline as snake posted, and that's it. Note that as usual snakestretcher did not include any excerpt.

 

[Daddyo]

Your survey happened before it was proven that HDQ is ineffective.
Hey—I would prescribe it as a last resort to a terminally ill person too.
Perhaps that was the question asked of those doctors.
Do you know how the survey was framed?

Don't care how it was framed.

It was also before the new information and successes when used early.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yet the CDC says that mask allows 70 to 80 percent of exhaled virus to leave the mask WITH EACH BREATH! Works great!

Remember, daddyo the claim is that "masks help to slow the spread"

This is like a Nostradamus prediction that is so vague that you could make it into anything you want. When challenged on that claim, I get anger and insults and no answer really. when I ask what "slow the spread" means they say against coughs and sneezes. When I ask when anyone ever did that to them, they run away. They claim they are all about science but they are in a cult of belief, like some evangelical wearing a sandwich board and yelling "The end is nigh....repent!"

 

[Daddyo]

Kay Ivey has it right.
She said that the unvaccinated are responsible for the current surge in cases. Specifically she said they are “to blame”.

Then they will suffer the consequences for their actions and choices! Get your shots and shut up! Leave others alone. You are safe according to YOU. If you want even more safety put your cheese cloth mask back on.

Why continue to pound away when you can get vaccinated? Masks are so damned good you should be fine RIGHT?

LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE ALREADY! If they get sick and beat it they are immune! If they don't they are dead! You are not effected either way since you have your shots and masks lol.

 

[Daddyo]

Yet you've provided no retort to the simple fact that a reduction is still better than full exposure. I've never stated that masks fully block or prevent people from getting the disease; only that they are an added layer to the mitigation measures in place. For some reason you keep presenting a counter argument to one I'm not making.

Infectious level exposure with every breath is not mitigating the risk, sorry!

 

[Daddyo]

All that blathering only indicates you can't grasp the basics of why masks were mandated.....

"I FELT like the mask was doing the most good to protect myself"

From the early days of the pandemic the recommendation to wear masks was not to protect YOU.

Yet post after post you bleat about the inability to protect YOU.

Dunning meet Kruger.

That was said to shed light on why doctors recommend and many people wear masks. It makes them feel protected.

Since they allow 70 to 80 percent of virus to exit and potentially infect others they don't work in either role.

Put another way that perhaps you might finally comprehend......at no time can a mask prevent you from being exposed to enough virus to get you sick!!!!!!!!!

Why you dont get sick from that exposure while the guy next to you does is a mystery. Was it the slightly reduced viral load? Prove it! Was is something else? Prove it! You cannot! We do know you are being exposed every stinking time!

 

[Paradoxical]

Infectious level exposure with every breath is not mitigating the risk, sorry!

It seems that many here just won't admit what they mean by "masks work" and leave it intentionally vague so they can't be called to task on it. We have seen all over the world now that masks simply do NOT work, with drastic INCREASES in infections in states and countries that put the mask mandates back on or never dropped them in the first place. The response by the left-wing cultist believers??

"Oh, it would have been worse" with not one ounce of proof of "More people would have gotten it" when the increase in infections in masked areas is off the charts.

IOW, they cannot point to a single example of masks working. WHEN they are forced to answer. they sheepishly admit something like "If just one person out of 10 thousand doesn't get infected, that is good"

 

[jaeger19]

Bull crap! I posted the evidence. 14 percent better survival rates. Educate yourself doctor lol.

50 plus years of use for that "dangerous" drug lol! World wide no less! Nations biggest lupus practice with thousands of patients and decades of history with nearly ZERO heart or other negative reactions from hydroxychloroquine. Yet you spout that garbage. If you are a doctor, and I highly doubt it, you sound like a political hack more concerned with politics than patient health. A stubborn old buzzard who doesn't want to be proven wrong and willing to allow patients to suffer and possibly die to save that face.

Research doc! Try it.

Yes.. you posted one study. As I said. there is a plethora of better and later studies.. one of which I linked to.. that showed that there was no statistical benefit on survival etc. The overwhelming evidence so far is that hydroxychloroquine has no statistically significant effect either in early or late stages of covid.

Yes.. 50 plus years of a dangerous drug. Exactly. We have many such drugs that have been around for years that are very very dangerous. And those drugs are used but used with caution. Hydroxychloroquine is not as dangerous as the ones I am speaking about.. but it has its risks particularly for cardiomyopathy.

Sorry dude but the research simply doesn;t support your premise.

The only person here that is a "stubborn old buzzard"... seems to be you that doesn;t have a clue about medicine.. risks vs benefits. and how research works. You have been proven wrong time and time again.. yet.. you refuse to see reality.

 

[jaeger19]

A pharmacist is to keep his left-wing OPINIONS to himself.

It has nothing to do with left wing.
It has to do with medicine and the law.

FACT: There is little to no evidence to support the use of hydroxychloroquine in any stage of covid infection.
FACT: There are serious risks involved with the use of hydroxychloroquine including but not limited to cardiomyopathy.
FACT: Physicians are legally and ethically required to do "no harm".. to patients like writing prescriptions for drugs that there is no reasonable expectation of benefit and there is substantial risk to the patient.
FACT: Pharmacists are legally and ethically required to evaluate a patients prescription to make sure its appropriate and safe for the patient.

 

[Paradoxical]

It has nothing to do with left wing.
It has to do with medicine and the law.

FACT: There is little to no evidence to support the use of hydroxychloroquine in any stage of covid infection.
FACT: There are serious risks involved with the use of hydroxychloroquine including but not limited to cardiomyopathy.
FACT: Physicians are legally and ethically required to do "no harm".. to patients like writing prescriptions for drugs that there is no reasonable expectation of benefit and there is substantial risk to the patient.
FACT: Pharmacists are legally and ethically required to evaluate a patients prescription to make sure its appropriate and safe for the patient.

There is plenty of evidence that hydroxy in combination with other drugs DOES help in the earlystages. Stop lying.

 

[rickc]

Wow!

Guess your mind is made up. Hope you are stocked up. Delta variant is coming for you!

 

[Ethel2]

Bull crap! Fauci and others advised trump that masks aren't very effective. Which they aren't.

Also advised in February or March by the midget that we had nothing to fear over covid in our country!

And STILL produce everything we needed to battle the virus in record times and this was verified by the pieces of crap who run new york and California. Both tyrants saying publicly that they lacked for NOTHING thanks to the federal governments response!

Try again with some actual examples instead of this regurgitated nonsense that plays 24-7 on fake news channels.

More yes more. Real this time. Not so easily rebutted with facts.

So you believe that masks aren’t helpful. Then I guess healthcare workers shouldn’t bother with them. Is that about right?
You do realize that the was a critical shortage of PPE ( which in your warped view of reality wasn’t necessary anyway) in February and March-to the point that front line workers had to REUSE their PPE (a big no no in infection control)- and that this happened on the jackass’ watch. You understand this, right?

 

[Ethel2]

Yes and already provided it! Easy to find if you looked lol. Do you all EVER research a subject EVER?

I research things I don’t know. Fortunately medicine is my field of expertise. Whats yours? Fomenting conspiracy theories and lies?

 

[jaeger19]

There is plenty of evidence that hydroxy in combination with other drugs DOES help in the earlystages. Stop lying.

Nope.. sorry there is not.

 

[Ethel2]

Then they will suffer the consequences for their actions and choices! Get your shots and shut up! Leave others alone. You are safe according to YOU. If you want even more safety put your cheese cloth mask back on.

Why continue to pound away when you can get vaccinated? Masks are so damned good you should be fine RIGHT?

LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE ALREADY! If they get sick and beat it they are immune! If they don't they are dead! You are not effected either way since you have your shots and masks lol.

Actually I have come to that point: lets the covidiots get sick and die, which they will do very soon. In the meantime they should have their privileges restricted so that kids and immune compromised people are protected. I favor no admission to any public venue whatsoever without proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test.
Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[Ethel2]

Don't care how it was framed.

It was also before the new information and successes when used early.

I will not debate the fact that both HDQ and Ivermectin are useless in treating Covid at any stage of disease.
I don’t debate facts

 

[Ethel2]

Yet the CDC says that mask allows 70 to 80 percent of exhaled virus to leave the mask WITH EACH BREATH! Works great!

Even if thats true (and I need a link as proof as I don’t believe anything you write) that means that there is 20-30% less transmission.
Lets say we KNEW seatbelts save lives in 30% of collisions. Is it worth wearing one? Or does something have to save lives 100% of the time to make it worthwhile?

 

[Paradoxical]

Nope.. sorry there is not.

You are woefully unread for an alleged doctor.