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[W:4,590] Study Finds Face Masks Didn’t Slow Spread Of Covid-19

Fledermaus said:
Begging?

:ROFLMAO:

I believe non scientific BS should be countered when seen.

You are just one of many prattling nonsense.

If you don't like it, get science. Who knows. You may like it.
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We are here countering the BS that you guys are pushing! You constantly claim that masks work when the SCIENCE SAYS THEY CANNOT STOP ENOUGH VIRAL LOAD TO PREVENT INFECTION! This means that you are being exposed with the mask on every time you pass an infected individual OR everytime you enter an area with floating virus. The infected persons masks cannot keep an infectious viral load from escaping nor can it keep virus out.

You like me have been duped! I studied the science and realized the lie pretty early on. You OTOH remain ignorant of the science. Then you have the co John's to call us flat earthers lol.
 
Daddyo said:
We are here countering the BS that you guys are pushing! You constantly claim that masks work when the SCIENCE SAYS THEY CANNOT STOP ENOUGH VIRAL LOAD TO PREVENT INFECTION! This means that you are being exposed with the mask on every time you pass an infected individual OR everytime you enter an area with floating virus. The infected persons masks cannot keep an infectious viral load from escaping nor can it keep virus out.

You like me have been duped! I studied the science and realized the lie pretty early on. You OTOH remain ignorant of the science. Then you have the co John's to call us flat earthers lol.
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Do you believe the mask mandate and wearing of masks was to protect YOU or to protect YOU from others?
 
Ethel2 said:
I will not debate the FACT that masks reduce but do not eliminate transmission. Those who disagree should be silenced because they are part of the problem not part of the solution. You wear a mask when required: bully for you. No extra credit for doing the right thing. Covidiots who refuse to wear a mask when required are rightfully called maskholes. They should be isolated from society until the pandemic is over. Same with the covidiots who refuse vaccination without a medical excuse. Duterte has it right: he said he would arrest anyone who refuses vaccination.
If you are afraid too bad. No one is making you be afraid; thats on you. The normal people here have a healthy respect for the virus and insist that everything possible be done to lessen its impact-things like requiring vaccination as a condition of employment and requiring (and enforcing) masks and other scientifically proven mitigation measures.
Glad to hear that you are behaving yourself in public, albeit grudgingly so.

Complain all you want. Talk is cheap. Just behave yourself in public.
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Wow!!!! Arrest those who refuse to be test bunnies!

I wonder how you, a TDS sufferer, would feel about trump forcing ANYTHING into your body much less a lightly tested vaccine using a brand new technology lol.


And I promise you no one will force me to be injected with anything.
 
Ethel2 said:
This is not a discussion about the Clintons. I won’t allow you to change the subject no matter how convenient it might be for you.
I was educating you about why Walmart can stay open but your local flower shop can’t during necessary lockdowns.
If your flower shop also sold food as part of their business they too would be permitted to remain open.
Is it clear yet?
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So as the customers remain longer in Walmart selling those non essential items they are filling the store with virus for the same items that got smaller store closed. Is that clear yet?

Furthur you have just put the florist out of business forever and allowed a competitor to sell the same non essential crap. Is that clear yet?

Selling anything non essential means more risk. We closed non essential businesses to reduce risk. Logically for safety and in the interest of fairness, all non essential items should have been illegal to sell IF CLOSING WAS FORCED!
 
Ethel2 said:
Wrong
The link I provided showed that kids are 60% MORE likely to spread the virus but aren’t as likely to get seriously ill from it.
This is from WedMD, a respected medical blog I subscribe to:

www.webmd.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview

COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com
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To family members!!!!! Lol read you link. My link sites Kids in general not kids and parents specifically. Parents are forced to care for the youngster increasing exposure. What this does prove is that your pathetic stupid worthless masks, like we said, did nothing.
 
Daddyo said:
So as the customers remain longer in Walmart selling those non essential items they are filling the store with virus for the same items that got smaller store closed. Is that clear yet?

Furthur you have just put the florist out of business forever and allowed a competitor to sell the same non essential crap. Is that clear yet?

Selling anything non essential means more risk. We closed non essential businesses to reduce risk. Logically for safety and in the interest of fairness, all non essential items should have been illegal to sell IF CLOSING WAS FORCED!
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Lockdowns happened in nearly every country in the world. You think you are right and everyone else is wrong. Guess what. You aren’t.
Lockdowns are a reality. Deal with it.
 
Ethel2 said:
I thought you were vaccinated.
Covidiots who refuse vaccination without a good excuse are ALL part of the problem. No exceptions.
Wouldn’t you agree?
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I am vaccinated. I was making a point.

If someone refuses the vaccine they can suffer the infection. You have no right making that decision for them. No I dont agree.

Any and all who fear the non vaccinated can themselves be vaccinated. Might rain on your authority parade though.
 
Daddyo said:
To family members!!!!! Lol read you link. My link sites Kids in general not kids and parents specifically. Parents are forced to care for the youngster increasing exposure. What this does prove is that your pathetic stupid worthless masks, like we said, did nothing.
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I guess you don’t understand that kids mostly hang out with family members, which is why they are 60% more likely to spread it to family members. Do you think that there is something special about family members that increases transmission? Perhaps family members have tentacles that make them more susceptible. Is that it?
Its PROXIMITY that counts, not whether or not you are related.
Get real. There’s nothing special about family members besides thats where the kids hang out, especially with the necessary lockdowns.

Just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t make them less true.
 
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Daddyo said:
I am vaccinated. I was making a point.

If someone refuses the vaccine they can suffer the infection. You have no right making that decision for them. No I dont agree.

Any and all who fear the non vaccinated can themselves be vaccinated. Might rain on your authority parade though.
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Good for you! You did the right thing!
Now let’s make sure everyone else does the right thing too so that the kids under 12 are safe, that the immunocompromised are safe, and to minimize the chance that an escape variant won’t develop!
Go talk to your friends and neighbors. Do something positive!
 
Ethel2 said:
Until one of you comes up with a solution to the problem of where to place these LTC residents once they were stable and ready to be discharged from an acute care hospital none of you has any basis on which to complain about Cuomos decision. Its just whining for whinings sake.
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DeSantis did it.....look!
 
jaeger19 said:
No you didn't. You provided a link that stated the deaths and rates of illness among children. You did not provide a link that says kids aren;t big spreaders. you quoted something.. but what you linked to.. didn;t have that quote in it.
AND I and Ethel.. actually provided links on newer science.. that children are a source of spread.
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https://www.contagionlive.com/view/children-not-super-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2

For the third time! You are wrong again. Yes I did!
 
Daddyo said:
DeSantis did it.....look!
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DeSantis cooked the books. You know the saying about data: garbage in, garbage out.
Next try at an answer?
 
jaeger19 said:
I am not worried about getting covid. I am worried for all my patients who cannot get vaccinated yet or may never be vaccinated because of the medical problems they have which precludes them having the vaccine (largely because their immune system is so low.. that they may not mount a response that gives them immunity). I worry because of the virus is mutating quickly in non vaccinated people such as yourself. And having people like you.. continue to be a petri dish for the virus.. will help the virus mutate and become a stronger version that is more deadly and may be resistant to current vaccination.. sending us BACK into a deadly pandemic without a vaccine.
I worry because anti vaxxers like you.. while you talk a big game of how tough you are,,, I have seen what you become when you get covid and end up in the hospital on a ventilator.. and suddenly... you aint so tough anymore. Suddenly its not "just the old people die"...when you have to discuss whether you want to be put on a ventilator and have it breath for you.
And so you anti vaxxers.. will continue to get sick and clog the medical system. Probably in seasons... like this fall/winter.. and then the medical system will possibly AGAIN.. have to make decisions on who we treat.. and so someone like my dad.. will have to delay his hip surgery.. because anti vaxxers like you are taking up hospital staff time and beds.
You don;t have a clue what you are talking about.
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I'm vaccinated einstein!

Get vaccinated or stay away from people. I don't have to risk a new technology vaccine only slightly tested for your patients.

And I used myself as an example only. I took the vaccine. Had my second dose april 14th. Did it for my own reasons and of my own free will.

Medical.centers are not clogged. The sky is not falling.
 
Ethel2 said:
That’s because you have a responsibility to the society in which you live as well as a personal responsibility. Its not just about YOU. That attitude is despicable.
Get vaccinated!

“ Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.”
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I am vaccinated! I dont have a responsibility to you or anyone else to take a lightly tested vaccine that uses new technology. I chose to take it.

If someone decides not to thats fine. They must live or die with that decision.

They can't effect you or any other shot nazi.
 
Daddyo said:
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/children-not-super-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2

Apparently you are wrong. You lose the bet lol.
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Nope
This is from WebMD:

“ THURSDAY, Jan. 21, 2021 (HealthDay News) -- While children are less susceptible to illness with the new coronavirus, they are nearly 60% more likely than adults over 60 to infect other family members when they are sick, a new study shows.”

Kids are AT LEAST as likely to transmit the virus.
And this is from your own link. They weren’t able to conclude anything in your weak link; they recommended further study. Its just a HYPOTHESIS. Do you know what a hypothesis is?

“ Further epidemiological studies are needed to confirm this exploratory hypothesis.”
 
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Ethel2 said:
Do you even read your own links?
YOU wear a mask primarily to protect ME; I wear a mask primarily to protect YOU. Thats the reason we wear masks. Thats what we doctors have been saying since the beginning of the pandemic. Its what Governor Cuomo said repeatedly too. Masks offer only mild protection for the wearer.

This is what is in your own link:

“ Fauci wrote: "Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.”

Doesn’t sound to me like he is saying “masks don’t work “, wouldn’t you agree?
Pretty sad when you are refuted by your own link.
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"Fauci Said Masks 'Not Really Effective in Keeping Out Virus,' Email Reveals"

"Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in February 2020 that store-bought face masks would not be very effective at protecting against the COVID-19 pandemic and advised a traveler not to wear one.
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From my link. Also Fauci. What's sad is that you can accuse me so easily without reading the link. Cowardly act really.
 
Daddyo said:
"Fauci Said Masks 'Not Really Effective in Keeping Out Virus,' Email Reveals"

"Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in February 2020 that store-bought face masks would not be very effective at protecting against the COVID-19 pandemic and advised a traveler not to wear one.
"

From my link. Also Fauci. What's sad is that you can accuse me so easily without reading the link. Cowardly act really.
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They aren’t intended to protect the wearer as Dr Fauci pointed out.
YOU wear a mask to protect ME; I wear a mask to protect YOU.
Try to remember that.
 
Daddyo said:
We are here countering the BS that you guys are pushing! You constantly claim that masks work when the SCIENCE SAYS THEY CANNOT STOP ENOUGH VIRAL LOAD TO PREVENT INFECTION! This means that you are being exposed with the mask on every time you pass an infected individual OR everytime you enter an area with floating virus. The infected persons masks cannot keep an infectious viral load from escaping nor can it keep virus out.

You like me have been duped! I studied the science and realized the lie pretty early on. You OTOH remain ignorant of the science. Then you have the co John's to call us flat earthers lol.
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You aren't countering anything.
Please explain why your medical providers..your community medical providers and your state medical providers..basically the vast vast majority of medical providers recommend wearing masks to decrease the spread of covid.
Please explain..why..if according to you the science says masks don't work.
 
Daddyo said:
I am vaccinated! I dont have a responsibility to you or anyone else to take a lightly tested vaccine that uses new technology. I chose to take it.

If someone decides not to thats fine. They must live or die with that decision.

They can't effect you or any other shot nazi.
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Yes they can.
If you become immunosuppressed..you can get covid..because though the vaccination tells your immune system what to look for and fight..if it can't fight the virus because it's too weak..you will get sick.
In addition..if those unvaccinated conti up to create variants..they can create a variant that will kill you despite the vaccine.
 
jaeger19 said:
Well ..look you finally did..
But..your evidence is already outdated by newer better research that shows that children are good spreaders to family members.
Ethel already presented it.
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That has been the case with most infectious disease. However once a child spreads the virus to their siblings herd immunity kicks in. These children are not dying from this virus. Most parents of children are usually young adults and also resilient to the virus. Again herd immunity among these young adults and children means they should have gone on with their lives. There was never any need to put their lives on hold. Natural selection I believe is the reason for this.

Now us old farts need to protect ourselves and isolate until a vaccine makes it safe for us to reenter society. If we had focused on protecting those most vulnerable the death toll I believe could have been cut in half. Nobody I know that is elderly which would be most of my circle of friends contracted the virus. We simply took precautions and acted responsibly. A lot of us worked all through this pandemic but we stayed clear of the young adults and children who had little to worry about when it came to this pandemic. Anyone who took a look around saw that most of these young children and their parents did not follow the guidelines that us old people needed to follow. Why should they?
 
Daddyo said:
To family members!!!!! Lol read you link. My link sites Kids in general not kids and parents specifically. Parents are forced to care for the youngster increasing exposure. What this does prove is that your pathetic stupid worthless masks, like we said, did nothing.
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Post after post of intentional ignorance.
 
Daddyo said:
"Fauci Said Masks 'Not Really Effective in Keeping Out Virus,' Email Reveals"

"Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in February 2020 that store-bought face masks would not be very effective at protecting against the COVID-19 pandemic and advised a traveler not to wear one.
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From my link. Also Fauci. What's sad is that you can accuse me so easily without reading the link. Cowardly act really.
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For the Nth time....

Do you believe the mask mandate and wearing of masks was to protect YOU or to protect YOU from others?
 
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