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[W:#310]Any person who uses any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception shall be fined not less than fifty'

Even devout Catholic countries like Ireland have repealed the part of their constitution that outlaws abortion. Why must US right wingers seek to return to the middle ages ?
 
Rich2018 said:
Even devout Catholic countries like Ireland have repealed the part of their constitution that outlaws abortion. Why must US right wingers seek to return to the middle ages ?
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They believe they are returning to common sense and morality. I don't believe the practiced abortion in the middle ages. I could be wrong about that.
 
fmw said:
They believe they are returning to common sense and morality. I don't believe the practiced abortion in the middle ages. I could be wrong about that.
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They are.
And they practiced abortion since the dawn of civilization.
 
Rich2018 said:
They are.
And they practiced abortion since the dawn of civilization.
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Records dating back to 1850 BC show us that some of the most popular ancient Egyptian birth control methods included the use of honey, acacia fruit, and acacia leaves as natural spermicides
 
Peter said:
I'm pretty sure it isn't used here in the way it is in the US.

The way it's used in the US is completely scandalous.
There's plenty of stories of people whose only crime was to have some cash on them when they get stopped by the police.
The police seize the cash and claim that it could possibly be the proceeds of some unexplained crime and it's the job of the person who just had their money stolen to prove it isn't the proceeds of crime.
Even when evidence is shown that the money is totally fine and part of a completely legal transaction like simply a person buying a car from a private owner the police often still keep the money and demand the person go through an expensive court case to get back money the police illegally seized.

Lawyer Steve Lehto has done a fair few videos about the subject and why it's such a problem.
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Yeah civil asset forfeiture is downright criminal but ya know the arm of the state most likely to kill you or actually rob you blind is somehow an asset to freeberty.

Hell CATO surprised me with their well written article about this topic.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Ahhh **** it, let's just go ahead and start the war already.
When it's all over and MAGA Land is ashes (which it will be) they can ban sex altogether and the rest of us will go back to living our lives like normal people again.
They can have their country with Dogpatch, Texas as the capital.

I'm tired of trying to reason with MAGA people.
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Best thing is their security is quite shitty. I once brought in 3 speakers to a rally with lighter air port security and if that were real airport security i would have raised a lot of red flags lol.
 
Fledermaus said:
Records dating back to 1850 BC show us that some of the most popular ancient Egyptian birth control methods included the use of honey, acacia fruit, and acacia leaves as natural spermicides
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So now birth control and abortion are the same thing?
 
Gordy327 said:
Technically yes.
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It all has to do with the rationale. The problem with Dobbs is that the rationale is contrary to reality, so it extends to any damned thing the Conservative Cabal wants it to. AJ Thomas has already said so, explicitly. Let's not pretend otherwise.

If, as Alito's cabal insists, there is no "right to privacy" (a notion absolutely contrary to "original intent" - the founders would be appalled at his sophomoric reasoning), then the state can regulate all manner of "private" activity - sex, raising children, contraception. etc. Pandora's box has not only been opened, the lid has been discarded.
 
NWRatCon said:
It all has to do with the rationale. The problem with Dobbs is that the rationale is contrary to reality, so it extends to any damned thing the Conservative Cabal wants it to. AJ Thomas has already said so, explicitly. Let's not pretend otherwise.

If, as Alito's cabal insists, there is no "right to privacy" (a notion absolutely contrary to "original intent" - the founders would be appalled at his sophomoric reasoning), then the state can regulate all manner of "private" activity - sex, raising children, contraception. etc. Pandora's box has not only been opened, the lid has been discarded.
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I suspect the fallout from that will be forthcoming and significant.
 
Rich2018 said:
Not sure even the most rabid (non-Catholic) Republican goes as far as to propose making contraception illegal.
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Seriously? On what do you base that conception?

Birth control restrictions could follow abortion bans, experts say (NBC)​

"The states that are trying to limit abortion from the moment of conception — not even from the moment of pregnancy, as the medical profession would define it — could well try to challenge Plan B, emergency contraception, potentially even IUDs," said Wendy Parmet, director of the Center for Health Policy and Law at Northeastern University.

Those forms of birth control could be an easier target for restrictions than traditional birth control pills, she said, because they prevent implantation — when a fertilized egg attaches to the womb — in addition to fertilization. Some people already consider them abortion-inducing medications for that reason.

As of 2022, at least 4 States tried to ban access to some or all contraceptives by restricting access to public funding for these products and services. Furthermore, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas have infringed on people's ability to access their contraceptive care by violating the free choice of provider requirement under the Medicaid program.

Mississippi governor declines to rule out contraception bans, saying his state ‘isn’t presently focused’ on it (CNN)​

Planned Parenthood Response to University of Idaho’s Ban on Birth Control​

Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control (Pew)​

Missouri state Sen. Paul Wieland, one of the Republicans who led that effort, explained his position this way: “The bottom line is there is only one time something definitively happens and that’s the moment of conception. Once that happens, anything that happens should not be state funded.”
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skirmishing over birth control methods already has begun, as Republican lawmakers push to restrict access to birth control methods they claim are abortifacient, or causing abortions.

Emergency contraception, often known as the morning-after pill and sold over the counter without a prescription, is designed to prevent ovulation. In its labeling, the Food and Drug Administration says emergency contraception also could keep a fertilized zygote from implanting in the uterine lining, though the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says the evidence suggests that situation is “unlikely.” Nearly 25% of women ages 22 to 49 have used emergency contraception, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Associate Justice Thomas is not alone in his extremism. Just sayin'.
 
NWRatCon said:
Seriously? On what do you base that conception?

Birth control restrictions could follow abortion bans, experts say (NBC)​

"The states that are trying to limit abortion from the moment of conception — not even from the moment of pregnancy, as the medical profession would define it — could well try to challenge Plan B, emergency contraception, potentially even IUDs," said Wendy Parmet, director of the Center for Health Policy and Law at Northeastern University.

Those forms of birth control could be an easier target for restrictions than traditional birth control pills, she said, because they prevent implantation — when a fertilized egg attaches to the womb — in addition to fertilization. Some people already consider them abortion-inducing medications for that reason.

As of 2022, at least 4 States tried to ban access to some or all contraceptives by restricting access to public funding for these products and services. Furthermore, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas have infringed on people's ability to access their contraceptive care by violating the free choice of provider requirement under the Medicaid program.

Mississippi governor declines to rule out contraception bans, saying his state ‘isn’t presently focused’ on it (CNN)​

Planned Parenthood Response to University of Idaho’s Ban on Birth Control​

Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control (Pew)​

Missouri state Sen. Paul Wieland, one of the Republicans who led that effort, explained his position this way: “The bottom line is there is only one time something definitively happens and that’s the moment of conception. Once that happens, anything that happens should not be state funded.”
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skirmishing over birth control methods already has begun, as Republican lawmakers push to restrict access to birth control methods they claim are abortifacient, or causing abortions.

Emergency contraception, often known as the morning-after pill and sold over the counter without a prescription, is designed to prevent ovulation. In its labeling, the Food and Drug Administration says emergency contraception also could keep a fertilized zygote from implanting in the uterine lining, though the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says the evidence suggests that situation is “unlikely.” Nearly 25% of women ages 22 to 49 have used emergency contraception, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Associate Justice Thomas is not alone in his extremism. Just sayin'.
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It's scary that there are people In power or with influence who think like that.
 
NWRatCon said:
Seriously? On what do you base that conception?

Birth control restrictions could follow abortion bans, experts say (NBC)​

"The states that are trying to limit abortion from the moment of conception — not even from the moment of pregnancy, as the medical profession would define it — could well try to challenge Plan B, emergency contraception, potentially even IUDs," said Wendy Parmet, director of the Center for Health Policy and Law at Northeastern University.

Those forms of birth control could be an easier target for restrictions than traditional birth control pills, she said, because they prevent implantation — when a fertilized egg attaches to the womb — in addition to fertilization. Some people already consider them abortion-inducing medications for that reason.

As of 2022, at least 4 States tried to ban access to some or all contraceptives by restricting access to public funding for these products and services. Furthermore, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas have infringed on people's ability to access their contraceptive care by violating the free choice of provider requirement under the Medicaid program.

Mississippi governor declines to rule out contraception bans, saying his state ‘isn’t presently focused’ on it (CNN)​

Planned Parenthood Response to University of Idaho’s Ban on Birth Control​

Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control (Pew)​

Missouri state Sen. Paul Wieland, one of the Republicans who led that effort, explained his position this way: “The bottom line is there is only one time something definitively happens and that’s the moment of conception. Once that happens, anything that happens should not be state funded.”
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skirmishing over birth control methods already has begun, as Republican lawmakers push to restrict access to birth control methods they claim are abortifacient, or causing abortions.

Emergency contraception, often known as the morning-after pill and sold over the counter without a prescription, is designed to prevent ovulation. In its labeling, the Food and Drug Administration says emergency contraception also could keep a fertilized zygote from implanting in the uterine lining, though the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says the evidence suggests that situation is “unlikely.” Nearly 25% of women ages 22 to 49 have used emergency contraception, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Associate Justice Thomas is not alone in his extremism. Just sayin'.
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Which non-Catholic Republicans oppose contraception ?

It seems that they are concerned with what happens after conception.
 
Rich2018 said:
Which non-Catholic Republicans oppose contraception ?

It seems that they are concerned with what happens after conception.
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I haven't surveyed them to determine their religious preferences, but did you bother to read any of the references? In some chambers bills have already been passed. I doubt they're just the Catholic legislators sponsoring them. I really thought you knew better.
 
NWRatCon said:
I haven't surveyed them to determine their religious preferences, but did you bother to read any of the references? In some chambers bills have already been passed. I doubt they're just the Catholic legislators sponsoring them. I really thought you knew better.
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Yes and not one proposed making contraception illegal

(declining to rule out a ban, is not a proposal).
 
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