[W:296] God favor’s Biden???

[Daisy]

What's funny? care to explain?

You're actually saying, God isn't your authority but Jesus - did I miss a punchline somewhere?


See why God and Jesus has got to be One and the Same? You fell neatly into a trap!

Wrong, Jesus has always showed his subjection to Jehovah God...

"Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." Matthew 28:18

Paul acknowledged the same...

"But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3

 

[tosca1]

Wrong, Jesus has always showed his subjection to Jehovah God...

"Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." Matthew 28:18

Paul acknowledged the same...

"But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God." 1 Corinthians 11:3

If Jesus is your authority.....how come you're not doing what you say? You should follow His instruction,right?
He's saying OBEDIENCE TO GOD is a requirement to enter the kingdom of God.

Why are you contradicting His teaching on obeying human institutions and governments?


Lol. How do you equate saying, He is your authority and you're on His side, His side is the truth......blah-blah-blah.....

.......and yet, you try to circumvent His instruction and resist obeying Him?

What kind of "obedience" is that?

 

[tosca1]

That is a lie...I've stated many times that ALL politicians are as crooked as a barrel of fish-hooks...

Lol. You focused only on Trump! You singled him out.
You even have a checklist on his sins - you also said,he's been crooked ALL HIS LIFE!

.....and, he hasn't changed for the better!


If you're honestly "neutral" between the two - where's your checklist on Biden?

 

[Lursa]

Yes, we did have to convince God to get Biden elected.

Well, some of us did sure ask Him for help with that.

Last time around, no way I thought it necessary. Was not making that mistake twice.

 

[Lursa]

Faith in imaginary forces is not completely harmless. It harms the mental faculties of the one with faith. Faith in general is fine, but faith in imaginary forces is always harmful to functioning rationally.

Can you give me an example of 'faith in general?'

 

[Daisy]

Lol. You focused only on Trump! You singled him out.
You even have a checklist on his sins - you also said,he's been crooked ALL HIS LIFE!

.....and, he hasn't changed for the better!


If you're honestly "neutral" between the two - where's your checklist on Biden?

Not my problem if you've missed it...goes to show you don't know everything now, doesn't it?

 

[Lursa]

Ramoss, what you are saying is perfectly logical. We always want to define things in familiar terms. Unfortunately, all the familiar terms that I would like to use don't fit into the restrictions you have (fairly) put on it. That's my own fault, but it also meshes into my belief that the existence of God can't be proven in the same way we might prove that light can travel at 186,000 miles per second, that water contains hydrogen, or that Rachel Maddow wears black panties.

I don't know what the "substance" of God is, nor do I understand what a "spirit" is--and I can't even give you a definition for "love" beyond what it says in the dictionary. Clearly, God or His existence can't be perceived or defined through the usual, accepted means. But, Ramoss, when your wife or girl friend says she loves you, what kind of definition do you demand of her? You probably don't demand it--and that's why I don't demand a definition from God when I feel His love.

Ramoss, you might have noticed that I haven't tried to prove God's existence anywhere in this thread--all I've done is to try to defend my own beliefs. I freely admit that I often lack reasoning, but I don't think that's the case when it comes to my acceptance of the existence of God. I know this sounds corny and is the kind of thing you hear from religious people all the time, but when God touches your heart, that will be all the proof you'll ever need.

I support you here Emily.

I have mentioned many times here that I believe in God on faith and faith alone. I feel no need to prove Him to others. (There is no way to do so). He wants us to believe in Him "on faith and faith alone," otherwise He would have provided that proof IMO.

I dont care what other people 'believe' or say about my faith. It doesn't matter or change it at all. But I participate in these types of threads because I hate the harm that some Christians do to Christianity with their dim insistence that there is proof, because IMO, that enables them to demand that others MUST follow His Word (mostly their interpretations or misinterpretations of His Word.) IMO these people do more to drive people AWAY from God's Word rather than draw them to Him. The way that they act and treat others is often an embarrassment and mean and hateful, the opposite of His Word.

They know very well that it's more difficult to use coercion, fear, guilt, and force to comply with their versions of Christianity without solid proof.

And most of all, their need for that proof indicates a clear weakness in their own faith.

 

[Dragonfly]

Holy cow, Dragonfly! Faith is supposed to be a beautiful thing. Haven't you ever had a good experience with faith? Faith that the weatherperson is correct about tomorrow's forecast? Faith that your wife or girl friend will stand by you? Faith that the Brewers will beat the Yanks?

Faith is based on experience. Just as you have faith in the Brewers because they have beaten so many other teams, you can have faith in God because He has touched your heart and has done so many wonderful things. Faith isn't a sign of weakness, but of strength. It can give you confidence, can see you through tough times, can even give you a reason for living.

Started a thread on it once: Click me!!! <---clickity

Doesn't change anything I said to you before.

I can have faith that I can use heroin and not get addicted.
Plenty of alcoholics out there that have faith they don't have a drinking problem.
Plenty of smokers who have faith they won't get lung cancer.
Some people have faith they can become famous by doing dangerous things.

Some people have faith their parachute will open. Not all of them do.

 

[Dragonfly]

God Has Spoken <--clickity click click

For those of you who believe "god" is involved, he/she/it picked Biden. Period.

 

[Emily L]

I support you here Emily.

I have mentioned many times here that I believe in God on faith and faith alone. I feel no need to prove Him to others. (There is no way to do so). He wants us to believe in Him "on faith and faith alone," otherwise He would have provided that proof IMO.

I dont care what other people 'believe' or say about my faith. It doesn't matter or change it at all. But I participate in these types of threads because I hate the harm that some Christians do to Christianity with their dim insistence that there is proof, because IMO, that enables them to demand that others MUST follow His Word (mostly their interpretations or misinterpretations of His Word.) IMO these people do more to drive people AWAY from God's Word rather than draw them to Him. The way that they act and treat others is often an embarrassment and mean and hateful, the opposite of His Word.

They know very well that it's more difficult to use coercion, fear, guilt, and force to comply with their versions of Christianity without solid proof.

And most of all, their need for that proof indicates a clear weakness in their own faith.

Beautifully said, Lursa! Thanks for posting that!

 

[calamity]

I support you here Emily.

I have mentioned many times here that I believe in God on faith and faith alone. I feel no need to prove Him to others. (There is no way to do so). He wants us to believe in Him "on faith and faith alone," otherwise He would have provided that proof IMO.

I dont care what other people 'believe' or say about my faith. It doesn't matter or change it at all. But I participate in these types of threads because I hate the harm that some Christians do to Christianity with their dim insistence that there is proof, because IMO, that enables them to demand that others MUST follow His Word (mostly their interpretations or misinterpretations of His Word.) IMO these people do more to drive people AWAY from God's Word rather than draw them to Him. The way that they act and treat others is often an embarrassment and mean and hateful, the opposite of His Word.

They know very well that it's more difficult to use coercion, fear, guilt, and force to comply with their versions of Christianity without solid proof.

And most of all, their need for that proof indicates a clear weakness in their own faith.

Yeah, god should be a personal thing. It even says so in the Bible, where Jesus says point blank to pray in private not on the street corner like the hypocrites do.

 

[Daisy]

Yeah, god should be a personal thing. It even says so in the Bible, where Jesus says point blank to pray in private not on the street corner like the hypocrites do.

Jesus also said...

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Matthew 28:19,20

So no, we are not supposed to keep Him to ourselves...it would be a sin if we did...

"For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9

"Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name." Hebrews 13:15

 

[Yasureoktoo]

Capitalize Allah, and Allah and God are the same. It's literally just God in Arabic.

FAIL
In Arabic.
Ilih Mean God
Allah is God's name

ie. Tabari VI:66
"Umar said, 'By Allah I was by one of the idols of the Jahiliyyah. An Arab sacrificed a calf to it, and we were waiting for it to be divided up in order to receive a share. I heard coming from the belly of the calf a voice which was more penetrating than any I've heard. The dead calf's belly said, 'There is no ilah but Allah.'"

 

[tosca1]

I support you here Emily.

I have mentioned many times here that I believe in God on faith and faith alone. I feel no need to prove Him to others. (There is no way to do so). He wants us to believe in Him "on faith and faith alone," otherwise He would have provided that proof IMO.

I dont care what other people 'believe' or say about my faith. It doesn't matter or change it at all. But I participate in these types of threads because I hate the harm that some Christians do to Christianity with their dim insistence that there is proof, because IMO, that enables them to demand that others MUST follow His Word (mostly their interpretations or misinterpretations of His Word.) IMO these people do more to drive people AWAY from God's Word rather than draw them to Him. The way that they act and treat others is often an embarrassment and mean and hateful, the opposite of His Word.

They know very well that it's more difficult to use coercion, fear, guilt, and force to comply with their versions of Christianity without solid proof.

And most of all, their need for that proof indicates a clear weakness in their own faith.

.....but, we're in a forum.

That's, the big difference. In a forum, we discuss God with non-believers and scoffers.
We can also reach out to those who are questioning or doubting their faith.

We are in a verbal arena facing off with non-believers.


Giving evidence of God through REASON is also an effective tool, and acceptable. Non-believers does not believe in faith, nor do they believe in the existence of God - therefore, how can an apologist be able to get into a DISCUSSION/DEBATE with them without anything other than say,
"I believe?" It's what you believe that they don't agree with - they don't think it's real!


To discuss/debate using REASON, doesn't lessen one's faith nor does it mean one's faith is weak and in need of bolstering.
In fact, being able to BOLDLY come out and defend one's faith - and, further the kingdom of God - by using REASON, can also be an indication
of strength.

Being able to apply reason plays a big part in spreading the Word.
Christianity is not based on faith alone. I say that in the sense that God had given us the Bible that we may know, and be able to understand.

Why do we study the Scriptures and mature as Christians along the way if our faith isn't reaffirmed by REASON?
Because we understand - that's why we don't fall so easily when a non-believer say you worship a genocidal God!
We are strengthened.



Acts 19
8 Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God.
9 But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.


2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.


Acts 18:28
For he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.


1 Peter 3
13 Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?
14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.

What Does the Bible Say About Debating?

Bible verses about Debating

www.openbible.info

Christians have differing God-given gifts and talents.
Even among those who partake in debates and discussions - Christians have various differing styles in their delivery.

 

[calamity]

Jesus also said...

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Matthew 28:19,20

So no, we are not supposed to keep Him to ourselves...it would be a sin if we did...

"For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9

"Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name." Hebrews 13:15

I imagine something got lost in that translation.

 

[Overitall]

Started a thread on it once: Click me!!! <---clickity

Doesn't change anything I said to you before.

I can have faith that I can use heroin and not get addicted.
Plenty of alcoholics out there that have faith they don't have a drinking problem.
Plenty of smokers who have faith they won't get lung cancer.
Some people have faith they can become famous by doing dangerous things.

Some people have faith their parachute will open. Not all of them do.

That’s contrary to what Matthew 4 says:

5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

God expects us to trust Him but He doesn’t expect us to be stupid.

 

[calamity]

This makes a lot of sense.

 

[tosca1]

This makes a lot of sense.

Why are you guys so concentrated on Trump? The title of this thread asks: GOD FAVORS BIDEN?
Skewering Trump does not get rid of that question.

 

[Dragonfly]

That’s contrary to what Matthew 4 says:

5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

God expects us to trust Him but He doesn’t expect us to be stupid.

You're missing the point.

The point is simple.

Faith does not guarantee a path to truth.

 

[tosca1]

You're missing the point.

The point is simple.

Faith does not guarantee a path to truth.

If you have faith on THE TRUTH (Jesus).....of course, that's a guarantee to truth.

 

[calamity]

If you have faith on THE TRUTH (Jesus).....of course, that's a guarantee to truth.

Nope, it only guarantees false confidence in things make-believe.

 

[Daisy]

.....but, we're in a forum.

That's, the big difference. In a forum, we discuss God with non-believers and scoffers.
We can also reach out to those who are questioning or doubting their faith.

We are in a verbal arena facing off with non-believers.


Giving evidence of God through REASON is also an effective tool, and acceptable. Non-believers does not believe in faith, nor do they believe in the existence of God - therefore, how can an apologist be able to get into a DISCUSSION/DEBATE with them without anything other than say,
"I believe?" It's what you believe that they don't agree with - they don't think it's real!


To discuss/debate using REASON, doesn't lessen one's faith nor does it mean one's faith is weak and in need of bolstering.
In fact, being able to BOLDLY come out and defend one's faith - and, further the kingdom of God - by using REASON, can also be an indication
of strength.

Being able to apply reason plays a big part in spreading the Word.
Christianity is not based on faith alone. I say that in the sense that God had given us the Bible that we may know, and be able to understand.

Why do we study the Scriptures and mature as Christians along the way if our faith isn't reaffirmed by REASON?
Because we understand - that's why we don't fall so easily when a non-believer say you worship a genocidal God!
We are strengthened.



Acts 19
8 Paul entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, arguing persuasively about the kingdom of God.
9 But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.


2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.


Acts 18:28
For he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.


1 Peter 3
13 Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?
14 But even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled,
15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.

What Does the Bible Say About Debating?

Bible verses about Debating

www.openbible.info

Christians have differing God-given gifts and talents.
Even among those who partake in debates and discussions - Christians have various differing styles in their delivery.

Wrong again...scoffers are not worth the time or effort because they will debate for hours, week after week, but not because they are seeking truth...

"Now when they heard of a resurrection of the dead, some began to scoff, while others said: “We will hear you again about this.” So Paul left them, but some men joined him and became believers. Among them were Dionysius, who was a judge of the court of the Areopagus, and a woman named Damaris, and others besides them." Acts 17:32-34

 

[Fishking]

FAIL
In Arabic.
Ilih Mean God
Allah is God's name

ie. Tabari VI:66
"Umar said, 'By Allah I was by one of the idols of the Jahiliyyah. An Arab sacrificed a calf to it, and we were waiting for it to be divided up in order to receive a share. I heard coming from the belly of the calf a voice which was more penetrating than any I've heard. The dead calf's belly said, 'There is no ilah but Allah.'"

You either didn't understand what you quoted or you didn't understand what I wrote. Allah is literally God (capital G) in English.

 

[tosca1]

Nope, it only guarantees false confidence in things make-believe.

It's a case of............."he said, she said."

Your "faith" in what you say only guarantees false confidence in what you assume.
The only difference between us is that there are some evidence that support the Christian faith...... whereas you've got nada.

 

[tosca1]

Wrong again...scoffers are not worth the time or effort because they will debate for hours, week after week, but not because they are seeking truth...

"Now when they heard of a resurrection of the dead, some began to scoff, while others said: “We will hear you again about this.” So Paul left them, but some men joined him and became believers. Among them were Dionysius, who was a judge of the court of the Areopagus, and a woman named Damaris, and others besides them." Acts 17:32-34

"Now when they heard of a resurrection of the dead, some began to scoff, while others said: “We will hear you again about this.” So Paul left them,but some men joined him and became believers. Among them were Dionysius, who was a judge of the court of the Areopagus, and a woman named Damaris, and others besides them." Acts 17:32-34


We don't know why exactly Paul had decided to leave the council when some people began to sneer and said they want to hear him again
on that subject. It was his call.

Maybe he knew these people - just as we know some atheists here that are merely trolling - and, he put them on "ignore."
He already got some people joining him, right? Maybe, that's all he wanted to do at the time.



IN A FORUM - it's up to you whether you want to keep debating a scoffer or not.
It depends too, on what your goal or motive is for debating a scoffer.

Some of us are in forums as our ministries.
Moi, as an example - am "debating" with scoffers for the sake of those who are confused and in doubt, or for those who seek some truths.
It's not the scoffers that I'm really trying to reach out to. The scoffers merely are the vehicle that I use.

It's worthwhile to show the ignorance of scoffers to the folks who silently seek.

Imagine if there were no apologists to negate and show the ignorance of scoffers like Richard Dawkins!
Imagine how many people - including Christians already struggling with their faith - would've been lost?


A scoffer does not have to be an atheist.
You scoff at the Triune God, right? You scoff at people who believe Jesus and God are One and the Same......
.....and yet I keep debating with you. That is patience, my dear.

Guess what - it paid off! You ended up tripping on yourself, placing yourself in an impossible position of declaring Jesus as your only Authority and yet at the same time, trying to justify and make excuses why that isn't idolatry!
You'd exhibited the very point I make why it is important to believe that God is Jesus in human form.

Jesus is to you what Mary is to Catholics!