[W#271][W:914] Charlie Kirk Reportedly Shot in Utah: Live Updates

[Jagged]

Polls are not comparable to ratings. Polls can be manipulated much more easily by both sides, and they change according to changes in the political wind. But no kind of wind is going to float Kimmel the Liar back into prominence.

Both are ratings which measure the public's opinion on how well they perform.

 

[jaeger19]

Amid all this flapdoodle, you minimally managed to answer my question: you would NOT consider any study veracious without analysis, so you agree that your facile post is not a "gotcha." It may have some applicability or not, but because you asked me so lamely to "get to" rebutting it, I'll reply with the appropriate response: "sit on it."

So in other words you have zero response to the studies findings. Therefore they stand .
You can either defend your argument or you can’t. I defended mine with research.
You with nothing.

Your facile post is however a better than average deflection, since you did manage to briefly divert the conversation from my assertion:

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

In what universe (aside from that of Mad Libs) do you think it smart to respond to the basic statement, "all the LGBTETC willing to kill to silence contrary voices are Lefties" with a claim that Righties kill more people? Since most LGBTETC skew liberal because Libs play to their perceived interests, even if there only two members of that group, made up of thousands of people, who are killers, then they're logically more likely to be Libs than Cons. I can only assume that you cited your study to undermine that logic with something like the Left's "groyper" fantasies re Robinson. This is entirely transparent. Libs are embarrassed because a guy with a trans boyfriend inexcusably murdered a man, and they like you are trying over and over to deflect from that embarrassment. You only cite the study to muddy clear waters-- so it's a muddy study in your

Pooh.

What’s got your panties in a twist is that I just dropped a truth bomb on you maga bs.

The fact is that right wing violence far exceeds left wing violence
And your angst over “ mad lib lgbq” violence and “ trans violence” is just so much propaganda to justify using government to silence dissent.

 

[jaeger19]

You cited zero facts because all you cared about was trying to vilify Charlie Kirk, the better to distract from the actions of Lib Tyler Robinson.

I quoted facts of Charlie Kirk’s quotes and how they were fallacious and designed to incite racism and bigotry.

There was nothing there.

Lie.

Truth. You can’t back up your positions.

Mad Libs are still the ones deflecting from the facts of Tyler Robinson being a Lib, because it makes them look bad.

No it doesn’t. You desperately want to make those “ mad libs “ look bad but it doesn’t .

Not in the least. I said Soros was one secular Jew who has been encouraging other Jews, as well as Christians, to indulge in idiotic Lib ideologies. They're not always expressly Marxist in *theory." But in practice, things like cashless bail follow the Marxist praxis of tearing down society for the sake of revolution. Kirk made up nothing. He criticized secular Jews for using their money for undermining America, and that has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. But the Leftie embrace of "Free free Palestine?" That's anti-Semitic.

Right. He criticized secular Jews without any basis or evidence that secular Jews as a group were doing what he claimed . I asked to provide evidence and you came up with ONE .

By the way.. you MAGAs need to stop talking about all the stuff you obviously no nothing about. Like Marxism, socialism. Woke, critical race theory.

By the way , why would anyone who wants small government not support cashless bail??

Amendment VIII​

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Why do you think the founding fathers were concerned about bail???

 

[Lursa]

Your hamster is no match for the sealion who will appear to you whenever you look in a mirror.

What an odd fantasy. I dont see that at all. I see someone with self-respect. You should work on that...I havent been reduced to posting the word "flapdoodle"

If you want validation, you need to stop lying and prove me wrong. I've posted links to my posts and a thread to help you. You post sad, empty attempts to stay relevant. "Being right" is your only way out...put up or ...?

Otherwise it seems you are stuck here, scrabbling at addressing everyone:

 

[Lursa]

So in other words you have zero response to the studies findings. Therefore they stand .
You can either defend your argument or you can’t. I defended mine with research.
You with nothing.

No shit? Welcome to his M.O.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

It's obviously not working...but you know if he could prove that we were wrong, he'd do so...so that he could.

 

[Ouroboros]

And because he killed someone for speaking against his lifestyle, that means he could be left, right or center since all 3 have LGBTQ among their ranks. And many, if not most, Liberals celebrating Kirk's assassination are doing so for reasons other than Robinson's apparent motive.

LGBTQ Righties and Centrists are not going to rant about Kirk expousing "hate." That's entirely a Lib position, to rant that every opposition to their agenda is a blow against tolerance for races and sexual proclivities. And that's the same logic used by all the Lib ghouls who celebrated Kirk's death. He represented what they called "hate," so he was better dead. Here's AOC on her opposition to a Congressional resolution re "the life and legacy of Kirk:"

“We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was: a man who believed that the Civil Rights Act that granted Black Americans the right to vote was a ‘mistake,’ who after the violent attack on Paul Pelosi claimed that ‘some amazing patriot out there’ should bail out his assailant, and accused Jews of controlling ‘not just the colleges – it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement. “His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans – far from ‘working tirelessly to promote unity’ as asserted by the majority in this resolution.”

Robinson attacked Kirk for the same reasons: he was opposing the trans agenda and so he was disenfranchising people through his words. You are merely trying to distance your side from Robinson's filthy action.

 

[Ouroboros]

I'm not missing anything. It's neither my fault, nor my problem, you're incapable of understanding the Kimmel text I posted has nothing to do with his monologue.

The section you posted makes the same type of finger-pointing accusation found in the Tuesday monologue; trying to slough off the assassin's Leftie associations by attributing Rightie positions to Robinson.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think this is expecting too much of @Ouroboros. He won’t read your study, and he won’t find an alternative that argues against it, because those are not his orders. Donald has fed “left commits the violence” into his input tray and as such that is the only reality that he knows or is even capable of perceiving. His Lord and Savior, Donald, has told him that it is the left that is responsible for violence, and he embraces that as fact entirely on faith because to even question it would be an act of disloyalty. So, you could put 100 scientific studies in front of @Ouroboros that prove that most violence is committed by the right, and he would not budge one iota. The right could exercise violence to everyone he knows and cares about right before his eyes, and he would still follow orders and blame the left for it.

Remember, this is a religious conviction for these people. A scientific paper isn’t going to shake their religious faith.

I won't read the study at this time because it's irrelevant to the evidence that Robinson is a murderous Mad Lib. There's not going to be anything in the study that changes the actions of all the Leftie ghouls who celebrated Kirk's death. Those are the things that hypocrite Lefties are trying to deflect from, and that's all the citation is, a lame deflection. If your political position was not religious in nature, you would simply admit that TR was someone who thought he was being a good little Mad Lib but that he was mistaken. The Left looks stupider every time they float the idea that TR could be a Rightie.

 

[Ouroboros]

The ratio has nothing to do with how many votes Hillary got. 63 million people supported Trump. Hillary said half of them are deplorable. That's 31.5 million out of a country of 330 million. That's roughly 10%, not 50%.

Your logic chopping means nothing because Hilary insulted all of the Trump voters by association. What, according to Mad Libs like Hilary, are supposed to be the non-deplorable reasons for voting for Trump? Oh, I know, it's that old Mad Lib explanation for GOP affiliation: Not Having Gone to College! Or have you got anything else?

 

[Ouroboros]

Says the person who thinks 10% is 50%.

It's still not the Right that came up with "math is racist."

 

[Ouroboros]

What an odd fantasy. I dont see that at all. I see someone with self-respect. You should work on that...I havent been reduced to posting the word "flapdoodle"

If you want validation, you need to stop lying and prove me wrong. I've posted links to my posts and a thread to help you. You post sad, empty attempts to stay relevant. "Being right" is your only way out...put up or ...?

Otherwise it seems you are stuck here, scrabbling at addressing everyone:

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Oh, bring back the little ship instead. It was a better symbol of how you sail away from making coherent arguments, and then try to save face by yelling back, "you're a liar because you won't repeat over and over again the arguments I didn't disprove."

 

[Ouroboros]

I never said otherwise. Clearly, enough of the public admire him, the first amendment, or both, that their message got through to Disney.

There's no admiration involved. just triggered TDS hatred of anything the Left can associate with Trump. The Liar constantly attacks Trump, therefore he's a useful idiot, but that doesn't mean he's admirable. And the people who championed the Liar were silent on comparable issues where ABC censored performers for their speech.

 

[Ouroboros]

Both are ratings which measure the public's opinion on how well they perform.

Nope, for the reasons given.

 

[Ouroboros]

So in other words you have zero response to the studies findings. Therefore they stand .

They stand as an irrelevant deflection.

You can either defend your argument or you can’t. I defended mine with research.
You with nothing.

Again, how does your research, whether veracious or not, prove that Tyler Robinson is a Rightie, a "groyper," or whatever the Mad Lib narrative is this week? Does it say anything about Trump ordering Kirk killed because of supposed remarks about the Epstein Files?

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Pooh.

What’s got your panties in a twist is that I just dropped a truth bomb on you maga bs.

The fact is that right wing violence far exceeds left wing violence
And your angst over “ mad lib lgbq” violence and “ trans violence” is just so much propaganda to justify using government to silence dissent.

It's not a fact; it's an interpretation, and one irrelevant to the matter at hand.

 

[Ouroboros]

I quoted facts of Charlie Kirk’s quotes and how they were fallacious and designed to incite racism and bigotry.

You twisted what Kirk said to suit your agenda.

Truth. You can’t back up your positions.

Already did.

No it doesn’t. You desperately want to make those “ mad libs “ look bad but it doesn’t .

The Mad Libs made themselves look bad, and every time they float their absurd theories that TR could have been a Rightie because, say, he belonged to a gun club, they make themselves look even worse.

Right. He criticized secular Jews without any basis or evidence that secular Jews as a group were doing what he claimed . I asked to provide evidence and you came up with ONE .

I came up with the head of a movement that includes a huge number of Jews and Christians, so I cited everyone in Soros' aegis, not just one person.

By the way.. you MAGAs need to stop talking about all the stuff you obviously no nothing about. Like Marxism, socialism. Woke, critical race theory.

Still the Libs who "no nothing."

By the way , why would anyone who wants small government not support cashless bail??

because it allows criminals to be freed on their own recognizance, so that they, like Decarlos Brown, kill whenever it suits them. Only dimwitted Marxists, who automatically throw all support to criminals, would think this a good idea.

Amendment VIII​

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Why do you think the founding fathers were concerned about bail???

The founding fathers didn't have to deal with Mad Libs sacrificing the public safety to fantasies about "fighting the power."

 

[Jagged]

LGBTQ Righties and Centrists are not going to rant about Kirk expousing "hate." That's entirely a Lib position, to rant that every opposition to their agenda is a blow against tolerance for races and sexual proclivities. And that's the same logic used by all the Lib ghouls who celebrated Kirk's death. He represented what they called "hate," so he was better dead. Here's AOC on her opposition to a Congressional resolution re "the life and legacy of Kirk:"

“We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was: a man who believed that the Civil Rights Act that granted Black Americans the right to vote was a ‘mistake,’ who after the violent attack on Paul Pelosi claimed that ‘some amazing patriot out there’ should bail out his assailant, and accused Jews of controlling ‘not just the colleges – it’s the nonprofits, it’s the movies, it’s Hollywood, it’s all of it,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement. “His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans – far from ‘working tirelessly to promote unity’ as asserted by the majority in this resolution.”

Robinson attacked Kirk for the same reasons: he was opposing the trans agenda and so he was disenfranchising people through his words. You are merely trying to distance your side from Robinson's filthy action.

The "lib position" has nothing to do with the ideology of the shooter. His motives appear to be personal. His LGBTQ lifestyle is found across all ideologies. I know that annoys you because it's obviously important to you for him to be on the left, but unfortunately for you, since LGBTQ is not strictly leftwing, that doesn't prove he's leftwing. And to be clear, I'm not saying he's rightwing. I'm pointing out nobody knows his ideology yet.

 

[Jagged]

The section you posted makes the same type of finger-pointing accusation found in the Tuesday monologue; trying to slough off the assassin's Leftie associations by attributing Rightie positions to Robinson.

Who do you imagine Kimmel is pointing a finger at in this message?

 

[Jagged]

Your logic chopping means nothing because Hilary insulted all of the Trump voters by association. What, according to Mad Libs like Hilary, are supposed to be the non-deplorable reasons for voting for Trump? Oh, I know, it's that old Mad Lib explanation for GOP affiliation: Not Having Gone to College! Or have you got anything else?

You're lying again. You really should stop doing that. She did not insult "ALL" of the Trump voters.

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America. But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different." - Hillary Clinton​

 

[Jagged]

It's still not the Right that came up with "math is racist."

I didn't say it is. I was talking about your math, not the right. You said she insulted 50% of the country when she insulted about 10% of the country.

 

[Jagged]

There's no admiration involved. just triggered TDS hatred of anything the Left can associate with Trump. The Liar constantly attacks Trump, therefore he's a useful idiot, but that doesn't mean he's admirable. And the people who championed the Liar were silent on comparable issues where ABC censored performers for their speech.

They suffer from Trump Devotion Syndrome??

 

[Jagged]

Nope, for the reasons given.

False. You offered your opinion citing yourself as your source. No one is bound by that. Both are measurements of performance.

 

[jaeger19]

They stand as an irrelevant deflection.

Not at all. They stand as objective reality and evidence that the MAGA claims of “ mad lib violence “ are pure hypocrisy.

Again, how does your research, whether veracious or not, prove that Tyler Robinson is a Rightie, a "groyper," or whatever the Mad Lib narrative is this week? Does it say anything about Trump ordering Kirk killed because of supposed remarks about the Epstein Files?

See above.

It's not a fact; it's an interpretation, and one irrelevant to the matter at hand.

No it’s fact.

 

[jaeger19]

You twisted what Kirk said to suit your agenda.

No I quoted him.

Already did.


The Mad Libs made themselves look bad, and every time they float their absurd theories that TR could have been a Rightie because, say, he belonged to a gun club, they make themselves look even worse.

No they didn’t make themselves look bad.
We STILL don’t really know the shooters motivation. Only speculation.

I came up with the head of a movement that includes a huge number of Jews and Christians, so I cited everyone in Soros' aegis, not just one person.

Soros isn’t the head of anything but your made up boogie man.

Still the Libs who "no nothing."

because it allows criminals to be freed on their own recognizance, so that they, like Decarlos Brown, kill whenever it suits them. Only dimwitted Marxists, who automatically throw all support to criminals, would think this a good idea.

If the person is a danger to society then why are they given bail in the first place?
See this is where your whole argument gets blown up.
Explain how a dangerous criminal becomes safer if they have money for bail.
Lmao.

It would be nice if MAGA could have some common sense.

The founding fathers didn't have to deal with Mad Libs sacrificing the public safety to fantasies about "fighting the power."

Again explain how a dangerous criminal becomes safer when he posts bail.
Lmao.

The founding fathers feared bail could be used as a means to incarcerate innocent people who simply didn’t have the money to bail themselves out of false accusations.

But you go ahead and make the argument that a person who is deemed dangerous to society becomes safer once they pay bail.

 

[Ouroboros]

Sounds like karma.

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”

www.mediamatters.org

Just for grins, I thought it would be fun to see which DP poster was first on this thread to either (1) approve of Kirk's death because he was Evil, or (2) make light of the death with a stupid joke. This one is just (2).

 

[Ouroboros]

Unfortunately we don’t all agree on that point, Trump’s actions such as his pardons welcome and incite political violence.

Episodes like this are a terrible yet predictable outcome of the MAGA movement.

And here's (1), the first post on the thread to tacitly approve of violence by blaming it on the Right.

There was a previous post accusing the Left of their penchant for violence, but Absentglare was not responding to that, only to Trixare's post re rejecting violence.