[W: #255] The hypocrisy of most trans opponents

[maquiscat]

Saw this on FB, and it shows very clearly the selective outrage that most trans opponents have when it comes to children. Not to mention the lies where those permanent changes are NOT happening to trans children. If opponents are so outraged at children supposedly having permanent body changes, then why are they not outraged at the actual permanent changes that cannot be undone later in life? And no showing hypocrisy is not whataboutism.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Even bigger hypocrisy is over 20,000 cosmetic surgeries are performed on teens a year on average, and around 240,000 cosmetic procedures are also performed. Quite a few I'd say, pretty much dwarfs any trans numbers. Still, the outrage. They still can't admit "why" trans bother them so much. It's like Twilight.

 

[LittleNipper]

Saw this on FB, and it shows very clearly the selective outrage that most trans opponents have when it comes to children. Not to mention the lies where those permanent changes are NOT happening to trans children. If opponents are so outraged at children supposedly having permanent body changes, then why are they not outraged at the actual permanent changes that cannot be undone later in life? And no showing hypocrisy is not whataboutism.

A dancer practices and does various routines. They don't have body parts removed and they generally abstain from drug use. A teenager who bench-presses will likely begin to look like he's been through military training after a while. But again, this is accomplished through workouts and repetitions ---- not through a hospital stay an plastic surgery. And even then such training should be done later as opposed to earlier...

 

[maquiscat]

A dancer practices and does various routines. They don't have body parts removed and they generally abstain from drug use. A teenager who bench-presses will likely begin to look like he's been through military training after a while. But again, this is accomplished through workouts and repetitions ---- not through a hospital stay an plastic surgery. And even then such training should be done later as opposed to earlier...

They have their body permanently altered at a young age, before they have the ability to understand what that change will do to them later in life. Is that not what trans opponents are against? Why is it any different because it happens over years instead of on a surgical table? It is still a permanent change before they reach the claimed age to be able to provide informed consent. Given that you did not address that part, makes me think you did not read the whole of the attachment.

 

[CLAX1911]

Saw this on FB, and it shows very clearly the selective outrage that most trans opponents have when it comes to children. Not to mention the lies where those permanent changes are NOT happening to trans children. If opponents are so outraged at children supposedly having permanent body changes, then why are they not outraged at the actual permanent changes that cannot be undone later in life? And no showing hypocrisy is not whataboutism.

This is falsehood there's a lot of things regarding transition that are permanent go talk to a woman that detransitioned. You can hear that their voice is deep they might have to permanently shave their face the effects of testosterone are very difficult and sometimes impossible to reverse.

But everything you choose to do is going to alter you permanently but still leave you a functioning human being.

Also a small child can transition into a ballet dancer that's how we have ballet dancers a small boy cannot ever transition into a girl no matter what you do they'll always be a boy.

 

[CLAX1911]

A dancer practices and does various routines. They don't have body parts removed and they generally abstain from drug use. A teenager who bench-presses will likely begin to look like he's been through military training after a while. But again, this is accomplished through workouts and repetitions ---- not through a hospital stay an plastic surgery. And even then such training should be done later as opposed to earlier...

Something as simple as learning how to sing or playing video games will make permanent alterations to you just growing up will make permanent alterations to you.

But the point I'm standing with is a boy can be ballet dancer a kid can be a gamer or a person can be a champion at an eating contest.

A boy can never become a girl not in a million years and a girl can never become a boy. Doctors that tell them that there is a transition on lion and should be charged with fraud.

 

[Real blank]

Saw this on FB, and it shows very clearly the selective outrage that most trans opponents have when it comes to children. Not to mention the lies where those permanent changes are NOT happening to trans children. If opponents are so outraged at children supposedly having permanent body changes, then why are they not outraged at the actual permanent changes that cannot be undone later in life? And no showing hypocrisy is not whataboutism.

Apples and oranges

 

[Lisa]

The only people who are outraged about transgender care for teens are those who don't understand the concept of gender identity in the first place. Ignorance is the problem.

 

[brianpatrick]

A dancer practices and does various routines. They don't have body parts removed and they generally abstain from drug use. A teenager who bench-presses will likely begin to look like he's been through military training after a while. But again, this is accomplished through workouts and repetitions ---- not through a hospital stay a plastic surgery. And even then such training should be done later as opposed to earlier...

Dancers and weight lifters maybe, but plastic surgery among teens is fairly common these days and was even back in the late eighties when I was in high school.

 

[maquiscat]

Apples and oranges

Explain how it is apples and oranges. BTW, apples and oranges are both fruits, meaning that there are a lot of similarities. So depending on the context, a comparison of apples and oranges can be quite valid.

 

[maquiscat]

The only people who are outraged about transgender care for teens are those who don't understand the concept of gender identity in the first place. Ignorance is the problem.

Not only. There are people who are honestly alright with anything for adults and even accept the concept of gender identity, that still feel that surgery and hormones have no place being done on minors. Ignorance is still the problem, but they are not the same people who are also calling for bathroom laws and such.

 

[Lisa]

Not only. There are people who are honestly alright with anything for adults and even accept the concept of gender identity, that still feel that surgery and hormones have no place being done on minors. Ignorance is still the problem, but they are not the same people who are also calling for bathroom laws and such.

I am agreeing with you more and more.

What h bathrooms did they think that transgender people have been using without an issue for the past 70+ years? Bathrooms are a non-issue, as is medical care for teens. It is very telling that none of the conservatives post supporting sources or links to support their opinions because somehow they think that the fact that they have an opinion, no matter how ignorant or unscientific it is means that it is equal in validity to a source from the AMA, Psychologist, WPATH or Psychiatrists.

Pardon my French but opinions are like hemorrhoids; every asshole has one.

Isaac Asimov predicted this cult of ignorance over 40 years ago.

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."https://www.azquotes.com/author/605-Isaac_Asimov/tag/ignorance

Transgender kids and teens exist. Transgender feelings is not just cosmetic or a phase. It never has been. The hard part for many is that is require more than binary thinking that they are not capable of. This situation cannot be ignored if the teen is going to grow up into a happy and healthy, both mentally and physically, adult.

I have yet to see a single conservative who has a real and factual understanding of the diagnosis and treatment for transgender teens. None of them. Its very rare that these same people even have an understanding of the concept of what gender idneity is and means.

 

[Phys251]

Even bigger hypocrisy is over 20,000 cosmetic surgeries are performed on teens a year on average, and around 240,000 cosmetic procedures are also performed. Quite a few I'd say, pretty much dwarfs any trans numbers. Still, the outrage. They still can't admit "why" trans bother them so much. It's like Twilight.

Because these changes don't happen to genitalia. The transphobes are genital-obsessed.

 

[VanceMack]

We have three ballerinas in our family. One is still performing at a pretty high level. The other two no longer do.

They are still women. They both have had children. To my knowledge regarding ballerinas, they dont have to be sterilized and you dont have to fabricate/create delusions to justify normalizing mental illness when it comes to performing ballet.

funny how that works.

 

[Lisa]

We have three ballerinas in our family. One is still performing at a pretty high level. The other two no longer do.

They are still women. They both have had children. To my knowledge regarding ballerinas, they dont have to be sterilized and you dont have to fabricate/create delusions to justify normalizing mental illness when it comes to performing ballet.

funny how that works.

What exactly is this supposed to mean? Your analogy crashed and burned like a NASCAR race.

 

[Phys251]

We have three ballerinas in our family. One is still performing at a pretty high level. The other two no longer do.

They are still women. They both have had children. To my knowledge regarding ballerinas, they dont have to be sterilized and you dont have to fabricate/create delusions to justify normalizing mental illness when it comes to performing ballet.

funny how that works.

Reread the OP and see if you can find the hypocrisy in your position.

 

[Lisa]

Reread the OP and see if you can find the hypocrisy in your position.

It's much more than just hypocrisy. I have yet to see a conservative who understands that gender expression or gender roles are not the same as gender identity.

1.) Male ballet dancers are not feminine or transgender

2.) Drag queens are not transgender. Most drag queens are cisgender homosexual males.

 

[VanceMack]

Now lets step back to reality.

Its not about being a 'trans opponent' or 'trans phobic'. The level of prevalence of ALL TYPES of gender dysphoria globally has always been extremely low...somewhere around 5% to 1.5% of all children, adolescents, and adults...but predominantly found in adult males. That ALL changed approx 10 years ago when transgenderism began being pushed on children in schools...often as young as kindergarten aged children. Where it was pushed we went from a virtually nonexistent problem to a surge of diagnosis in 2017 and then quadrupling in in the 4 years following.

ADULTS foisted this mental illness on children in order to attempt to normalize their own sickness.

So when people SEE this...KNOW this...because its happening right in front of us OPENLY...yeah...they at some point push back. NONE of this would even be an issue if the demented left hadn't deliberately targeted children.

 

[Lisa]

Now lets step back to reality.

Its not about being a 'trans opponent' or 'trans phobic'. The level of prevalence of ALL TYPES of gender dysphoria globally has always been extremely low...somewhere around 5% to 1.5% of all children, adolescents, and adults...but predominantly found in adult males. That ALL changed approx 10 years ago when transgenderism began being pushed on children in schools...often as young as kindergarten aged children. Where it was pushed we went from a virtually nonexistent problem to a surge of diagnosis in 2017 and then quadrupling in in the 4 years following.

This is wrong. You cannot push gender dysphoria on anyone. It is not possible. John Money proved that 40+ years ago.

Recent data from the CDC’s Behavior Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) and Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS) provide an opportunity to update prior population estimates of the number of adults and youth who identify as transgender in the U.S. In 2016 and 2017, the Williams Institute used data from the 2014-15 BRFSS to estimate the number of adults (ages 18 and older) and youth (ages 13 to 17) who identify as transgender. Since then, a total of 43 states have used the BRFSS optional gender identity module for at least one year, providing more years of data from more states since these initial estimates. Additionally, in 2017, the YRBS, a national survey of high school students, began asking respondents if they are transgender. Since 2017, fifteen states have included this question in their YRBS statewide questionnaire. In this study, we use data from the 2017 and 2019 YRBS and the 2017- 2020 BRFSS to find that:

• Over 1.6 million adults (ages 18 and older) and youth (ages 13 to 17) identify as transgender in the United States, or 0.6% of those ages 13 and older.
• Among U.S. adults, 0.5% (about 1.3 million adults) identify as transgender. Among youth ages 13 to 17 in the U.S., 1.4% (about 300,000 youth) identify as transgender.
• Of the 1.3 million adults who identify as transgender, 38.5% (515,200) are transgender women, 35.9% (480,000) are transgender men, and 25.6% (341,800) reported they are gender nonconforming.
• Research shows transgender individuals are younger on average than the U.S. population. We find that youth ages 13 to 17 are significantly more likely to identify as transgender (1.4%) than adults ages 65 or older (0.3%).
• The racial/ethnic distribution of youth and adults who identify as transgender appears generally similar to the U.S. population, though our estimates mirror prior research that found transgender youth and adults are more likely to report being Latinx and less likely to report being White compared to the U.S. population.

How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

ADULTS foisted this mental illness on children in order to attempt to normalize their own sickness.

So when people SEE this...KNOW this...because its happening right in front of us OPENLY...yeah...they at some point push back. NONE of this would even be an issue if the demented left hadn't deliberately targeted children.

What are your sources?

 

[maquiscat]

We have three ballerinas in our family. One is still performing at a pretty high level. The other two no longer do.

They are still women. They both have had children. To my knowledge regarding ballerinas, they dont have to be sterilized and you dont have to fabricate/create delusions to justify normalizing mental illness when it comes to performing ballet.

funny how that works.

Did you not read the attached file talking about the permanent physical changes to their bodys that came from the early training that will never go away. Like how their feet now permanently rest in a position that is not normal for the rest of humans?

 

[VanceMack]

Did you not read the attached file talking about the permanent physical changes to their bodys that came from the early training that will never go away. Like how their feet now permanently rest in a position that is not normal for the rest of humans?

My daughter has a permanent ache in her heel caused by an Achilles tendon injury she experienced through her 7 years of ballet. I blew out both knees and my neck playing football and soccer from Pop Warner days through college. People play sports. Sometimes it has a long term impact. It doesnt fabricate and promote a lie that is then pushed onto children. They ARE ballerinas...athletes...and still women...and sometimes men. Ballet is something people do. Not a lie about who or what they are.

Has literally **** all to do with your promotion of a mental illness onto children and then advocating that they be put on permanently altering drugs that will sterilize them and prevent them from ever enjoying normal sexual life and relations as an adult...all to justify your acceptance of the mental illness.

 

[maquiscat]

Now lets step back to reality.

No, we need to step up to reality instead of moving back towards ignorance, and bigotry.

Its not about being a 'trans opponent' or 'trans phobic'. The level of prevalence of ALL TYPES of gender dysphoria globally has always been extremely low...somewhere around 5% to 1.5% of all children, adolescents, and adults...

What does low prevalence have to do with anything? If diabetes were to only affect 1% of the population, should we then not worry about treating it?

but predominantly found in adult males.

Predominantly noticed in adult males. That's because 1) it was dismissed in children along with heavy handed methods to force children to conform to the stereotypes of what male and female are "supposed" to be. This applied to both cis and trans gender children. How many cis gender girls have been berated to stop acting like a hoyden, and be "more ladylike"? 2) it has also been covered over in the FtM's in that as women in general have been accepted to act and dress and present in ways that used to be considered "masculine", and have been accepted as such, FtM's could far more easily slip under the radar so to speak. So they could live their lives with a lot less resistance than MtF's.

That ALL changed approx 10 years ago when transgenderism began being pushed on children in schools...often as young as kindergarten aged children. Where it was pushed we went from a virtually nonexistent problem to a surge of diagnosis in 2017 and then quadrupling in in the 4 years following.

You mean was no longer kept hidden. No one is teaching them anything other than existence, yet alone anything sexual. Can you even tell me what is sexual about transgender people?

ADULTS foisted this mental illness on children in order to attempt to normalize their own sickness.

That's rather like claiming veterans are foisting their mental illness of PTSD onto non-veterans to attempt to normalize their own sickness. Or interracial couples foisting their mental illness (it was an argument that only the mentally ill would want to be in an interracial relationship) onto children in order to attempt to normalize their own sickness.

So when people SEE this...KNOW this...because its happening right in front of us OPENLY...yeah...they at some point push back.

See and know openly that trans people exist. Well I guess it's as much of a push back as blacks got when they tried for equality as well.

NONE of this would even be an issue if the demented left hadn't deliberately targeted children.

That's bull and you know it. Even if not a single person was coming out as transgender until after 18, there would still be all the push back on restrooms and all the rest that is happening to trans adults.

 

[VanceMack]

No, we need to step up to reality instead of moving back towards ignorance, and bigotry.



What does low prevalence have to do with anything? If diabetes were to only affect 1% of the population, should we then not worry about treating it?



Predominantly noticed in adult males. That's because 1) it was dismissed in children along with heavy handed methods to force children to conform to the stereotypes of what male and female are "supposed" to be. This applied to both cis and trans gender children. How many cis gender girls have been berated to stop acting like a hoyden, and be "more ladylike"? 2) it has also been covered over in the FtM's in that as women in general have been accepted to act and dress and present in ways that used to be considered "masculine", and have been accepted as such, FtM's could far more easily slip under the radar so to speak. So they could live their lives with a lot less resistance than MtF's.



You mean was no longer kept hidden. No one is teaching them anything other than existence, yet alone anything sexual. Can you even tell me what is sexual about transgender people?



That's rather like claiming veterans are foisting their mental illness of PTSD onto non-veterans to attempt to normalize their own sickness. Or interracial couples foisting their mental illness (it was an argument that only the mentally ill would want to be in an interracial relationship) onto children in order to attempt to normalize their own sickness.



See and know openly that trans people exist. Well I guess it's as much of a push back as blacks got when they tried for equality as well.


That's bull and you know it. Even if not a single person was coming out as transgender until after 18, there would still be all the push back on restrooms and all the rest that is happening to trans adults.

The reality is that this has nothing to with trans phobia or trans opponents...and everything to do with pushing your trans mental illness onto children.

If you people hadnt done that...this wouldnt be a conversation.

At all.

 

[VanceMack]

Did you not read the attached file talking about the permanent physical changes to their bodys that came from the early training that will never go away. Like how their feet now permanently rest in a position that is not normal for the rest of humans?

Yep. That's an unfortunate reality for some ballerinas. And some athletes experience other physical changes. Doesnt in any way shape or form realate to trying to convince children they are mentally ill then drugging them to support the mental illness you pushed.

Still has literally **** all to do with pushing a mental illness onto children and then advocating for drugging them and mutilating them all in the name of justifying the mental illness adults have bought into.

 

[Lisa]

The reality is that this has nothing to with trans phobia or trans opponents...and everything to do with pushing your trans mental illness onto children.

If you people hadnt done that...this wouldnt be a conversation.

At all.

How did anyone push something on to kids? Is it that fact that schools taught tolerance of others who were neither cisgender and heterosexual?

It was never a conversation before and yet they're were transgender kids and teens 10-40 years ago. Did you ever consider that the conservative media is focusing on this to get viewers who don't understand human sexuality enraged as part of a nonexistence social war?

Its is not possible to groom someone to be transgender. This is a medical fact. If a child, teen or an adult is trans then they were born that way. Anything else is just not possible. Vance, I get it that you want to believe what Fox and others are telling you is true but their claims are not not possible or even rational. You also don't want to admit that you have been hoodwinked.

Were people grooming kids to be gay 30-60 years ago, or is that different? Who groomed the people who are transgender adults now?