[W:238] Which gun control policies do you support?

[Noodlegawd]

The article I posted here that proved that the leading cause of death in CHILDREN is firearms. Then I taught you the definition of a “child”.

No, the article you posted talks about the "leading cause of death among children and adolescents, defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age." And I pointed out that 18 and 19 year olds are not children, which you confirmed by providing a definition indicating that children are people who are UNDER 18.

I also provided links to the ACTUAL CDC data for just children, which shows that the leading cause of death remains motor vehicles.

Most importantly, I pointed out how odd it is that, after all these years, you suddenly care about the leading cause of death in children. What a coincidence that you suddenly care, now that you can use it (albeit dishonestly) to promote restrictions on rights OTHER people care about, instead of those you probably care about yourself.

“Under the law, a child usually refers to an individual who is a minor, who is below legal age or the age of majority. The age of majority being 18 in most states. Being below the age of majority means that the child will have fewer rights but also less responsibilities than those who have attained the age of majority.””
I child is anyone under the age of 18. It is a FACT that the leading cause of death in ALL CHILDREN is now firearms, be they a baby, a toddler, a prepubescent person, or a teen-they are all “CHILDREN”. Perhaps you might win this if you said that motor vehicle accidents aren’t the leading cause of death in 2-3 year olds. You didn’t. Under the law, a child usually refers to an individual who is a minor, who is below legal age or the age of majority. The age of majority being 18 in most states. Being below the age of majority means that the child will have fewer rights but also less responsibilities than those who have attained the age of majority.”Those are facts. I have proved my point and won’t debate facts.

If you can’t understand this then I can’t help you any more.

I can understand it just fine. It says that a person who as reached the age of majority, i.e., 18, is not a child. That's what I've been saying all along. Thanks for confirming it. Again.

 

[Ethel2]

No, the article you posted talks about the "leading cause of death among children and adolescents, defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age." And I pointed out that 18 and 19 year olds are not children, which you confirmed by providing a definition indicating that children are people who are UNDER 18.

I also provided links to the ACTUAL CDC data for just children, which shows that the leading cause of death remains motor vehicles.

Most importantly, I pointed out how odd it is that, after all these years, you suddenly care about the leading cause of death in children. What a coincidence that you suddenly care, now that you can use it (albeit dishonestly) to promote restrictions on rights OTHER people care about, instead of those you probably care about yourself.



I can understand it just fine. It says that a person who as reached the age of majority, i.e., 18, is not a child. That's what I've been saying all along. Thanks for confirming it. Again.

Look, a child is defined as someone who is under the age of 18. Thats a fact. It is also a fact that the leading cause of death in children is no longer MVAs, its firearms. I provided sufficient documentation to prove this. If you cannot understand these facts (which isn't surprising since it doesn't agree with your narrative) I cannot help you. Only those who live in a fantasy world cannot understand what is fact and what is not fact.
The truth is that firearm deaths are now THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN CHILDREN, children being defined as less than 18 years of age. But even if you don't understand this you must admit that firearm deaths are a very large reason CHILDREN are being killed.

Here is the final proof that all normal people can digest:

The previous analysis, which examined data through 2016, showed that firearm-related injuries were second only to motor vehicle crashes (both traffic-related and nontraffic-related) as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents, defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age.4 Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

When you can understand these FACTS and are ready to propose a realistic solution that includes additional restrictions on firearms get back to me.
Until then we have nothing to discuss.

 

[RF667799]

No they're not. "Children and teens" includes 18 and 19 year olds, who are adults, not children. The leading cause of death in actual children continues to be motor vehicles, as it was (by far) for "children and teens" during the 19 years prior to 2020.

How strange it is that, after all these years, you suddenly care about the leading cause of death in "children and teens."

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Reports

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Queries and Reports.

wisqars.cdc.gov

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Reports

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Queries and Reports.

wisqars.cdc.gov

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Reports

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Queries and Reports.

wisqars.cdc.gov

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Reports

WISQARS Fatal and Nonfatal Injury Queries and Reports.

wisqars.cdc.gov

Don't forget that much touted statistic excludes children under 1.

 

[RF667799]

Look, a child is defined as someone who is under the age of 18. Thats a fact. It is also a fact that the leading cause of death in children is no longer MVAs, its firearms. I provided sufficient documentation to prove this. If you cannot understand these facts (which isn't surprising since it doesn't agree with your narrative) I cannot help you. Only those who live in a fantasy world cannot understand what is fact and what is not fact.
The truth is that firearm deaths are now THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN CHILDREN, children being defined as less than 18 years of age. But even if you don't understand this you must admit that firearm deaths are a very large reason CHILDREN are being killed.

Here is the final proof that all normal people can digest:

The previous analysis, which examined data through 2016, showed that firearm-related injuries were second only to motor vehicle crashes (both traffic-related and nontraffic-related) as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents, defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age.4 Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

When you can understand these FACTS and are ready to propose a realistic solution that includes additional restrictions on firearms get back to me.
Until then we have nothing to discuss.

That was a lengthy post just to completely contradict yourself.

 

[Ethel2]

Well here's a step in the right direction. Illinois has an assault weapons ban and the SC declined to void it!

The Supreme Court refused to block a local and state ban on assault weapon sales in Illinois, rejecting an emergency request from gun rights advocates and a gun store.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/politics/supreme-court-refuses-to-block-assault-weapons-bans-in-illinois/index.html

 

[Ethel2]

No reasonable NORMAL person can't understand that the more guns that are around, especially assault weapons, the more mass shootings will occur. So happy I do not live in Texas, the EPICENTER of the Wild Wild West gun murders:

CNN —
Five of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in America over the past eight years have been in Texas, the latest occurring in Allen in early May when a gunman fired an AR-15-style rifle at a crowded outlet mall, killing eight people and injuring at least seven others.

The number of mass shootings in Texas is no coincidence given the sheer number of guns in the hands of the public, several gun violence experts told CNN.

Texas has among the most expansive gun rights in the country – roughly 60% of households own at least one gun, according to an Everytown for Gun Safety analysis of 2021 data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That’s the second-highest rate in the country and above the national average of 55% of households owning one or more guns, according to Everytown.

There is a direct correlation between states with weaker gun laws and higher rates of gun deaths, according to a study first published by Everytown in 2021. That relation is evident in Texas, where the number of mass shootings has tripled in the past five years, while mass shootings nationwide have nearly doubled from 2018 through the end of last year, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive (GVA)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/us/texas-gun-ownership-mass-shootings/index.html

 

[RF667799]

No reasonable NORMAL person can't understand that the more guns that are around, especially assault weapons, the more mass shootings will occur. So happy I do not live in Texas, the EPICENTER of the Wild Wild West gun murders:

CNN —
Five of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in America over the past eight years have been in Texas, the latest occurring in Allen in early May when a gunman fired an AR-15-style rifle at a crowded outlet mall, killing eight people and injuring at least seven others.

The number of mass shootings in Texas is no coincidence given the sheer number of guns in the hands of the public, several gun violence experts told CNN.

Texas has among the most expansive gun rights in the country – roughly 60% of households own at least one gun, according to an Everytown for Gun Safety analysis of 2021 data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That’s the second-highest rate in the country and above the national average of 55% of households owning one or more guns, according to Everytown.

There is a direct correlation between states with weaker gun laws and higher rates of gun deaths, according to a study first published by Everytown in 2021. That relation is evident in Texas, where the number of mass shootings has tripled in the past five years, while mass shootings nationwide have nearly doubled from 2018 through the end of last year, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive (GVA)

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/us/texas-gun-ownership-mass-shootings/index.html

So why do some states with more guns have less homicide, again?

 

[RF667799]

Well here's a step in the right direction. Illinois has an assault weapons ban and the SC declined to void it!

The Supreme Court refused to block a local and state ban on assault weapon sales in Illinois, rejecting an emergency request from gun rights advocates and a gun store.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/17/politics/supreme-court-refuses-to-block-assault-weapons-bans-in-illinois/index.html

The fat lady hasn't even cleared her throat.

 

[Seth]

I lock my house. Good enough.

As long as you didn't leave any children in that locked house, yes.

 

[SMTA]

Look, a child is defined as someone who is under the age of 18. Thats a fact. It is also a fact that the leading cause of death in children is no longer MVAs, its firearms. I provided sufficient documentation to prove this. If you cannot understand these facts (which isn't surprising since it doesn't agree with your narrative) I cannot help you. Only those who live in a fantasy world cannot understand what is fact and what is not fact.
The truth is that firearm deaths are now THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN CHILDREN, children being defined as less than 18 years of age. But even if you don't understand this you must admit that firearm deaths are a very large reason CHILDREN are being killed.

Here is the final proof that all normal people can digest:

The previous analysis, which examined data through 2016, showed that firearm-related injuries were second only to motor vehicle crashes (both traffic-related and nontraffic-related) as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents, defined as persons 1 to 19 years of age.4 Since 2016, that gap has narrowed, and in 2020, firearm-related injuries became the leading cause of death in that age group.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

When you can understand these FACTS and are ready to propose a realistic solution that includes additional restrictions on firearms get back to me.
Until then we have nothing to discuss.

The CDC says your post and opinions are crap.
Frankly, all of your posts are worthless crap.

 

[rahl]

get rid of them completely.......and make a law where anyone caught with a gun gets automatic 20 years and anyone using a gun on gets life ........build more prisons......

In addition to being impossible, it would also require a constitutional amendment.

 

[rahl]

The article I posted here that proved that the leading cause of death in CHILDREN is firearms. Then I taught you the definition of a “child”.

But as you know, that statement is a lie. 18-19 year olds are not children.

 

[soylentgreen]

Those things would help too

It is not a war on guns . That is just the usual crap propaganda from the pro gun crowd. It is in fact a war on that kind of propaganda that should be fought.

 

[Ethel2]

The CDC says your post and opinions are crap.
Frankly, all of your posts are worthless crap.

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Thanks. I will give your opinion all the attention and consideration it deserves, which is zero.
The post I linked here was from the New England Journal of Medicine-one of the most well respected medical journals in the country. Try to do your homework so you don't post more embarrassing crap here.
"NEJM" is the New England Journal of Medicine. If you don't know how to click on the link I can post the entire article for you. If you can't read the entire article get help reading it.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

And:

INDIANAPOLIS — Nearly two weeks after the deadly school shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, doctors are sounding the alarm over deadly gun violence impacting kids and teens.
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows guns are the leading cause of death for young Americans. And it's a trend that's only climbed higher in recent years.

CDC: Guns are now the leading cause of death in kids, teens

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows guns are the leading cause of death for young Americans.

www.wthr.com

It is a fact that guns are the leading cause of death in children. I will not debate facts.

 

[SMTA]

Thanks. I will give your opinion all the attention and consideration it deserves, which is zero.
The post I linked here was from the New England Journal of Medicine-one of the most well respected medical journals in the country. Try to do your homework so you don't post more embarrassing crap here.
"NEJM" is the New England Journal of Medicine.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

Of course you ignore real facts to continue spew lies and garbage.
Your constant flow of ****ing ignorant posts is most comical.

 

[Citizen]

It is not a war on guns . That is just the usual crap propaganda from the pro gun crowd. It is in fact a war on that kind of propaganda that should be fought.

True

 

[Ethel2]

Of course you ignore real facts to continue spew lies and garbage.
Your constant flow of ****ing ignorant posts is most comical.

Get back to me when your posts return to reality and you can accept the facts I post here for your education.

 

[SMTA]

Get back to me when your posts return to reality and you can accept the facts I post here for your education.

Lies and bullshit in your posts educate nobody

 

[Ethel2]

Lies and bullshit in your posts educate nobody

I can teach you, but you have to be willing to learn.
Get back to me when your posts return to reality and you can accept the facts I post here for your education.
This is from the second link I provided. Its written in English:

INDIANAPOLIS — Nearly two weeks after the deadly school shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, doctors are sounding the alarm over deadly gun violence impacting kids and teens.
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows guns are the leading cause of death for young Americans. And it's a trend that's only climbed higher in recent years.

Dr. Brett Engbrecht, medical director for pediatric trauma with Ascension St. Vincent, said these numbers are heartbreaking, but not surprising.
"It's really a sad thing because many of these are potentially preventable," Engbrecht said.
Engbrecht said their team is ready around the clock to help kids, regardless of their injuries. But cases where kids come in with gunshot wounds are especially tough.
"They're somebody who has value and so it is sad. If we could prevent some of them and it's not just those that die, but those that are injured and survive still have consequences from that and long-term impacts," Engbrecht said. "So it is a sad thing."
Data from the CDC shows guns are now the leading cause of death in children and adolescents.

 

[Indydave]

imo we as a nation are no longer mature enough to possess guns.......yes it is a dam shame that those of who are mature enough to understand the seriousness of possessing a gun will have to forfeit our right to do so because those who are not are murdering innocent people......but we do not have a choice......we have tried everything else......nothing has worked......gun abolishment works every where in the world......imo the carnage will not stop until we do this.....we are the most free nation on the planet.......but this freedom is killing us

 

[rahl]

I can teach you, but you have to be willing to learn.
Get back to me when your posts return to reality and you can accept the facts I post here for your education.
This is from the second link I provided. Its written in English:

INDIANAPOLIS — Nearly two weeks after the deadly school shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, doctors are sounding the alarm over deadly gun violence impacting kids and teens.
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows guns are the leading cause of death for young Americans. And it's a trend that's only climbed higher in recent years.

Dr. Brett Engbrecht, medical director for pediatric trauma with Ascension St. Vincent, said these numbers are heartbreaking, but not surprising.
"It's really a sad thing because many of these are potentially preventable," Engbrecht said.
Engbrecht said their team is ready around the clock to help kids, regardless of their injuries. But cases where kids come in with gunshot wounds are especially tough.
"They're somebody who has value and so it is sad. If we could prevent some of them and it's not just those that die, but those that are injured and survive still have consequences from that and long-term impacts," Engbrecht said. "So it is a sad thing."
Data from the CDC shows guns are now the leading cause of death in children and adolescents.

why do you keep lying about this after it has been proven to be a lie?

 

[Ethel2]

imo we as a nation are no longer mature enough to possess guns.......yes it is a dam shame that those of who are mature enough to understand the seriousness of possessing a gun will have to forfeit our right to do so because those who are not are murdering innocent people......but we do not have a choice......we have tried everything else......nothing has worked......gun abolishment works every where in the world......imo the carnage will not stop until we do this.....we are the most free nation on the planet.......but this freedom is killing us

That would be nice, but its not realistic. It would require abolishing 2A. We can't even get sane firearms control laws passed, let alone do away with them.

 

[SMTA]

I can teach you, but you have to be willing to learn.
Get back to me when your posts return to reality and you can accept the facts I post here for your education.
This is from the second link I provided. Its written in English:

INDIANAPOLIS — Nearly two weeks after the deadly school shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, doctors are sounding the alarm over deadly gun violence impacting kids and teens.
Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows guns are the leading cause of death for young Americans. And it's a trend that's only climbed higher in recent years.

Dr. Brett Engbrecht, medical director for pediatric trauma with Ascension St. Vincent, said these numbers are heartbreaking, but not surprising.
"It's really a sad thing because many of these are potentially preventable," Engbrecht said.
Engbrecht said their team is ready around the clock to help kids, regardless of their injuries. But cases where kids come in with gunshot wounds are especially tough.
"They're somebody who has value and so it is sad. If we could prevent some of them and it's not just those that die, but those that are injured and survive still have consequences from that and long-term impacts," Engbrecht said. "So it is a sad thing."
Data from the CDC shows guns are now the leading cause of death in children and adolescents.

I only learn from honest and intelligent people.
Your posts are full of worthless bullshit, ignorant opinion, and absolute lies.
Your ignorant posts have zero value to normal, smart people like me. There are many other like individuals here that hold your garbage in low regard as well.

 

[Ethel2]

I only learn from honest and intelligent people.
Your posts are full of worthless bullshit, ignorant opinion, and absolute lies.
Your ignorant posts have zero value to normal, smart people like me. There are many other like individuals here that hold your garbage in low regard as well.

At least you have a sense of humor. “Normal smart people “ like you?
HAHAHAHAHA
I posted proof of my claims in two separate links and you couldn’t even understand them.
Maybe I should try a different language. Is there another language you prefer?

 

[SMTA]

At least you have a sense of humor. “Normal smart people “ like you?
HAHAHAHAHA
I posted proof of my claims in two separate links and you couldn’t even understand them.
Maybe I should try a different language. Is there another language you prefer?

You still post stupid shit constantly