Well, If we are going to have this ridiculous discussion referencing to different historical battlefields in order to predict how the war will end in the Ukraine..If I am not mistaken I pointed out in name the Generals I was alluding to. I made mention of Robert E Lee, Longstreet, Thomas Jackson, McClellan, AP HIll, DH Hill. So those are the one I can be asked to address.
You have to do more than that. When I used Rober E Lee as an example I did not just make vague references. I selected an example: the Peninsula campaign, and went into a detailed explanation- at least as far as a forum post can allow- on how he pulled a victory out of a near hopeless situation.
I will like to ask you how you believe the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia could have been better handled. Was the Army of Northern Virginia better off under Lee's predecessor Joseph E Johnston? And more to the point, are you seriously saying the handling of the Army of Northern Virginia by Lee in the Seven Days of Battles was not brilliant?
Lee fought many other battles, you are welcome to make your pick if the Peninsula Campaign is not your preferred choice.
And you are also welcome to select European Generals you like to make your point.
As to Grant, you are also welcome to contrast him with Lee, to demonstrate how you came about with the conclusion that he was far superior. And before you go into it I will like to point out to you that Lee almost always took to the field against superior odds, while Grant had the superiority on his side. That has to be factored in when you judge Generals
Hmm, have we caught you on a bad week?There appears to be rivalry among the posters. It seems that the poster who knows most about past military campaigns and present military weapons systems must be about to get an award since some attack others for not having attained their level of proficiency in these matters and others defend against any minor ignorance of a fact (say about some obscure Civil War skirmish). In my opinion, there is testosterone at work.
I come here to find out what is going on beyond what I can cull from the newspapers. Some of you have wonderful backgrounds and wonderful minds and I learn a lot from you. I see no need to fight Napoleon's battles here again. I am sure that they have been chronicled in many military history books and reading about them here detracts from the thread.
Please, please listen to @W_Heisenberg and just drop this topic. I really do not want to give you a lesson on South Vietnam; you are not a quick enough learner.
I believe I am missing something. What is the AngloZionist Empire about?
Ukraine is increasingly, incrementally, beginning to look like Russia's Afghanistan + NATO. Indeed, Afghanistan 2.0 + NATO.As the KIA/WIA increases, economics sanctions taking a toll, a long list of negatives.
Wonder where we will be come Jan?
How will Putin sell/spin this war come the New Year?
Novorussya, or "new Russia" is an 19th century term of the Tsarist empire that was reanimated by Putin to re-establish former Tsarist and Soviet imperial ownership. Nominally it included the black sea coast and some part of eastern Ukraine, especially the Donbas. It's 'definition' as "Russian" aside from historic conquest by Russian Tsars is that of being one of Russia's (or Muskuvoy's) history of many internal colonializations. Russians migrated into and took over some areas as "theirs" and in the meantime, under the Soviets, millions of resistant heritage peoples of Ukraine were ethnically cleansed and shipped to the far east.
Complicating the definition is the contradictory Russian views of Ukrainians as really Russians and are therefore illegitimate as a separate nation, which is in tension with their common view that Russians are different in language and culture and they should own the east half the country, and the remainder in the west can be taken by Poland (or otherwise left to wither with those western Ukrainians).
This is, as those of us familiar with Russian "logic", a case of having your cake and eating it too (i.e. "you are really Russian except when we say you are not").
Anyway, while Putin has adopted these typical Russian nationalist views he also adds his own expansive ambitions ; all Russians are compatriots, which is defined as anyone who is a Russian speaker, and they are protected "regardless of whether they want it or need it and irrespective of the fact that they live in another sovereign state." (Catherine Wanner, ‘“Fraternal” nations and challenges to sovereignty in Ukraine" American Ethnologist (August 2014), p.432.)
As for what Russian minorities wanted regarding separatism was, and even more so is, irrelevant. Only in Crimea and parts (not the whole) of the Donbas were ethno Russians a majority. More importantly since 2014 the identification with Russia plummeted. The Party of Regions imploded. And upon the invasion, even recognized pro Russian sympathizers refused to cooperate with the invaders (the Mayor of Odesa, the Mayor of Kyrvyi Rih (Zelensky's home town)). The vast majority of Ukrainians in "New Russia", including those who speak as Russians, don't want to be part of Putin's "New Russia".
Putin is simply playing the "ethnic card" and the diaspora as a breaker of nations, usable for the purpose of destroying consolidated states in the formerly in the Soviet imperial boundaries. He could give a fart about what the people in those spaces want or yearn for.
There appears to be rivalry among the posters. It seems that the poster who knows most about past military campaigns and present military weapons systems must be about to get an award since some attack others for not having attained their level of proficiency in these matters and others defend against any minor ignorance of a fact (say about some obscure Civil War skirmish). In my opinion, there is testosterone at work.
I come here to find out what is going on beyond what I can cull from the newspapers. Some of you have wonderful backgrounds and wonderful minds and I learn a lot from you. I see no need to fight Napoleon's battles here again. I am sure that they have been chronicled in many military history books and reading about them here detracts from the thread.
Not hogwash. Bakhmut and Kramatorsk are the linch pins to take the rest of the Donbas. Saying otherwise is just sour grapes.Just an info note. Avdiivka and Pisky have been battleground towns since 2014, often switching hands and sometimes being occupied simultaneously.
So to propose that a Russian occupation of either town is a major Kremlin victory is just plain hogwash.
I'd love to talk about this million man counter offensive in Kherson. Any news on it?Ukraine is increasingly, incrementally, beginning to look like Russia's Afghanistan + NATO. Indeed, Afghanistan 2.0 + NATO.
Even without NATO in Afghanistan but with US weapons that were basic and simple, plus US trainers, Soviet Russia bled to death then bumbled on to its ultimate collapse. To the contrary btw after Vietnam the US reorganized its armed force by implementing the AVF then twice elected Reagan who was Soviet Russia's worst nightmare. Indeed, US multibillion corporations are never going to accept Russia or China as their rulers/owners. Neither will the US armed forces for their own reasons of fidelity course.
US departing Afghanistan has had no negative consequence domestically. The current USA domestic turmoil began after voters across the nation elected Obama, then voters reelected Obama -- this is when the Republican party went openly and brazenly fascist. That is, Americans who vote "wrong" need to be stopped, their leaders locked away. Yet this will not end well for 'em of course -- and for certain.
Your inquisitive probe into where hard pressed Russia will be come January is valid, whereas we've seen the PutinRowers stop saying to check back with 'em at the end of the year. As Russia continues to bleed in Ukraine the PutinRowers are dreading the end of the year. The Rowers have stopped trying to poke at us about a Ukraine million man Army everyone except them knew was not a statement to be taken literally. Rather, Russia is looking now at a Ukraine counteroffensive in the South to regain its seaports, thereby forcing Russia to divide its bleeding forces to the South from the Donbas wasteland. Indeed Donbas was always a PutinPatch that like a flawed postage stamp won't stick. And after Ukraine regains its seaports Donbass will be a PutinPatch postage stamp that gets retired.
Even in the 19th century the long practiced principle was to recruit willing Soldiers, train and treat them well and have leaders that care about 'em and their well being. In contrast of course badly performing armies as we are witnessing of the Russians in Ukraine are composed of unwilling conscripts who are poorly treated and led on top of being inadequately armed and equipped. The "don'ts" are exactly Russia in Ukraine ain't they.Juin, your examples from the Civil war do not cut it. 99% of the US Generals were just friking military morons. The troops they lead had their officers elected, even their senior officers.
Lee was a 1 trick pony, had no idea of a overall strategic plan. Had only 1 solution to a battle. The Union Generals, should have not made Corporal.
The incompetence of military leadership in the civil war is just epic, including the troops.
The one who finally got it was Grant, but the rest are just pretenders, actors. From the military side, that war is a embarrassment, of incompetence and nothing more, costing 100 of thousand soldiers their lives.
Nothing to be proud of.
You missed the line in my post that, "The Putin Rowers have stopped trying to poke at us about a Ukraine million man Army everyone except them knew was not a statement to be taken literally."I'd love to talk about this million man counter offensive in Kherson. Any news on it?
I'd love to talk about this million man counter offensive in Kherson. Any news on it?
Something appears to have spooked Kyiv. The air in the western media is still thick with frenzied expectations of the much announced counter offensives. Understandable. Kyiv has done an excellent job marketing it. But a new alarm is emerging from Kyiv. Bizarre. Cause the drift of the announcements suggests Kyiv is actually seeing a possible Russian offensive in Kherson. First there were hysterical screams from Kyiv that Russia had massed some 30 BTGs. How Russia managed to do that under the blitz of Kyiv's HIMARs is not explained. Now another alarm call is that the Russians are chomping at the bits to have a go at Zelensky's hometown Kryvyi Rih. Zelensky's hometown. That has to be hallowed ground. Where the Ukrainian Moses saw the light of the day? To lose Kryvyi Rih will be as devastating a blow as the Israelites losing the Arc of the Covenant to the Philistines.
KYIV, Aug 3 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Wednesday that Russia had started creating a military strike force aimed at President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's hometown of Kryvyi Rih and warned that Moscow could be preparing new offensive operations in southern Ukraine.
Ukraine says Russia creating strike force aimed at Zelenskiy's hometown
Ukraine said on Wednesday that Russia had started creating a military strike force aimed at President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's hometown of Kryvyi Rih and warned that Moscow could be preparing new offensive operations in southern Ukraine.www.reuters.com
Not hogwash. Bakhmut and Kramatorsk are the linch pins to take the rest of the Donbas. Saying otherwise is just sour grapes.
That is completely possible. If I have been bringing anyone down, I apologize.Hmm, have we caught you on a bad week
Apology accepted.That is completely possible. If I have been bringing anyone down, I apologize.
I'd love to talk about this million man counter offensive in Kherson. Any news on it?
hat is completely possible. If I have been bringing anyone down, I apologize.
It seems to be true, but that is how reality is sometimes. Maybe one day I will pretend that Ukraine is winning the war to make everyone feel good.Don't worry Mom. justoneman is a perpetual downer
It seems to be true, but that is how reality is sometimes. Maybe one day I will pretend that Ukraine is winning the war to make everyone feel good.
It seems to be true, but that is how reality is sometimes. Maybe one day I will pretend that Ukraine is winning the war to make everyone feel good.
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