[W:2270] Does a Gun Make Your Home Safer?

[TurtleDude]

According to ATF data, the US added more than 200 million firearms since 1986.

and many of them that cause the most fear and trembling among the gun haters-semi automatic rifles, and semi auto "high capacity" handguns. AR 15 sales have gone through the roof since the Clinton regime tried to ban them

 

[jaeger19]

That's BS, how do you know what someone else is thinking. The stats are what speak to the US and its love for guns. Not only pistols and guns designed for hunting, but guns of war ..weapons designed
to kill humans.

I remember years ago when I was in the Army and was handed an M-16 with a grenade launcher attached to it, it was a beautiful, powerful feeling.

America is in love with guns.

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Umm you told us what you were thinking..
" loving to touch them..loving to dream of taking down a bad guy".
That was you telling us what you thought.

 

[Individual]

sort of like the bogus claim that more people and more guns=more gun violence?
A senile Ronald Reagan-touched by the brain damage his friend James Brady suffered-supported the Brady act, saying that reduction in violence (at least he speculated that this would happen) is why he supported it

merely preventing felons from buying guns from licensed dealers means nothing if the rate fo firearms violence does not decrease. and guess what-there is no evidence that the Brady bill decreased firearms violence

Make it easier for gun dealers, tattoo the word "FELON" on the forehead of everyone convicted of a felony crime. Instant background check.
Most people would probably not want the tattoo, and it would make it easier to avoid felons who might illegally acquire guns.

 

[bluesmoke]

You're free to give up your gun(s), I'll keep mine.

Can't really say much about the study referred to in this thread, as the only person I knew who committed suicide did not own a gun and none of my gun owning friends have been victims of homicide, so the odds are acceptable.

Guns are here to stay, but even if guns could be totally eliminated, violence would remain.

It would just be less successful violence.

 

[Individual]

It would just be less successful violence.

Or just a different form of successful violence.

 

[TurtleDude]

Or just a different form of successful violence.

it is amazing that all the liberals who most likely know about the failures of the war on drugs, suddenly forget all of that when they think laws will keep felons from getting guns

 

[rahl]

Pools and cars are not designed by intent for the purpose of doing harm. Guns are.

No they aren’t. They are designed to propel a projectile.

That’s what I said. Not what you falsely stated. You can’t refute what I said. What I said is true.

No it isn’t and he’s I have. Neither are “designed” to do harm. Yet pools and cars do more harm than firearms which completely negates your argument

What does the % have to do with anything because it appears to be small? Is that your excuse to not mitigate such threat?

Yes, that’s how all threats are prioritized and mitigate.

No sense in pursuing a murder case because they compose such a “tiny minute fraction of the uses of firearms”. No sense in developing antidote for venomous snake and insect bites.

Strawman

The only one listed that involves violence is suicide, the most of which is accomplished by firearm. I already defined my context as being violent death.

And I have already point snout why that cherry picked statistic is meaningless

You’re purposely attempting to change the subject. It’s not your subject. It’s mine.

Actually it isn’t your subject. It’s your argument, which I have defeated

The subject is violence. The claim was "However they kill more children than guns." Meaning, pools and tools kill more children than guns. You failed to prove that, so you changed the subject to incl non-violent death.

Because your cherry picked numbers are meaningless.

You can’t refute what I said with evidence pertinent to the subject of violent death.

Because I don’t need to. I’ve refuted the point you were trying to make, by pointing out firearms are less dangerous than pool and cars. This is objective reality.

 

[TurtleDude]

No they aren’t. They are designed to propel a projectile.

No it isn’t and he’s I have. Neither are “designed” to do harm. Yet pools and cars do more harm than firearms which completely negates your argument


Yes, that’s how all threats are prioritized and mitigate.

Strawman

And I have already point snout why that cherry picked statistic is meaningless

Actually it isn’t your subject. It’s your argument, which I have defeated

Because your cherry picked numbers are meaningless.

Because I don’t need to. I’ve refuted the point you were trying to make, by pointing out firearms are less dangerous than pool and cars. This is objective reality.

Is it just me, or do others realize that perhaps the most moronic of all the anti gun arguments (and that is a wide number of contenders) is claiming "guns are designed to kill and cars (pools, etc) are not"?

something not DESIGNED TO KILL but yet kills more than a device "Designed to kill" is far more dangerous because the latter requires intent and the former merely negligence.

 

[gboisjo]

Umm you told us what you were thinking..
" loving to touch them..loving to dream of taking down a bad guy".
That was you telling us what you thought.

I'm also telling you what a lot people think, honesty doesn't seem to be your strong card, is it.

 

[gboisjo]

Is it just me, or do others realize that perhaps the most moronic of all the anti gun arguments (and that is a wide number of contenders) is claiming "guns are designed to kill and cars (pools, etc) are not"?

something not DESIGNED TO KILL but yet kills more than a device "Designed to kill" is far more dangerous because the latter requires intent and the former merely negligence.

Weapons of war are designed for the purpose of killing other humans, simple common sense. The moronic statements come from people who compare guns to swimming pools.

 

[TurtleDude]

Weapons of war are designed for the purpose of killing other humans, simple common sense. The moronic statements come from people who compare guns to swimming pools.

not only is that stupid because most homicides are not committed with military issue firearms, but it completely ignores my point.

 

[TurtleDude]

I'm also telling you what a lot people think, honesty doesn't seem to be your strong card, is it.

I disagree with jaeger on many issues-his "conservative" position on tax issues is far different than mine but his posts on gun issues are almost always well reasoned.

 

[Rucker61]

I'm also telling you what a lot people think, honesty doesn't seem to be your strong card, is it.

How do you know what "a lot of people" think?

 

[jaeger19]

I'm also telling you what a lot people think, honesty doesn't seem to be your strong card, is it.

Well yes..you assumed that other people thought as you do. But you did state how YOU felt about guns and fantasizing about " taking down a bad guy"..
You remember when you said. "BS.. how do you know what someone else was thinking?"
Hmmmm?

 

[gboisjo]

not only is that stupid because most homicides are not committed with military issue firearms, but it completely ignores my point.

Oh, but wait, mass shootings are. The weapon of choice is the AR-15 and if your really into a blood bath get a bump stock for rapid fire.

I remember when I first fired my M-16 switched to automatic, what a thrill it was.

As much as I'm against many of our gun laws and don't own a gun, I love playing violent shoot em up video games.

There's zero honesty around here, just rationales coupled wit BS.

 

[gboisjo]

Well yes..you assumed that other people thought as you do. But you did state how YOU felt about guns and fantasizing about " taking down a bad guy"..
You remember when you said. "BS.. how do you know what someone else was thinking?"
Hmmmm?

Its common sense.

 

[gboisjo]

I disagree with jaeger on many issues-his "conservative" position on tax issues is far different than mine but his posts on gun issues are almost always well reasoned.

Sure, our collective ability of rationales and so called constitutional rights to keep our society awash in guns is noble and well reasoned.

Oh wait, just heard there was another mass shooting, this time its grade school kids. Its hard to believe, but that makes three mass shootings in two days.

Oh well, its just par for the coarse ..I wouldn't expect anything less.

 

[jaeger19]

Its common sense.

Umm what you describe is not common sense.
Sorry but you have projected your own feelings onto other people.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sure, our collective ability of rationales and so called constitutional rights to keep our society awash in guns is noble and well reasoned.

Oh wait, just heard there was another mass shooting, this time its grade school kids. Its hard to believe, but that makes three mass shootings in two days.

Oh well, its just par for the coarse ..I wouldn't expect anything less.

this comment is pretty much worthless babbling with no logical suggestions. It suggests that your dislike of gun ownership is political and that alleviating criminal misuse of firearms has not crossed your mind

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh, but wait, mass shootings are. The weapon of choice is the AR-15 and if your really into a blood bath get a bump stock for rapid fire.

I remember when I first fired my M-16 switched to automatic, what a thrill it was.

As much as I'm against many of our gun laws and don't own a gun, I love playing violent shoot em up video games.

There's zero honesty around here, just rationales coupled wit BS.

more abject stupidity in that post. The weapon of choice for mass shootings is not an AR 15> even though:-it is the most popular rifle in America and the bannerrhoids keep telling people that it is the best weapon for mass shootings. Despite those two facts, handguns are used in more mass shootings.

 

[CLAX1911]

It would just be less successful violence.

Maybe in an imaginary world where you have absolute control over all people all the time but that doesn't exist.

 

[CLAX1911]

Sure, our collective ability of rationales and so called constitutional rights to keep our society awash in guns is noble and well reasoned.

Oh wait, just heard there was another mass shooting, this time its grade school kids. Its hard to believe, but that makes three mass shootings in two days.

Oh well, its just par for the coarse ..I wouldn't expect anything less.

Mass shootings happen at schools and other places because of gun control. The shooters know there's nobody that's going to be armed there.

Do you know why people don't try to rip off fort Knox? They know they're going to get shot.

Maybe if people thought they were going to get shot even Mass shooters they wouldn't pick the target they pick.

One thing's for sure it isn't the gun doing the mass shooting. So it seems using dead children to try and regulate something that you don't think people should have is rather creepy. It seems like you're hoping people die so that you can point to them and say see that's why we need to take objects away from you.

Maybe this is why people want to keep school's defenseless so that shooters can go in there and shoot all the children they want.

 

[CLAX1911]

Its common sense.

People only tend to say this when it's not.

 

[rahl]

Oh, but wait, mass shootings are. The weapon of choice is the AR-15 and if your really into a blood bath get a bump stock for rapid fire.

I remember when I first fired my M-16 switched to automatic, what a thrill it was.

As much as I'm against many of our gun laws and don't own a gun, I love playing violent shoot em up video games.

There's zero honesty around here, just rationales coupled wit BS.

Lol, no. AR15’s are used in less than 1% of shootings.

 

[gboisjo]

Mass shootings happen at schools and other places because of gun control.

What a incredible warped sense of thinking, more guns are better.