[W: #218] Should The Allies Have Defended Poland?

[Tigerace117]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

 

[NewfieMom]

Both Great Britain and France had signed treaties with Poland agreeing that if Germany attacked Poland that each would come to its aid. Obviously they took those treaties seriously. Hitler's annexation of the Sudetenland after Anschluss was a bit much to accept for those powers as well. Germany's intentions were clear.

 

[Exquisitor]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

I wouldn't compare Taiwan to Poland.

Poland was a reaction for slaughtering up the Indian cattle, Taiwan is a step toward the subjugation of India.

 

[MamboDervish]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

The Allies didn't "defend Poland" anymore than they defended Czechoslovakia, or Hungary, or Belgium, or Lithuania.
What they did is they defeated Germany and Nazism.

Our economy was not completely interwoven with Germany as it is with China today, and our single biggest and most successful Ally was the USSR, which doesn't even exist today.

Do you have some fantasy about Russia being willing to "defend" Taiwan? Please feel free to share it.

 

[Tigerace117]

I wouldn't compare Taiwan to Poland.

Poland was a reaction for slaughtering up the Indian cattle, Taiwan is a step toward the subjugation of India.

What?

 

[Tigerace117]

The Allies didn't "defend Poland" anymore than they defended Czechoslovakia, or Hungary, or Belgium, or Lithuania.
What they did is they defeated Germany and Nazism.

Our economy was not completely interwoven with Germany as it is with China today, and our single biggest and most successful Ally was the USSR, which doesn't even exist today.

Do you have some fantasy about Russia being willing to "defend" Taiwan? Please feel free to share it.

Uh....they absolutely did. Defending Poland from Nazi aggression was literally the entire reason why the war started in the first place.

 

[MamboDervish]

Uh....they absolutely did. Defending Poland from Nazi aggression was literally the entire reason why the war started in the first place.

We weren't even IN the war in the first place !! We came to Britain's defense - not Poland's - and we did it late and reluctantly, and the only reason we acted was because the Axis Powers included Japan who invaded the US!

But don't sidestep the question. Do you or don't you believe that Russia will attack China if Taiwan is invaded? Hmm?

 

[Exquisitor]

What?

Napoleon, Kaiser, Hitler, spank, spank, spank.

Ike was Napoleon.

 

[Tigerace117]

We weren't even IN the war in the first place !! We came to Britain's defense - not Poland's - and we did it late and reluctantly, and the only reason we acted was because the Axis Powers included Japan who invaded the US!

But don't sidestep the question. Do you or don't you believe that Russia will attack China if Taiwan is invaded? Hmm?

I believe you will howl in rage if the US defends Taiwan, and your sputtering is meaningless. There’s a reason I said “The ALLIES” bud.

Oh, and the only place in the US Japan ever invaded was a couple of desolate Alaskan islands, so spare us the posturing.

Oh, and the US had absolutely NO obligation to defend Britain at all, actually, because we weren’t allied with them during the interwar period

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Appeasement - Wikipedia

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[Grand Mal]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

The Western Allies declared war on Germany when Germany invaded Poland.
Which is in no way similar to China continuing It's civil war.

 

[Tigerace117]

The Western Allies declared war on Germany when Germany invaded Poland.

Yes, in order to defend Poland. As I said.

 

[Court Jester]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

If Britain and France were unable to defend Poland other than with strong words, why in the hell would the US have been interested in a fools errand like that at that time?

Taiwan is a bit different, it is separated from mainland China by a sea, and being that we could pretty much sink the entire Chinese Navy inside of a week, I think a whole different ball of wax there.

I dare China to take Taiwan by force. Then we could just declare that we refuse to pay China back any money we owe them.

 

[Grand Mal]

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Yes, in order to defend Poland. As I said.

I edited the post you replied to as you were replying to it.
China-Taiwan is just their civil war continuing.
Hard to guess why the US, who sat safe while German bombs rained down on London and German warships sunk British civilian shipping, should suddenly feel all white-knight about a country they don't even recognize as a sovereign nation.

 

[Grand Mal]

If Britain and France were unable to defend Poland other than with strong words, why in the hell would the US have been interested in a fools errand like that at that time?

Taiwan is a bit different, it is separated from mainland China by a sea, and being that we could pretty much sink the entire Chinese Navy inside of a week, I think a whole different ball of wax there.

I dare China to take Taiwan by force. Then we could just declare that we refuse to pay China back any money we owe them.

What has happened since WW2 that tells you the USA could prevail in a shooting war with a real opponent?

 

[Tigerace117]

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I edited the post you replied to as you were replying to it.
China-Taiwan is just their civil war continuing.
Hard to guess why the US, who sat safe while German bombs rained down on London and German warships sunk British civilian shipping, should suddenly feel all white-knight about a country they don't even recognize as a sovereign nation.

Again, the US had absolutely no obligation to help the British whatsoever prior to 1941. The US and Britain were no longer allied, and the possibility of outright conflict with Britain due the British partnership with Japan was well on the minds of the US government.

The people of Taiwan have no interest in being under the thumb of the CPC. Allowing a democracy to be crushed by a genocidal dictatorship would be a disaster.

 

[Phys251]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

Germany didn't have nukes in the 1930s. China does now.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Reading the responses in the most recent threads about whether or not the US should help Taiwan if its attacked by China, a surprising number of people seem to think throwing Taiwan under the bus is no big deal, or that “it’s not our business”. The prospect of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan brings to mind the case of another aggressive, genocidal dictatorship which carved up its neighbors— Nazi Germany.

So.....should the Western Allies have defended Poland(as they did....eventually) or was it “none of our business”?

Lol we didn’t do a damn thing to defend Poland. We took their soldiers and sacrificed them with no problem then told Stalin he could have it despite having the atomic bomb.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Lol we didn’t do a damn thing to defend Poland. We took their soldiers and sacrificed them with no problem then told Stalin he could have it despite having the atomic bomb.

So what, we should have occupied Poland? I mean, I guess all the other cool countries were doing it.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Cut to the chase: China wants full control of the South China Sea. The US, among others, cannot let that happen.

 

[bomberfox]

I wouldn't compare Taiwan to Poland.

Poland was a reaction for slaughtering up the Indian cattle, Taiwan is a step toward the subjugation of India.

Huh?

 

[Tigerace117]

Germany didn't have nukes in the 1930s. China does now.

It’s still a case of a genocidal dictatorship trying to destroy a democracy. It’d be a disaster to the international order the US has spent so much time, money and blood trying to preserve.

 

[Phys251]

It’s still a case of a genocidal dictatorship trying to destroy a democracy. It’d be a disaster to the international order the US has spent so much time, money and blood trying to preserve.

Are you seriously suggesting we should go to war with China??

 

[bomberfox]

We weren't even IN the war in the first place !! We came to Britain's defense - not Poland's - and we did it late and reluctantly, and the only reason we acted was because the Axis Powers included Japan who invaded the US!

But don't sidestep the question. Do you or don't you believe that Russia will attack China if Taiwan is invaded? Hmm?

We were pretty heavily involved in supplying and sending volunteers before then.

 

[Tigerace117]

Lol we didn’t do a damn thing to defend Poland. We took their soldiers and sacrificed them with no problem then told Stalin he could have it despite having the atomic bomb.

We absolutely defended Poland by helping kick the genocidal thugs occupying it out of the country. Duh. Nobody was interested in fighting World War Three right after the last one had just ended