[W: #21] Disagreement between women on equal opt-out rights

[Bodi]

Thoughts?

 

[StillBallin75]

The opt out for men

1) pull out

2) get snipped.

3) NOT turning women's bodily autonomy and rights into some sort of manufactured male victimhood movement. It's the most incellious snowflake shit.

 

[StillBallin75]

Also if you're an incellious professional male victim you probably shouldn't be reproducing anyway. Your girl and kids will be better without you.

 

[soylentgreen]

The male is being told that he is responsible for his own actions and cannot opt out of being responsible. What a woman decides to do with her own body is her right to do so and does not effect in any way that the male is still responsible for his own actions in creating a pregnancy.

 

[samsam]

What does this even mean, if the dad opts out of fatherhood hes leaving the mother with a child. If the mom opts out and gets a abortion shes leaving the father with nothing to worry about. Also the "#alphamale" made me cringe so bad...

 

[Individual]

Once a child is born, the only Rights issue is that of the child leaving only a responsibility issue for the Father and the Mother.
Equality of the man and the woman in creating a child exists up to the moment of conception, after which the man has, by inaction, given up his Rights to the Woman and/or the Courts relative to their child should one be born.
A Woman could by Her own choice allow the man to opt out of providing support of his child, though I would support a law that should She need and receive any government aid for the child, that the government would have the Right and responsibility to track down the Father and hold him responsible for repayment of all aid provided the child as well as any costs of finding him.

 

[Lursa]

Thoughts?

Previously posted: This demonstrates clearly that Bodi's entire argument (post 573 linked for a summary) is pure hypocrisy because the father can be the father again anytime he chooses. An opt-out "law or agreement" wont prevent it.

The man can decide anytime after the birth to be involved in the kid's life, or if the kid contacts him, and he can just pick up anytime, anywhere he wants. Yeah, he'll have to start paying support but he still get's to be a dad IF he wants. HIS CHOICE. Not the mother's. She has no choice. It's not equal.​

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No court will stop that...because all agree that it's best for the kid to have the father involved in their lives. (I do too). Some states even let rapists apply for visitation, even custody, when they're released...they're certainly not going to stop non-criminals from being in their kids' lives.​

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The courts always allow contact, visitation, etc...parents fight to stop that all the time and lose...unless there's a history of abuse. Again, it's about what's best for the kid. No agreement will supersede the kid's best interests on this to cut one parent out.​

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Men will get out of all the responsibilities AND still get to be a father when they feel like it. Does that sound like "legal equality"?​

The father can "opt back in" anytime he chooses. Cue: "But that's not the argument!" Because @Bodi's argument is a societally dysfunctional, coercive, misogynistic falsehood.

 

[Lursa]

Once a child is born, the only Rights issue is that of the child leaving only a responsibility issue for the Father and the Mother.

@Bodi denies that the child has rights of its own, separate from the mother or father. Even tho he's been provided with multiple citations. In the US, the child has a statutory right to child support from both parents.

Equality of the man and the woman in creating a child exists up to the moment of conception, after which the man has, by inaction, given up his Rights to the Woman and/or the Courts relative to their child should one be born.
A Woman could by Her own choice allow the man to opt out of providing support of his child, though I would support a law that should She need and receive any government aid for the child, that the government would have the Right and responsibility to track down the Father and hold him responsible for repayment of all aid provided the child as well as any costs of finding him.

 

[Bodi]

Also if you're an incellious professional male victim you probably shouldn't be reproducing anyway. Your girl and kids will be better without you.

That is something that an insecure twirp posting gym pics might say about how they hoped to amount to something despite motherly scorn.



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[Bodi]

Oh @Phys251 and @Rexedgar silly boys afraid of talking honestly. LOL


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[Bodi]

What does this even mean, if the dad opts out of fatherhood hes leaving the mother with a child. If the mom opts out and gets a abortion shes leaving the father with nothing to worry about. Also the "#alphamale" made me cringe so bad...

What Alphamale?

 

[Bodi]

The opt out for men

NOT turning women's bodily autonomy and rights into some sort of manufactured male victimhood movement. It's the most incellious snowflake shit.

This thread is about women talking about it... not men. The fact that you focus on blaming men, to whatever, instead of addressing the argument kinda displays an intellectual inferiority. That sucks.

 

[Rexedgar]

Oh @Phys251 and @Rexedgar silly boys afraid of talking honestly. LOL


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Why do you hate women…………oh, never mind, I remember now…..

 

[BirdinHand]

This thread is about women talking about it... not men

Believe it or not, women do not share one hive mind and can hold different opinions on a topic - often informed by their own life experiences

I have been to two wedding lately for the kids of friends.

One - the step father has raised the girl since she was a toddler because the biological father was a deadbeat and disappeared. The other, a friend had children with a man that also had kids with other women. Another dead beat who rarely paid child support, rarely took visits, etc. But the child was surrounded by other people that loved them. Actually the half-sister - from a different mother, was a part of the wedding party - because the mothers were able to become friends and make sure the kids had relationships despite the dead beat dude.

Neither wedding included the biological fathers of the now grown children getting married. They weren’t even invited because they turned out to be no more than sperm donors and more a headache than anything in the lives of the kids, if they existed all.

They’re losers. And the reality is, some men are useless


I’ve always commended the men that step in and raise children that are not theirs. Just like I commend women who do the same.

For some reason, @Bodi keeps coming back wanting to talk about how men should get an opt out. As though this makes things “fair”.



I think we should focus on those good people that opt in when children are born of loser dead beats.

It’s pretty damn pathetic for men to know they’ve created a child and then abandon that child. But we already know that some men are pathetic. Thankfully, there are plenty of good men that step into many voids. And plenty of strong mothers that manage to raise kids without the help - financially or otherwise - of the deadbeats.

And we have plenty of dead beats, just look at the billions of dollars in unpaid child support sitting uncollected.

Dead beats are going to be dead beats. Whether or not the law necessarily allows them to.

Thankfully for the kids born - there are more good people than dead beats in this world.

High five to the single Moms that do it alone. And to the other men who step into roles and raise kids abandoned by their biological fathers.

Those are the real heroes.

 

[Rexedgar]

FireBelieve it or not, women do not share one hive mind and can hold different opinions on a topic - often informed by their own life experiences

I have been to two wedding lately for the kids of friends.

One - the step father has raised the girl since she was a toddler because the biological father was a deadbeat and disappeared. The other, a friend had children with a man that also had kids with other women. Another dead beat who rarely paid child support, rarely took visits, etc. But the child was surrounded by other people that loved them. Actually the half-sister - from a different mother, was a part of the wedding party - because the mothers were able to become friends and make sure the kids had relationships despite the dead beat dude.

Neither wedding included the biological fathers of the now grown children getting married. They weren’t even invited because they turned out to be no more than sperm donors and more a headache than anything in the lives of the kids, if they existed all.

They’re losers. And the reality is, some men are useless


I’ve always commended the men that step in and raise children that are not theirs. Just like I commend women who do the same.

For some reason, @Bodi keeps coming back wanting to talk about how men should get an opt out. As though this makes things “fair”.



I think we should focus on those good people that opt in when children are born of loser dead beats.

It’s pretty damn pathetic for men to know they’ve created a child and then abandon that child. But we already know that some men are pathetic. Thankfully, there are plenty of good men that step into many voids. And plenty of strong mothers that manage to raise kids without the help - financially or otherwise - of the deadbeats.

And we have plenty of dead beats, just look at the billions of dollars in unpaid child support sitting uncollected.

Dead beats are going to be dead beats. Whether or not the law necessarily allows them to.

Thankfully for the kids born - there are more good people than dead beats in this world.

High five to the single Moms that do it alone. And to the other men who step into roles and raise kids abandoned by their biological fathers.

Those are the real heroes.

 

[tharock220]

Thoughts?

The liberal male simps on here will oppose this in hopes of receiving praise from women.

I oppose this because no man should ever want to opt out of raising his own child.

 

[Lursa]

This thread is about women talking about it... not men. The fact that you focus on blaming men, to whatever, instead of addressing the argument kinda displays an intellectual inferiority. That sucks.

Shouldnt the actual reality of "opting out" be clear before debate? That's why I provided post 7...to better inform "debate" on it.

 

[Lursa]

Believe it or not, women do not share one hive mind and can hold different opinions on a topic - often informed by their own life experiences

I have been to two wedding lately for the kids of friends.

One - the step father has raised the girl since she was a toddler because the biological father was a deadbeat and disappeared. The other, a friend had children with a man that also had kids with other women. Another dead beat who rarely paid child support, rarely took visits, etc. But the child was surrounded by other people that loved them. Actually the half-sister - from a different mother, was a part of the wedding party - because the mothers were able to become friends and make sure the kids had relationships despite the dead beat dude.

Neither wedding included the biological fathers of the now grown children getting married. They weren’t even invited because they turned out to be no more than sperm donors and more a headache than anything in the lives of the kids, if they existed all.

They’re losers. And the reality is, some men are useless


I’ve always commended the men that step in and raise children that are not theirs. Just like I commend women who do the same.

For some reason, @Bodi keeps coming back wanting to talk about how men should get an opt out. As though this makes things “fair”.



I think we should focus on those good people that opt in when children are born of loser dead beats.

It’s pretty damn pathetic for men to know they’ve created a child and then abandon that child. But we already know that some men are pathetic. Thankfully, there are plenty of good men that step into many voids. And plenty of strong mothers that manage to raise kids without the help - financially or otherwise - of the deadbeats.

And we have plenty of dead beats, just look at the billions of dollars in unpaid child support sitting uncollected.

Dead beats are going to be dead beats. Whether or not the law necessarily allows them to.

Thankfully for the kids born - there are more good people than dead beats in this world.

High five to the single Moms that do it alone. And to the other men who step into roles and raise kids abandoned by their biological fathers.

Those are the real heroes.

It's about men no longer being entitled to sex without consequences. That was their reality for all of history/prehistory. Some are having a hard time adapting to modern times, and they resent it. They have complete control over becoming a father...they just dont want have to exercise that control. So they knowingly take the risk...and then blame women (mostly) for it.

Note: women have never been able to have sex without consequences and still cannot. When a woman gets pregnant, she has consequences one way or another. It seems that some men are just pissed they cant decide what consequences she deals with for her.

 

[Bodi]

Why do you hate women…………oh, never mind, I remember now…..

But nobody knows why you hate women... will you finally spill the beans?

The liberal male simps on here will oppose this in hopes of receiving praise from women.

I oppose this because no man should ever want to opt out of raising his own child.

It is a weird concept but just as there are women that don't want to raise their child, some men don't either.

Believe it or not, women do not share one hive mind and can hold different opinions on a topic - often informed by their own life experiences

I have been to two wedding lately for the kids of friends.

One - the step father has raised the girl since she was a toddler because the biological father was a deadbeat and disappeared. The other, a friend had children with a man that also had kids with other women. Another dead beat who rarely paid child support, rarely took visits, etc. But the child was surrounded by other people that loved them. Actually the half-sister - from a different mother, was a part of the wedding party - because the mothers were able to become friends and make sure the kids had relationships despite the dead beat dude.

Neither wedding included the biological fathers of the now grown children getting married. They weren’t even invited because they turned out to be no more than sperm donors and more a headache than anything in the lives of the kids, if they existed all.

They’re losers. And the reality is, some men are useless


I’ve always commended the men that step in and raise children that are not theirs. Just like I commend women who do the same.

For some reason, @Bodi keeps coming back wanting to talk about how men should get an opt out. As though this makes things “fair”.

This was about women talking about the issue.

I think we should focus on those good people that opt in when children are born of loser dead beats.

It’s pretty damn pathetic for men to know they’ve created a child and then abandon that child. But we already know that some men are pathetic. Thankfully, there are plenty of good men that step into many voids. And plenty of strong mothers that manage to raise kids without the help - financially or otherwise - of the deadbeats.

And we have plenty of dead beats, just look at the billions of dollars in unpaid child support sitting uncollected.

Dead beats are going to be dead beats. Whether or not the law necessarily allows them to.

Thankfully for the kids born - there are more good people than dead beats in this world.

High five to the single Moms that do it alone. And to the other men who step into roles and raise kids abandoned by their biological fathers.

Those are the real heroes.

Not sure why you can't just talk about it, instead you seem to take it personally. Bad relationships? Were you not wanted? Did a man bail on you? It is strange.

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[Lursa]

Previously posted: This demonstrates clearly that Bodi's entire argument (post 573 linked for a summary) is pure hypocrisy because the father can be the father again anytime he chooses. An opt-out "law or agreement" wont prevent it.

The man can decide anytime after the birth to be involved in the kid's life, or if the kid contacts him, and he can just pick up anytime, anywhere he wants. Yeah, he'll have to start paying support but he still get's to be a dad IF he wants. HIS CHOICE. Not the mother's. She has no choice. It's not equal.​

​

No court will stop that...because all agree that it's best for the kid to have the father involved in their lives. (I do too). Some states even let rapists apply for visitation, even custody, when they're released...they're certainly not going to stop non-criminals from being in their kids' lives.​

​

The courts always allow contact, visitation, etc...parents fight to stop that all the time and lose...unless there's a history of abuse. Again, it's about what's best for the kid. No agreement will supersede the kid's best interests on this to cut one parent out.​

​

Men will get out of all the responsibilities AND still get to be a father when they feel like it. Does that sound like "legal equality"?​

The father can "opt back in" anytime he chooses. Cue: "But that's not the argument!" Because @Bodi's argument is a societally dysfunctional, coercive, misogynistic falsehood.

Not sure why you can't just talk about it, instead you seem to take it personally. Bad relationships?

So, why "cant you talk about" my post?

 

[nota bene]

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