[W:208] Yikes. It has begun.

[RF667799]

Assault style weapons have become the gun of choice for mass murderers.

Is that because some people continually advise how perfect they are for that?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Kids aren't attacking dozens of other students in school with swords. They aren't driving cars through hallways, running down their enemies either. Nor are they blowing up the cafeteria with pipe bombs. But, I know what they are doing--they're shooting up schools, often with an AR 15.

We are not the only nation with firearms, but we are the absolute leader in mass shootings.

That would suggest that the problem is not caused by firearms.

 

[TurtleDude]

Well, this was dumb.

unless you tell us what you are referring to, that comment is pretty dumb

 

[Hamish Howl]

unless you tell us what you are referring to, that comment is pretty dumb

Biden wasting time on this was dumb.

 

[calamity]

We are not the only nation with firearms, but we are the absolute leader in mass shootings.

That would suggest that the problem is not caused by firearms.

No, the problem is idiots with access to guns. I thought we all understood that. So, since we can't just erase idiots, we need to curtail their access to guns...just like we took millions of drunks off the road.

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, the problem is idiots with access to guns. I thought we all understood that. So, since we can't just erase idiots, we need to curtail their access to guns...just like we took millions of drunks off the road.

Hmmm.

Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nope.

 

[Captain Adverse]

We are not the only nation with firearms, but we are the absolute leader in mass shootings.

That would suggest that the problem is not caused by firearms.

Are you absolutely sure about that, or would you like to "modify" that assertion?

According to the following study done in 2015:

By our count, the US makes up less than 1.1% of the mass public shooters, 1.49% of their murders, and 2.20% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, they are also much less deadly on average. Out of the 97 countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the United States ranks 64th in the per capita frequency of these attacks and 65th in the murder rate.

Not only have these attacks been much more common outside the US, the US’s share of these attacks have declined over time. There has been a much bigger increase over time in the number and severity of mass shootings in the rest of the world compared to the US.

New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (crimeresearch.org)

Of course the very FIRST complaint is:

"The chart of per capita deaths versus gun ownership merits a second version showing the US and first-world countries (eg, the OECD). Not to derogate the countries for which our President had a colorful description, but comparing the US to Afghanistan, Yemen and Columbia seems to take us out of our peer group." New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (crimeresearch.org)

Which is responded to:

" If you read the paper, you will see that the paper notes that major European countries such as Norway, Finland, France, Switzerland, and Russia all have at least 25 percent higher per capita murder rates from mass public shootings than the US. There are other smaller European countries with higher rates. It should be pretty obvious just going through the list provided in Table 1 of the paper. The graphs that look at subcontinent data should also be pretty obvious. For example, you can compare Northern or Western Europe to the US." New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (crimeresearch.org)

That is one study showing different, even in the case of people like you only wanting to compare "developed nations."

SOME like to think our hundreds of millions of guns in the possession of tens - hundreds of millions of citizens poses a major threat of "mass-shootings," and always assume we are the worst offender. However, mass shootings are actually quite rare, in the USA.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Are you absolutely sure about that, or would you like to "modify" that assertion?

According to the following study done in 2015:

New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (crimeresearch.org)

Of course the very FIRST complaint is:

"The chart of per capita deaths versus gun ownership merits a second version showing the US and first-world countries (eg, the OECD). Not to derogate the countries for which our President had a colorful description, but comparing the US to Afghanistan, Yemen and Columbia seems to take us out of our peer group." New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (crimeresearch.org)

Which is responded to:

" If you read the paper, you will see that the paper notes that major European countries such as Norway, Finland, France, Switzerland, and Russia all have at least 25 percent higher per capita murder rates from mass public shootings than the US. There are other smaller European countries with higher rates. It should be pretty obvious just going through the list provided in Table 1 of the paper. The graphs that look at subcontinent data should also be pretty obvious. For example, you can compare Northern or Western Europe to the US." New CPRC Research: Mass Public Shootings are much higher in the rest of the world and increasing much more quickly - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center (crimeresearch.org)

We like to think our hundreds of millions of guns in the possession of tens - hundreds of millions of citizens poses a major threat of "mass-shootings" and always assume we are the worst offender.

That is one study showing different, even in the case of people like you only want to compare "developed nations."

Okay, I was wrong. It's the guns.

 

[dairyair]

White House announcement:

This Administration will not wait for the next mass shooting to heed that call. We will take action to end our epidemic of gun violence and make our schools and communities safer. Today, I am calling on Congress to enact commonsense gun law reforms, including requiring background checks on all gun sales, banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, and eliminating immunity for gun manufacturers who knowingly put weapons of war on our streets. We owe it to all those we’ve lost and to all those left behind to grieve to make a change. The time to act is now.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...GIChw8TvUuBWclIyKcNLgkFDY2Qe1gQuNhMNfUpqiq0cw

Is Beto still on track to be the Gun Grabber Czar?

Don't be skeeered. You will keep you guns.

I know I will keep mine. I will be hunting for as long as I want to.

 

[zsu2357]

I hope Beto can supply some evidence of Assault weapons being sold to our general population and I don't even know what he means by gun manufacturers having "immunity".

What really gets me is the manufacturers selling "weapons of war" to people on the streets, I thought "weapons of war" were sold to the military by whatever manufacture got the contract.

 

[TurtleDude]

What really gets me is the manufacturers selling "weapons of war" to people on the streets, I thought "weapons of war" were sold to the military by whatever manufacture got the contract.

if a state, local or federal law enforcement agency issues a type of firearm to its employees, it is doing so for the self defense of those employees. How can the same government then call such weapons "weapons of war" when other civilians own them?

 

[Grand Mal]

It's because their DCP masters keep telling them guns kill people and they are too stupid to think for themselves.

You just can't get over how brilliant that simple-minded bumper-sticker aphorism is, can you.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" Did you pee just a little when you read it? Are you feeling strengthened, empowered, brandishing it?
Sorry dude, It's just a brainless meaningless sentence designed to sell bumper stickers to weak-minded simpletons at gun shows who don't have enough room on the credit card for that sexy-looking AR but do have a couple bucks in their pocket and room on the tailgate between God Bless Trump! and Don't Tread On Me. Weak-minded simpletons who think it's a valid argument.

 

[zsu2357]

Tell that to the children that were gunned down in school.

Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self? NO.
Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self, operating the trigger by it's self? NO.
Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self, operating the trigger by it's self, and reloading by it's self? NO.

Cloud Guy is right. Just an inanimate object. Now if smart guns become the only type...WE ARE IN DEEP SHIT.

 

[calamity]

Hmmm.

Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nope.

Ok, so it is the guns.

 

[calamity]

Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self? NO.

...the gun was easily available.

Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self, operating the trigger by it's self? NO.

...the gun was easily available with a trigger so easy, a child could pull it.

Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self, operating the trigger by it's self, and reloading by it's self? NO.

...the gun was easily available with a trigger so easy, a child could pull it, and clips holding a dozen or more shots cost less than football tickets.

 

[zsu2357]

You just can't get over how brilliant that simple-minded bumper-sticker aphorism is, can you.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" Did you pee just a little when you read it? Are you feeling strengthened, empowered, brandishing it?
Sorry dude, It's just a brainless meaningless sentence designed to sell bumper stickers to weak-minded simpletons at gun shows who don't have enough room on the credit card for that sexy-looking AR but do have a couple bucks in their pocket and room on the tailgate between God Bless Trump! and Don't Tread On Me. Weak-minded simpletons who think it's a valid argument.

There's always one of you. You forgot over compensating for something. Just saying.

 

[dave8383]

Well you are wrong.

What makes you think so?

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[Grand Mal]

There's always one of you. You forgot over compensating for something. Just saying.

What does overcompensating have to do with a stupid bumper-sticker aphorism? If you think I think gun owners are overcompensating- is that what you think I think?- you're barking up the wrong tree. I own guns, and I actually use them. Used to, I mean. I find I don't seem to be bothered to make time for hunting anymore so my son will inherit a nice little Marlin next time I get to the city but I'm hanging on to that rusty old single-shot .22.
But you're right about one thing, there is one of me. Only.

 

[zsu2357]

="calamity, post: 1073509922, member: 20620"]
...the gun was easily available.

It's not about availability.

...the gun was easily available with a trigger so easy, a child could pull it.

As are most semi-autos. At least you admit someone had to pull the trigger.

...the gun was easily available with a trigger so easy, a child could pull it, and clips holding a dozen or more shots cost less than football tickets.

Again it's not about availability. Yes it does take someone to pull it.

Cloud Guy has not yet been right, but he does present an abundance of pedantic arguments.

Well a lot more then you are. In fact are any of us right at all that don't see it your way?

 

[Moot]

Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self? NO.
Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self, operating the trigger by it's self? NO.
Was the firearm floating down the hallway all by it's self, operating the trigger by it's self, and reloading by it's self? NO.

Cloud Guy is right. Just an inanimate object. Now if smart guns become the only type...WE ARE IN DEEP SHIT.

When the gun goes bang....it's no longer an inanimate object because it's mechanisms move to spark the bullet that shoots out and flies through the air and punctures the skin and explodes inside the body. A gun is not an inanimate object. I sure hope you don't have kids.

 

[zsu2357]

What does overcompensating have to do with a stupid bumper-sticker aphorism? If you think I think gun owners are overcompensating- is that what you think I think?- you're barking up the wrong tree. I own guns, and I actually use them. Used to, I mean. I find I don't seem to be bothered to make time for hunting anymore so my son will inherit a nice little Marlin next time I get to the city but I'm hanging on to that rusty old single-shot .22.
But you're right about one thing, there is one of me. Only.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read between the lines. No more wascally wabbits Elmer?

 

[calamity]

It's not about availability.

Yes it is. Easy access to guns, lots of death. Simple math.

As are most semi-autos. At least you admit someone had to pull the trigger.

When a three-year-old can pull the trigger, it's too light.

Again it's not about availability. Yes it does take someone to pull it.

Yes it is, and unfortunately too many are pulling triggers while pointing the gun at someone.

 

[zsu2357]

When the gun goes bang....it's no longer an inanimate object because it's mechanisms move to spark the bullet that shoots out and flies through the air and punctures the skin and explodes inside the body. A gun is not an inanimate object. I sure hope you don't have kids.

Good grief. I was going too respond to that but found myself unable, so yeah, sure, gotcha .

 

[jaeger19]

How can Guns protect people if they don’t kill bad guys?

No, the problem is idiots with access to guns. I thought we all understood that. So, since we can't just erase idiots, we need to curtail their access to guns...just like we took millions of drunks off the road.

Hmmm. If we would have followed your logic ...we would have banned cars...as a way to get drunks off the road.

 

[jaeger19]

Yes it is. Easy access to guns, lots of death. Simple math.


When a three-year-old can pull the trigger, it's too light.


Yes it is, and unfortunately too many are pulling triggers while pointing the gun at someone.

Let's see..we had record gun sales in 2000s..i.e. easy access to guns
.violent crime went down
2. My firearms would be in accurate if the trigger pull was so heavy a three tear old couldn't pull it.
3. So let's focus on those trying to kill people rather than the tool used.