[W:2047] President-Elect Joe Biden Hits 80 Million Votes In Year Of Record Turnout

[Conservative]

Interesting. We bill about $250M each year and we have about 250 employees so it takes almost 5 of your employees to produce less revenue than we do. Our cost of goods is a lot lower too, our product is people...not fast food.

there is no comparison between what you do and actually running a business where you have to meet payroll and other expenses. Billing customers doesn't qualify you as any kind of manager, sounds a lot like a clerk as you manage NOTHING!

 

[ElChupacabra]

Sorry but personal choice doesn't only involve abortion and you have no idea what everyone else wants or needs.

I never mentioned abortion. Are you claiming people don't want or need healthcare?

Managing costs doesn't involve the federal gov't as it has never managed costs especially when it comes to issues they cannot control, personal responsibility issues. Currently the private sector is regulated by the state and local governments preventing people from going back to work to benefit from anything. You are way too naive to understand this issue

Naive? I've presented all sorts of information on why the current system is deficient, and how under a Medicare For All scenario it would still be cheaper than if we continue down the path we're on. Is it your contention that people want to continue shouldering more of the costs through employer based plans? For someone who was in the private sector, I'm surprised you defend this level of poor cost management.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Sometimes a team gets beat by 40 points and they go home and try to figure out how they can be better next time.

Donald Trump simply cries.

 

[ElChupacabra]

there is no comparison between what you do and actually running a business where you have to meet payroll and other expenses. Billing customers doesn't qualify you as any kind of manager, sounds a lot like a clerk as you manage NOTHING!

You reveal your ignorance of management. You should know there are a variety of management roles; not all which involve managing personnel. You could be a manager of process, where your core responsibilities are ensuring existing workflows are optimized for efficiency.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Sometimes a team gets beat by 40 points and they go home and try to figure out how they can be better next time.

Donald Trump simply cries.

Well, maybe now teams can claim that if their opponents win, it's clearly because the game was rigged. Then all of the major sports leagues would take weeks to determine the actual winner.

 

[Conservative]

I never mentioned abortion. Are you claiming people don't want or need healthcare?



Naive? I've presented all sorts of information on why the current system is deficient, and how under a Medicare For All scenario it would still be cheaper than if we continue down the path we're on. Is it your contention that people want to continue shouldering more of the costs through employer based plans? For someone who was in the private sector, I'm surprised you defend this level of poor cost management.

Your information lacks context and ignores reality, you buy WHO and other data without considering the actual credibility of reporting that data totally ignoring the hidden costs in healthcare such as I have posted regarding Canada. You like far too many want someone else to pay for your personality issues. Do you want them to control all parts of your life including what you can eat, drink, or places to go? It is my contention that civil liberties give people the freedom to make choices and the costs of the uninsured for example in TX have no impact on your and your state.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Well, maybe now teams can claim that if their opponents win, it's clearly because the game was rigged. Then all of the major sports leagues would take weeks to determine the actual winner.

Even better just claim you won every single game you lost. And tell everyone that the league's website and the sports websites all have your record wrong.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The New York Jets are undefeated this year and anyone that says otherwise is part of the deep state.

 

[Conservative]

You reveal your ignorance of management. You should know there are a variety of management roles; not all which involve managing personnel. You could be a manager of process, where your core responsibilities are ensuring existing workflows are optimized for efficiency.

I do know the role of various positions in the company but the true role of a manager in the private sector is to maximize the profits of the company and you do that by controlling expenses, maximizing sales, meeting payroll you may be a manager but not having the responsibilities that the company was in business for, maximizing sales and profitability. Controlling expenses is a manager responsibility HOWEVER it is just part of the process not the role of a front line manager. I am talking context here, of course there are managers of the finance unit, what is their role? How about the HR manager? The Environmental Control manager? All are cost related not revenue related and it is revenue that companies are in business to generate

Why are you so far into the weeds off thread topic? You and your liberal friends divert from the true reality that Biden is anti Private sector, an empty suit and he is backed by one of the most radical VP's in U.S. History, a heartbeat from the Presidency. How could any private sector or business owner support anyone like Biden?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Your information lacks context and ignores reality, you buy WHO and other data without considering the actual credibility of reporting that data totally ignoring the hidden costs in healthcare such as I have posted regarding Canada.

What context does it lack? You repeat this often but never explain further. I have not ignored costs at all, but even in the data on Canada, our current model still costs more money and doesn't insure everyone. You have not provided a cogent defense of paying more for a system which doesn't cover everyone, and the cost of the uncompensated medical services gets paid by the health insurance consumers.

You like far too many want someone else to pay for your personality issues. Do you want them to control all parts of your life including what you can eat, drink, or places to go? It is my contention that civil liberties give people the freedom to make choices and the costs of the uninsured for example in TX have no impact on your and your state.

Irrelevant rant.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I do know the role of various positions in the company but the true role of a manager in the private sector is to maximize the profits of the company and you do that by controlling expenses, maximizing sales, meeting payroll you may be a manager but not having the responsibilities that the company was in business for, maximizing sales and profitability. Controlling expenses is a manager responsibility HOWEVER it is just part of the process not the role of a front line manager. I am talking context here, of course there are managers of the finance unit, what is their role? How about the HR manager? The Environmental Control manager? All are cost related not revenue related and it is revenue that companies are in business to generate

So why would you make the claim that you did? Not every manager has to meet payroll. If you work at a large corporation, you can manage people and not have to be concerned about meeting payroll the way you would in a small business.

Why are you so far into the weeds off thread topic?

I'm in the weeds you continue to plant by making off topic comments.

You and your liberal friends divert from the true reality that Biden is anti Private sector, an empty suit and he is backed by one of the most radical VP's in U.S. History, a heartbeat from the Presidency.

Irrelevant rant.

How could any private sector or business owner support anyone like Biden?

You should ask that to all of the successful business people who voted for him.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Even better just claim you won every single game you lost. And tell everyone that the league's website and the sports websites all have your record wrong.

FAKE SCORES!

 

[Conservative]

What context does it lack? You repeat this often but never explain further. I have not ignored costs at all, but even in the data on Canada, our current model still costs more money and doesn't insure everyone. You have not provided a cogent defense of paying more for a system which doesn't cover everyone, and the cost of the uncompensated medical services gets paid by the health insurance consumers.



Irrelevant rant.

Irrelevant comments regarding healthcare as that isn't what this thread is about. Your claim of why you voted for Biden was based upon healthcare is a bogus claim and one in which Biden doesn't control nor anything that will truly benefit Americans. You have been bought and paid for by cheap rhetoric that tells you what you want to hear. In spite of trillions spent in the name of compassion millions of Americans have become dependent on the federal taxpayers or the 55% of income earners who actually pay federal income taxes. You are like far too many well off liberals with a passion to care for someone else that you don't know or have no understanding of their personal needs and expenses. Biden and liberalism appeals to people like you, well off individuals who believe they are doing the best for others since not much actually hurts you and your family personally. Being dependent makes people slaves and that is what Biden and Liberalism have done as you don't bite the hand that feeds you but you do become more dependent.

This country is being destroyed from within as incentive and personal responsibility are being destroyed. I have no idea how someone like you who claims to support the private sector or as a business owner who you can support massive gov't intervention into your own personal life

 

[CaughtInThe]

FAKE SCORES!

FAKE SPORTS REPORTERS!!!!

 

[Conservative]

So why would you make the claim that you did? Not every manager has to meet payroll. If you work at a large corporation, you can manage people and not have to be concerned about meeting payroll the way you would in a small business.



I'm in the weeds you continue to plant by making off topic comments.



Irrelevant rant.



You should ask that to all of the successful business people who voted for him.

Because I did, although my degree was in Human resources that was only part of my job as I was responsible for all aspects of the business and was manager over all functions of the business. I hired, fired, and trained employees or was responsible for it. I set prices, I managed expenses and held myself accountable for bottom line at the end of the year. I met gov't requirements and was accountable for the entire business not just part of it

 

[ElChupacabra]

Irrelevant comments regarding healthcare as that isn't what this thread is about. Your claim of why you voted for Biden was based upon healthcare is a bogus claim and one in which Biden doesn't control nor anything that will truly benefit Americans.

You are hardly the person to be complaining about thread relevance, given your penchant for derailing threads. So to briefly recap, we landed on a prolonged exchange about healthcare because you continually question why I voted for Biden. I explained my reasons, and one of them was healthcare, so here we are. Now you're stating my claim is "bogus" in an apparent display of your telepathic abilities. As for what Biden can do as it relates to healthcare, it's not a stretch to think that the VP during the administration which rolled out the ACA could have some ability to make the kind of changes he's advocated.

You have been bought and paid for by cheap rhetoric that tells you what you want to hear. In spite of trillions spent in the name of compassion millions of Americans have become dependent on the federal taxpayers or the 55% of income earners who actually pay federal income taxes.

Yet you support retaining a system which does the exact same thing. Uncompensated care is being funded in part by those who have health insurance; and in the most expensive way possible.

You are like far too many well off liberals with a passion to care for someone else that you don't know or have no understanding of their personal needs and expenses. Biden and liberalism appeals to people like you, well off individuals who believe they are doing the best for others since not much actually hurts you and your family personally. Being dependent makes people slaves and that is what Biden and Liberalism have done as you don't bite the hand that feeds you but you do become more dependent.

Irrelevant rant

This country is being destroyed from within as incentive and personal responsibility are being destroyed. I have no idea how someone like you who claims to support the private sector or as a business owner who you can support massive gov't intervention into your own personal life

Irrelevant rant

 

[Conservative]

You are hardly the person to be complaining about thread relevance, given your penchant for derailing threads. So to briefly recap, we landed on a prolonged exchange about healthcare because you continually questions why I voted for Biden. I explained my reasons, and one of them was healthcare, so here we are, Now you're stating my claim is "bogus" in an apparent display of your telepathic abilities. As for what Biden can do as it relates to healthcare, it's not a stretch to think that the VP during the administration which rolled out the ACA could have some ability to make the kind of changes he's advocated.



Yet you support retaining a system which does the exact same thing. Uncompensated care is being funded in part by those who have health insurance; and in the most expensive way possible.



Irrelevant rant

This country is being destroyed from within as incentive and personal responsibility are being destroyed. I have no idea how someone like you who claims to support the private sector or as a business owner who you can support massive gov't intervention into your own personal life

Irrelevant rant
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Hardly irrelevant as it relates the the person you voted for and describes liberals like you to a tee. as for being destroyed from within forgot to attach the link

Patrick Byrne: China Is Taking Us Out From Within

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[ElChupacabra]

Because I did, although my degree was in Human resources that was only part of my job as I was responsible for all aspects of the business and was manager over all functions of the business. I hired, fired, and trained employees or was responsible for it. I set prices, I managed expenses and held myself accountable for bottom line at the end of the year. I met gov't requirements and was accountable for the entire business not just part of it

That's great, but that's your particular experience. There are others whose corporate experience is more specialized, with a focus on management of a subset of the business. In large corporations it's better to have specialized managers because the scope of managing a wide array of responsibilities can compromise results. Depending on your corporate structure, as a manager you may not even have a hand in budget planning; a responsibility which could fall on the director/VP etc.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Hardly irrelevant as it relates the the person you voted for and describes liberals like you to a tee. as for being destroyed from within forgot to attach the link

Patrick Byrne: China Is Taking Us Out From Within

www.theepochtimes.com

It's irrelevant to the topic I was discussing, and your current response is as well. Now with this linked article, you're doubling down on the deep end of things:

]In 10 years, there’ll be prison camps with organs being harvested just as there are in western China

The rest of his comments are more treasure troves of conspiratorial claims.

 

[Conservative]

That's great, but that's your particular experience. There are others whose corporate experience is more specialized, with a focus on management of a subset of the business. In large corporations it's better to have specialized managers because the scope of managing a wide array of responsibilities can compromise results. Depending on your corporate structure, as a manager you may not even have a hand in budget planning; a responsibility which could fall on the director/VP etc.

What you show is YOUR lack of understanding of business and the difference between authority and responsibility. AS a business owner you were responsible for the entire business and you could have given authority to someone to help manage that business but the responsibility for the results remained with you.

You keep ignoring that reality and I see a great future for you as it is much easier placing blame than accepting responsibility which is what you did with Trump who didn't have the authority or the responsibility for Covid 19 results.

 

[Conservative]

It's irrelevant to the topic I was discussing, and your current response is as well. Now with this linked article, you're doubling down on the deep end of things:



The rest of his comments are more treasure troves of conspiratorial claims.

No, actually the article defines exactly the results this country is going to get for putting an empty suit in the WH as you bought the rhetoric and ignored the qualifications and past results of this 47 year career public servant who had no responsibility for results and told you what you wanted to hear passing off blame to someone else.

 

[jakiejakester]

Sorry but personal choice doesn't only involve abortion and you have no idea what everyone else wants or needs. Managing costs doesn't involve the federal gov't as it has never managed costs especially when it comes to issues they cannot control, personal responsibility issues. Currently the private sector is regulated by the state and local governments preventing people from going back to work to benefit from anything. You are way too naive to understand this issue

What is your solution to lower the cost of healthcare and to get almost everyone insured?

 

[jakiejakester]

there is no comparison between what you do and actually running a business where you have to meet payroll and other expenses. Billing customers doesn't qualify you as any kind of manager, sounds a lot like a clerk as you manage NOTHING!

How can one person be so misinformed or uninformed? I manage a team of recruiters. A clerk? I'm a VP of Recruiting. My team has 7 other recruiters who focus on full-time positions. You literally have no concept of how our business works and what "billing" means. Do you know? You worked for a fast food restaurant where most of your employees earned minimum wage. The average income of the recruiters on my team is well over $100K per year. They're educated, professional, mostly younger; late 20s to early 40s and they help people get new jobs, not fries. We have 12 offices, including one in London and one in Toronto. We work with a plethora of companies and brands that are global, local and nationwide.

What you fail to grasp are white collar jobs that require intellectual decisions based on many factors so that the candidates we present fit based on multiple criteria. You? The people you hired were high school students who make minimum wage. The #1 skill they need is to show up for work.

Telling me what you think I mean by "billing customers"? You never answered my question about DEI?

 

[jakiejakester]

I never mentioned abortion. Are you claiming people don't want or need healthcare?

Naive? I've presented all sorts of information on why the current system is deficient, and how under a Medicare For All scenario it would still be cheaper than if we continue down the path we're on. Is it your contention that people want to continue shouldering more of the costs through employer based plans? For someone who was in the private sector, I'm surprised you defend this level of poor cost management.

I think there are posters here who are so uninformed that they can't understand the complexities of business and especially healthcare. There are people who have a psychological problem with change, they can't handle it, they have insecurities that block them from doing anything other than what they've always done. When confronted with change they freak out and try to defend "the old ways" and I think the example of not being able to acknowledge that our healthcare system has fatal flaws and needs to be improved is above their capacity to deal with it and certainly to offer alternatives. With their psychological defects the concept of change freaks them out.

 

[jakiejakester]

You reveal your ignorance of management. You should know there are a variety of management roles; not all which involve managing personnel. You could be a manager of process, where your core responsibilities are ensuring existing workflows are optimized for efficiency.

Agreed! Keep in mind if one lacks the intellect to understand complexities then debating with them is like what my Mom you to say to me when I was a kid: "It's like talking to the wall."