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[W:197] White Riot

that perception will quickly change as a greater portion of the work force is no longer working and is instead sitting at home drawing mailbox money. evidence of that transformation exists today; the high percentage of people who now earn their living on a disability check. such government support was not considered a prospect during my grandfather's generation. a social security check for being aged was not contemplated by his father


UBI will become seen as a hand UP once substantial numbers are dependent upon it
and those "American values" you referenced as "earning your own way" ... well, that was the harsh reality. there was no other option other than to starve - or steal. earning your own way was the way of life for most Americans and the rest of the world. nothing unique or "American" about it
"nothing unique or "American" about it"
OK. Fair enough. I accept that as a well thought and prudent revision. Thank you.

As to whether "UBI will become seen as a hand UP once substantial numbers are dependent upon it" I would have some reservations on that. Should that 'hand up' result in a better opportunities and enablement to 'earning your on way' for those receiving it I'm all in favor. Should it become a permanent dependency class I'm very much against it. It goes back to 'everyone must make their own way through life as best they can'.

However, there should be none that are prevented from being able to do so, bettering their own situation. Goes back to the truism of 'teach someone to fish or constantly giving them fish', if you know what I mean. I am of the fervent belief that 'teaching to fish' is the better approach on a great many fronts. Such is the enablement and positive aspects of adding value 'to the community pot' as it were.
 
But I honestly don't think that these rioting "trumpies" are hard working white men. I believe this is a myth the Trumpies and for that matter the different white power movements are spreading about themselves. They took it to their hearts when the media, after Trump won in 2016 said it was the angry white workingclass men that had brought him to the win. But it falls on its own unreasonableness; that hard working men have the time and money to travel around the country and participating in different protests and events. They wouldn't even be able to get an hour free to participate in their own state. And if the event was in the evening they would be to tired and to aware that they need to be back at work the next morning at seven...
 
The Democrats should arrange a demonstation of their own, preferable on a Sunday at 10 a clock in al states at the same time. Escpecially for the working class white men. The core message should be: Don't use my name! ;) .

But then again even if they don't participate in the events/demonstrations half of them probobly did vote for Trump.. (But the other half still didn't...) Maybe the demonstrations should be only in red states?
 
But I honestly don't think that these rioting "trumpies" are hard working white men. I believe this is a myth the Trumpies and for that matter the different white power movements are spreading about themselves. They took it to their hearts when the media, after Trump won in 2016 said it was the angry white workingclass men that had brought him to the win. But it falls on its own unreasonableness; that hard working men have the time and money to travel around the country and participating in different protests and events. They wouldn't even be able to get an hour free to participate in their own state. And if the event was in the evening they would be to tired and to aware that they need to be back at work the next morning at seven...
yea, that traveling contingent is a small sliver of the tRump base. a base that is at least 37% of the voting public
 




There is significant resentment in the United States among non-college white males. Economic inequality is widening at an increasing rate. Many jobs are either disappearing or are being accomplished by robots. Women are in greater possession of their reproductive rights and are legally protected against spousal abuse. The sway of churches in urban settings is diminishing. But probably most significantl, is the inexorable march of racial diversity in the United States. By 2045 the United States will be predominantly populated by people of color. This prospect upsets many whites who fear losing their "white privilege" status. This is precisely what Donald Trump has been tapping into, vowing to maintain the 243 year old social divisions of the United States. So too do Trump Republicans work to recreate the America of George Wallace and Jim Crow voting laws.


Perhaps its more simply whites tend to be more conservative than minorities?

Play the race card if you must
 
Bernie's platform would do more for them than Trump ever could. Almost all of them could benefit from joining a strong union for example.


Almost all of them could benefit from joining a strong union for example
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Yes, then retire to a RED state and have both of best worlds(wink)
 
But I honestly don't think that these rioting "trumpies" are hard working white men. I believe this is a myth the Trumpies and for that matter the different white power movements are spreading about themselves. They took it to their hearts when the media, after Trump won in 2016 said it was the angry white workingclass men that had brought him to the win. But it falls on its own unreasonableness; that hard working men have the time and money to travel around the country and participating in different protests and events. They wouldn't even be able to get an hour free to participate in their own state. And if the event was in the evening they would be to tired and to aware that they need to be back at work the next morning at seven...
Most of them are on welfare of some sort.
 
At the end of the day it’s ALL economics. They may not express it coherently but is the other side actually listening?
History suggests otherwise. Millions of white people have been voting against their economic best interest for decades.
 
History suggests otherwise. Millions of white people have been voting against their economic best interest for decades.
That is what gets me about this whole thing. They have been voting against their economic interest since Reagan and now they are mad about what they did to themselves.
 
That is what gets me about this whole thing. They have been voting against their economic interest since Reagan and now they are mad about what they did to themselves.
Turning Working class whites against unions, subsidized healthcare and education... You gotta appreciate the sales job.
 
Me and my mate both make over 100K a year, so do all the people in my department, not one of them voted for Trump.

I am sure that Trump got lots of votes from white males with no education making well under 50K a year...
Can I get a few thousand from you both? The Government is dragging its feet in helping out us scumbags, making less than 50k, and it sure would be nice if you could give socialism a kickstart until they get their act together.
 
Can I get a few thousand from you both? The Government is dragging its feet in helping out us scumbags, making less than 50k, and it sure would be nice if you could give socialism a kickstart until they get their act together.
How about I give you some conservative style advice: Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work harder. :D
 
How about I give you some conservative style advice: Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work harder. :D
Are you switching parties in order to avoid doing your socialist duty? Typical democrat. Take other people’s money to help the poor so they can keep theirs.
 
Are you switching parties in order to avoid doing your socialist duty? Typical democrat. Take other people’s money to help the poor so they can keep theirs.
I don't belong to any party, so you can take your "typical democrat" nonsense somewhere else.

I don't take other people's money, you really are just lost.
 
Are you switching parties in order to avoid doing your socialist duty? Typical democrat. Take other people’s money to help the poor so they can keep theirs.

Democrats don’t pay taxes? Oh. Okay.
 
I don't belong to any party, so you can take your "typical democrat" nonsense somewhere else.

I don't take other people's money, you really are just lost.
Did you vote for Biden? You know a vote for Joe is a vote for socialism. Just ask Sanders.
 
You paying your fair share? Or are you a scumbag making less than 50k a year.

Republicans called unemployed Americans lazy this past summer when discussing the extra unemployment UI for people laid off due to the China virus. You voted for people that think unemployed Americans are scumbags.

Even your failed whataboutisms underline how disingenuous your argument is.
 
There is significant resentment in the United States among non-college white males. Economic inequality is widening at an increasing rate. Many jobs are either disappearing or are being accomplished by robots. Women are in greater possession of their reproductive rights and are legally protected against spousal abuse. The sway of churches in urban settings is diminishing. But probably most significantl, is the inexorable march of racial diversity in the United States. By 2045 the United States will be predominantly populated by people of color. This prospect upsets many whites who fear losing their "white privilege" status. This is precisely what Donald Trump has been tapping into, vowing to maintain the 243 year old social divisions of the United States. So too do Trump Republicans work to recreate the America of George Wallace and Jim Crow voting laws.
What is *interesting* to me in your 'sociological approach' is in the realization that you really have no sympathy nor genuine concern for those who have, through deliberate machinations, been dispossessed of what was in truth 'theirs'. It is highly interesting to me that the function therefore of these high-toned sociological expositions is really just to trace and explain the process of loss and, at the same time, to indicate who and what you yourself serve. You serve the dispossession of the dominant demographic of the US. You are thus part of the process of loss and harm that has been perpetrated in the American Postwar.

And you wonder why you are understood to be a traitor?! See, I suggest that that is what you are. And to the degree that you align yourself with a political and élite class that sponsors this dispossession process, to that exact degree you are really and truly an enemy. Your righteous tones ring false when closely examined.

The author (Thomas Edsall) of that opinion article asks the questions:

How toxic is the combination of pessimism and anger that stems from a deterioration in standing and authority? What might engender existential despair, this sense of irretrievable loss? How hard is it for any group, whether it is racial, political or ethnic, to come to terms with losing power and status? What encourages desperate behavior and a willingness to believe a pack of lies?
But the better question is: Is it morally and ethically defensible that a people in the process of being so dispossessed is seen and understood as having a right to act against it? This 'sociological distance', as if he is studying a foreign people, is deeply suspect to me. The process of dispossession is in itself an evil and a destructive enterprise. And it requires a profoundly compromised ethics to see that such is going on and not to oppose it.

He gets one answer by Bart Bonikowski:

Ethnonationalist Trump supporters want to return to a past when white men saw themselves as the core of America and minorities and women “knew their place.” Because doing so requires the upending of the social order, many are prepared to pursue extreme measures, including racial violence and insurrection. What makes their actions all the more dangerous is a self-righteous belief — reinforced by the president, the Republican Party, and right-wing conspiracy peddlers — that they are on the correct side of history as the true defenders of democracy, even as their actions undermine its core institutions and threaten its stability.
OK so what this means, I take it, is that it is morally wrong for those 'white men' (itself a deprecating term) to question or resent what had been done to them. The part about women who knew their place frames the former statement as a backward and retrograde sentiment that, what, must be overcome by proper ethical introspection?

Can you see how these *narratives* are designed to function? Their function is to undermine the legitimate possibility of opposing what has been slated for this entire class of 'white men'. It is really transparent.

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Did you vote for Biden? You know a vote for Joe is a vote for socialism. Just ask Sanders.
You sad that your cult leader lost?

Class envy is not a good look. Instead of obsessing on what other people earn, you should work on making money for yourself.
 
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