[W:1721] [W:2837] Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[soylentgreen]

I didn't say wealth. Just be able to meet the needs of your child



Is that so wrong?

Which by definition means wealthy.

Unless of course you include such things as universal health, housing and education for all the people.

 

[vegas giants]

Which by definition means wealthy.

Unless of course you include such things as universal health, housing and education for all the people.

It does?


Maybe in your world.....not in reality

 

[soylentgreen]

You keep saying wealthy


Are you talking to someone else?

No, I am pointing out to you that creating some imaginary point of wealth where people are allowed to then have children is a form of eugenics.

And for these americans it is especially a laughable solution to a problem. The land of the freest of the free but only if you have the money to afford it.

 

[vegas giants]

No, I am pointing out to you that creating some imaginary point of wealth where people are allowed to then have children is a form of eugenics.

And for these americans it is especially a laughable solution to a problem. The land of the freest of the free but only if you have the money to afford it.

I never said allowed. Any woman who wants to give birth can


You keep making things up

 

[BirdinHand]

It does?


Maybe in your world.....not in reality

In order for a single woman to raise a child with no support from the male that helped make the child and without government support (which most government programs mandate child support for the father to qualify) she would need to be an above average income earner. And have a tidy little nest egg for “just in case”.

So yes, you are advocating a certain level of wealth to be able to have a child.

 

[soylentgreen]

It does?


Maybe in your world.....not in reality

In your world people like you are arguing to have the poor steralised
Where as in reality people like me live in a country that does support those welfare systems.

 

[cpwill]

The argument of support is not related to the rights of the parent, but the Child. The Child has the right of support from both parents. The State has an interest in this as otherwise it has to support the Child.

Bingo. The needs of Children limit the freedom of Parents.

 

[vegas giants]

In order for a single woman to raise a child with no support from the male that helped make the child and without government support (which most government programs mandate child support for the father to qualify) sue would need to be an above average income earner.

So yes, you are advocating a certain level of wealth to be able to have a child.

I am absolutely recommending that


But if the woman wants to do it in poverty she can do that too

 

[vegas giants]

In your world people like you are arguing to have the poor steralised
Where as in reality people like me live in a country that does support those welfare systems.

They are?


In your world all men are killed


Come on dude. Lol

 

[BirdinHand]

I am absolutely recommending that


But if the woman wants to do it in poverty she can do that too

Society disagrees and demands that the biological father be held accountable for at minimal, providing some financial support.

 

[soylentgreen]

I never said allowed. Any woman who wants to give birth can


You keep making things up

This is called swapping horses mid stream. Either you can argue that any women should have the right to give birth or only those who can afford a child ( the wealthy) should be able to breed. But not turn around half way through and decide now that any woman can give birth, even the poor.

 

[soylentgreen]

They are?


In your world all men are killed


Come on dude. Lol

Curious?? How did you get to all men are killed from what I said?

 

[vegas giants]

This is called swapping horses mid stream. Either you can argue that any women should have the right to give birth or only those who can afford a child ( the wealthy) should be able to breed. But not turn around half way through and decide now that any woman can give birth, even the poor.

Every woman should have the right to give birth


When have I ever said otherwise?

 

[vegas giants]

Curious?? How did you get to all men are killed from what I said?

How did you get I want people sterilized? Lol

 

[vegas giants]

Society disagrees and demands that the biological father be held accountable for at minimal, providing some financial support.

Society is often wrong


History is full of examples

 

[soylentgreen]

Every woman should have the right to give birth


When have I ever said otherwise?

That point where you said people should not have children until they can afford them. Or do you think only men are capable of being poor.

 

[vegas giants]

That point where you said people should not have children until they can afford them. Or do you think only men are capable of being poor.

Well THEY SHOULDN'T.



THEY CAN IF THEY WANT.....BUT THEY SHOULDN'T

 

[soylentgreen]

Society is often wrong


History is full of examples

Unfortunately that argument also works if we point out that individual opinions are also often wrong

 

[vegas giants]

Unfortunately that argument also works if we point out that individual opinions are also often wrong

Of course they are

 

[soylentgreen]

Well THEY SHOULDN'T.



THEY CAN IF THEY WANT.....BUT THEY SHOULDN'T

So when should they considering that under a capitalist system there will always be poor people. We either create a welfare support system or simply steralise the poor. Or in your case do nothing and hope the poor are more sensible and caring about others that the average american.

 

[soylentgreen]

Of course they are

So not really much of a point you made then.

 

[vegas giants]

So when should they considering that under a capitalist system there will always be poor people. We either create a welfare support system or simply steralise the poor. Or in your case do nothing and hope the poor are more sensible and caring about others that the average american.

I support a welfare support system


Always have

 

[vegas giants]

So not really much of a point you made then.

Nor is hers

 

[trouble13]

That is the most laughable excuse yet for why men should not be held responsible for their own actions.

Go back to biology 101 class and try to stay awake for whole birds and bees lecture this time.

It illustrates the absurdity of the pro-abortion justification for killing babies. They aren't really babies until they are born, right? If that's true it also stands to reason that babies do not belong to men since the only contribution men make is some biological fluid.

 

[soylentgreen]

I support a welfare support system


Always have

Good for you. A far better idea that telling the poor what they should or should not do.