[W:1721] [W:2837] Post Conception Opt-Out FOR MEN

[vegas giants]

Can you say lame?

I accept your insult concession

 

[BirdinHand]

The child needs support.

Exactly. The child didn’t ask to be born and is the product of decisions both adults made. The child cannot provide for its own financial support.

The state holds the adults that made the child financially responsible. Although the state is very lenient in enforcing that obligation.

So men should be able to give women a morning after pill after having unprotected sex without their consent.

Pretty sure that having someone consume a controlled medical substance without their consent is a crime.

She chose to have a child that she could not support without help... why should a man have to pay for her choice to be selfish?

Because if he doesn’t, the burden shifts to society as a whole.

Which already provides financial support to countless children.

Last I checked, there’s a couple billion in outstanding child support and those who don’t pay it are walking around free people.

Seeing as abortion is the most important thing in the country at the moment, why can't the man also have to the option to get the mother's fetus aborted? Imagine, a biological female convinces me to have unprotected sex with her and gets pregnant. I should have the right to FORCE that woman to get an abortion.

So forcing women to undergo medical treatment against their desire.



Just for clarity, there is over $113BILLION in outstanding child support currently in the US alone.

Many parents are already opting NOT to pay for children they’ve created.

So, I’d say many have already availed themselves of this “post conception opt out”.

I’d venture to guess the vast majority of that number belongs to “fathers”. It is why the term “dead beat Dad” exists.

How much more of a “post conception opt out” would you like?

 

[jpevans]

Don't have sex

Lesbian sex doesn't result in pregnancy, ever. You're promoting incelism.

 

[vegas giants]

Exactly. The child didn’t ask to be born and is the product of decisions both adults made. The child cannot provide for its own financial support.

The state holds the adults that made the child financially responsible. Although the state is very lenient in enforcing that obligation.

Pretty sure that having someone consume a controlled medical substance without their consent is a crime.

Because if he doesn’t, the burden shifts to society as a whole.

Which already provides financial support to countless children.

Last I checked, there’s a couple billion in outstanding child support and those who don’t pay it are walking around free people.

So forcing women to undergo medical treatment against their desire.



Just for clarity, there is over $113BILLION in outstanding child support currently in the US alone.

Many parents are already opting NOT to pay for children they’ve created.

So, I’d say many have already availed themselves of this “post conception opt out”.

I’d venture to guess the vast majority of that number belongs to “fathers”. It is why the term “dead beat Dad” exists.

How much more of a “post conception opt out” would you like?

Then let the burden shift to society. That is fair

 

[BirdinHand]

Then let the burden shift to society. That is fair

Society already provides for countless children. And will continue to do so.

$113Billion in child support that has been court ordered isn’t paid.

And that’s only the child support that is ordered.

How many people haven’t even asked for child support? I’d guess that number is likely in the millions. The state doesn’t compel it.

 

[jpevans]

She chose to have a child that she could not support without help... why should a man have to pay for her choice to be selfish?

Why does it have to be someone who can't support without help. It's that both are parents, parenthood means responsibility for one's offspring.

 

[vegas giants]

Society already provides for countless children. And will continue to do so.

$113Billion in child support that has been court ordered isn’t paid.

And that’s only the child support that is ordered.

How many people haven’t even asked for child support? I’d guess that number is likely in the millions. The state doesn’t compel it.

Less women would have the child if they knew there was a male opt out


That is better for men, women and children

 

[jpevans]

We can not debate anything further until you actually address the Post Conception Inequality aspect of the argument.

There is nothing unequal about both parents being libel for support. There is nothing unequal about only woman being able to abort an unwanted (for whatever reason) pregnancy, as men can't become pregnant.

 

[jpevans]

what if he was raped?

He must have liked it. A limp gun don't shoot.

 

[year2late]

The agreement should be made before sex is had.

Since there will be no true equality in a pregnancy situation (since biology gives the woman different post coital consequences) I think this is fair. With one exception.....as a taxpayer, I would like both mother and father to support the child as much as possible BEFORE accessing the public welfare system.

Better yet, if both participants use protection .....chance of conception is negligible. A person in a non-committed relationship should only trust their own contraceptive choices.

 

[trouble13]

I'm not sure what your point is. You seem to be saying men have a right to not accept responsibility for their actions. Women are accepting responsibility. Thought personal responsibility was a thing.

Being able to avoid responsibility for one's actions doesn't appear to be a legal theory if the actions affect the lives of others...

I'm ok with holding both men and women responsible for the lives they create. That's why I support a total ban on all abortions.

 

[vegas giants]

He must have liked it. A limp gun don't shoot.

Holy cow!!!!!!!!

 

[trouble13]

Your not using the socalled Pro-Life (Forced Birth) argument to argue for a swinging dick abandoning a born child, with no repercussions, are you?

Abandoning a child, no.
Abandoning a blob of cells before it becomes a child, yes

 

[notquiteright]

Then her taking birth control is also responsibility. But birth control can fail. She then gets a opt out.....so should he. And yes get it in writiing.

Ummm this isn't about her, it's about him. If she doesn't want children and takes birth control that's on her. If HE doesn't want children, then it's on HIM to take the necessary precautions. I don't understand why an adult should not be held responsible for their actions.

Sounds like some want to be deadbeat dads or good time Charlies with no consequences. Given the possible diseases out there, casual sex isn't all that casual. Seems the main scenario here is a couple where after a split the guy wants to claim I didn't want that kid, I don't want to keep paying for him/her.

 

[trouble13]

Killing it is OK if you can't afford it...but only for women

That use to be true but with these new laws being passed, not so much.

 

[notquiteright]

I'm ok with holding both men and women responsible for the lives they create. That's why I support a total ban on all abortions.

To include rape, incest and other non-consensual sex???

If the child is severely deformed or the mother's health is greatly threatened???

 

[vegas giants]

Ummm this isn't about her, it's about him. If she doesn't want children and takes birth control that's on her. If HE doesn't want children, then it's on HIM to take the necessary precautions. I don't understand why an adult should not be held responsible for their actions.

Sounds like some want to be deadbeat dads or good time Charlies with no consequences. Given the possible diseases out there, casual sex isn't all that casual. Seems the main scenario here is a couple where after a split the guy wants to claim I didn't want that kid, I don't want to keep paying for him/her.

But if both take birth control she gets a EXTRA opt out post conception

Seems like you hate men

 

[BirdinHand]

Less women would have the child if they knew there was a male opt out


That is better for men, women and children

Plenty of child support already goes unpaid.

So, women make their decision to carry a pregnancy to term, have the child and raise it without the financial support of the father daily.

 

[jpevans]

Killing it is OK if you can't afford it...but only for women

You guys. You keep trying to make it an economic decision, sometimes it just that the male was a vile disgusting pig, whose child she couldn't abide bringing into the world or something else.

 

[vegas giants]

Plenty of child support already goes unpaid.

So, women make their decision to carry a pregnancy to term, have the child and raise it without the financial support of the father daily.

I know. If women KNEW they would never be getting g child support many would not have the child. But some think they will

 

[vegas giants]

You guys. You keep trying to make it an economic decision, sometimes it just that the male was a vile disgusting pig, whose child she couldn't abide bringing into the world or something else.

Man you really hate men

 

[jpevans]

I accept your insult concession

Seriously,

Sex without consent is rape.

& you said,
Parenthood without consent is theft.
You can't see how lame of an argument that is? Seriously...

 

[vegas giants]

Seriously,

& you said,
Parenthood without consent is theft.
You can't see how lame of an argument that is? Seriously...

Thanks for your insult concessions

 

[trouble13]

Lesbian sex doesn't result in pregnancy, ever. You're promoting incelism.

Women who do not want children should control their libido until they reach menopause. After that they can be as slutty as they please.

 

[trouble13]

Part of the problem is that way too many unwanted children are born.

Too many women are engaging in risque' behavior.