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[W:1607] ***2022 General Election Thread***

I absolutely agree. Parties, many voters and most pundits talk in simplistic terms. But that doesn't make what they are talking about simple, just their understanding of it. So why perpetuate this situation with an even grosser simplification like "not a single honest one among them." It does a disservice to understanding and fixing the problem by locating all the fault with individuals. Sure, there are plenty of elected officials with one or more faults of being lazy or self-serving or corrupt or venal or blindly partisan or just plain stupid. But there are others - diligent, competent, well-meaning - who are doing the best they can in shitty circumstances.
 

I did not know Colorado has Goergia-style runoff elections. All the news I am hearing is there will likely be a recount, not a runoff.
 
Perhaps it will take the leaders of both major parties to fix this. As long as they condone and usually lead in the verbal negative personal attacks or attacking the other party in simplistic terms as the most evil, it’s easy to believe especially if that is what you want to hear.
 

I am a huge believer in the theory that if all you do is attack your opponent, you have nothing good to say about yourself, especially on the same topics. When asked what their specific plans are to tackle certain issues, candidates spend the whole minute talking about what they want viewers to believe is wrong with their opponents instead of answer the questions.
 
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After 20 years of Rush Limbaugh style AM radio, a heavy portion of the Republican base only wants to hear their politicians get nasty with Dems... it's what made Trump so popular. He wasn't afraid to talk shit, lie, get petty, etc.... Now it's par for the GQP course. Many Dem leaning independents are sick of turning the other cheek, and desire politicians that will fight back.
 
Unfortunately, you're right. Trump is/was popular in part because he was perceived as not taking any shite from the opposition. Tough talk, brave talk - even if it is completely lies and bullshit - was admired.
Kushinator said:
Many Dem leaning independents are sick of turning the other cheek, and desire politicians that will fight back.
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I get it. It's a tragic polarization of politics and loss of civility.
 
And both sides are reluctant to make a unilateral move to be better.
 
This.
 
It’s not “super majorities” in the Michigan house and senate. It is slight majorities.

And if they go crazy, they’ll be out of their butts in two years because the maps are non-partisan to give neither party a strategic political advantage.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
The vote totals shown above that map have Adam Frisch and Laurin Boebart almost 800 votes apart. We know some outstanding votes are for Boebart, so for now let's say Frisch needs at least 1,000 more votes.
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I don't know. I calculated this all from this map this morning. Based on what USAToday reported as not counted, there were 4200 votes not yet counted for Boebert and 5700 not yet counted for Frisch. The first big batch of votes came in from Boebert friendly Otero county, which made sense. After that, Boebert has added votes but the uncounted vote count was moving. Pitkin County, which was hyper rich in Frisch votes went from 80% counted to 93% counted, but the vote totals did not change. It seems that the USAToday database is not accurate about what is still outstanding as by my calculations of this morning, there was not enough open vote to give Boebert this kind of lead.

Colorado U.S. House - District 3 Election Results | USA TODAY

See election results, a county-by-county map and more for the Colorado U.S. House election on Nov. 8, 2022.
www.usatoday.com

Frankly, what is left in open votes from Pitkin, Garfield and Pueblo, which all heavily favor Frisch, at this point seems insufficient to close the 1,200 vote deficit.

PoliSciXtina said:
okay, you're giving me hope!
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As per above..... the Boebert vote count (the nominator) has improved yet the uncounted vote (denominator) really didn't change. I thought I was working from good info, now I have my doubts.
 
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Don't worry, they will be replacing 'crazy' with adults. Michigan made an intelligent move here.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
What is the bar to force a recount in Colorado?
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Recount laws in Colorado

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
ballotpedia.org

From cite:
  • Does state law require automatic recounts?
    • Yes, when a margin of victory in an election is less than or equal to 0.5% of the winner's vote.
 
upsideguy said:
Don't worry, they will be replacing 'crazy' with adults. Michigan made an intelligent move here.
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I know. I campaigned for many of them, but the point is that we do not have one party rule any longer in Michigan. The game is no longer rigged by anyone.
 

I've seen nothing seeing CO does run-offs. I am seeing they do recounts.
 
538 says dems are likely to win AZ and NV senate, so GA doesn't matter. But it would be nice to win that too.

How Election Week 2022 Went Down

Live results and coverage of the 2022 Midterm elections, including the latest updates on the race for control of the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives, as well analysis on races for governor, secretary of state, attorney general and state legislature.
fivethirtyeight.com
 
Exactly. You learn nothing.
 
Chomsky said:
And, neither do I know!

But, I'd bet my bottom dollar they're there if it remains this tight!
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After I answered, I think I heard 1/2 of 1%, but don't quote me on that.
 
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