[W:1539] NY Grand Jury votes to indict Donad Trump

[Chomsky]

Have you given a listen to the GOP?

Meaning?

I do checkout Fox, Newsmaxx, & OANN, as a sort of recon and to try to gain understanding.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I do also believe DeSantis has some mental issues.

These days......anyone actively involved with the Republican Party must have serious emotional issues.

 

[Donatello]

A lot of Republican politicians dont like him, but wont say so publicly (Examples: McCain, McConnell, DeSantis.....etc).
Problem is Trump is very popular with half of America, so they cant do or say much

Saying Trump's "popular with half of America" is a joke. I would argue that those gentlemen are spineless, probably bought. And any decent American would want them out too.

Get away with what? What do you expect to accomplish for the country with this prosecution that will outweigh the consequences of political breakdown?

If prosecuting a criminal politician creates a "political breakdown", I say we can survive it just fine. Failing to prosecute a criminal politician and ignoring the law would cause a way worse breakdown. You do believe in equal treatment under the law don't you?

 

[Chomsky]

I can only hope if things get legally hotter for Trump, his followers will see their votes are not going to push him over the top as in 2016. I want to see the indictments for mishandling classified documents and political interference in Georgia carry a lot more weight than a tawdry misdemeanor involve hush money paid to a porn star.

I saw the documents case as more egregious, and still do.

But even if not necessarily direct equivalences, I believe the surfacing of Biden's & Pence's documents has blunted the possibility of charging Trump in a substantive fashion.

 

[Chomsky]

If you think that's the "Rule of Law" you deserve to live in the banana Republic the US has become. Glad I won't live to see it.

We appear to have widely divergent perceptions.

 

[anatta]

But arrests plummeted. The graph line nosedived from '13 to '19. That was a bad thing when you thought you could put it on Bragg.\

Vance (look at the graph) reduced about 35% of the charges, Bragg about 50+
as to the arrests both Vance and Bragg are "progressive" and i can only assume the reduction in arrests is because of police moral, 'or the fact prosecutors reduce/dont file so many charges..and this is just Manhatten,, not NYC as a whole

Manhattan crime rates are up through Nov. 20, 2022 over the same period last year (2021) by 38% in Manhattan South and 17% in Manhattan North

Based on arrests? Why is declining arrests a bad thing when you thought Bragg was responsible for cops not arresting people and climbing arrests since Bragg took office also a bad thing?

Major Crimes Rose 22 Percent in New York City, Even as Shootings Fell (Published 2023)

Homicides fell last year to their lowest level since 2019, before the pandemic, but other categories of crime, including robbery and burglary, drove the overall increase compared with 2021.

www.nytimes.com

Still, the mayor said the city must drive down robberies, burglaries and grand larcenies — categories that contributed to the increase in what it defines as major crimes last year, to 126,537 from 103,388 in 2021. The mayor said retail theft and subway safety are among his top concerns.
The declines in murders and shootings last year appeared to be in line with similar drops in other U.S. cities, which, like New York, experienced a surge in such crimes in 2020 and 2021 amid the worst of the pandemic, criminal justice experts said. These experts cautioned against reading too much into data for a single year.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I do also believe DeSantis has some mental issues.

But ego is not a disqualifying factor.

WW

 

[Donatello]

You obviously didnt watch the videos.

The girl is clearly uncomfortable with Biden pinching her

That post deserves the no-class puke post of the day award. Have you ever had to explain to a child what a porn star is?

 

[Chomsky]

I would not sweat too much over this.... in a few months this will be that "other trial"... the really serious stuff is coming.


No, banana republics do not enforce their laws, particularly within the political class.

If the fact that Trump has been charged with a crime offends you, I suggest you get use to it.

He was in and around numerous crimes, during his presidency and in his private life. Playing by the rules is not one of his talents. He eventually was going to face the music and be held accountable for his abhorrent behavior. That day would someday come. It looks like it is here.

This is the first of many charges to come down the pike. This particular case will be an 'oh yeah, he has a trial New York, too" in a few months. It will be an afterthought to you, so don't get too worked up over this now.

The Republicans should have run a better candidate in 2016. A candidate that could stay inside of the law.

That one of our Presidents was charged & must go through the same judicial procedure as every other citizen, speaks to directly to our not being a banana republic!

 

[Rexedgar]

Meaning?

I do checkout Fox, Newsmaxx, & OANN, as a sort of recon and to try to gain understanding.

Too many to list; when Ivanka is the voice of moderation…….

Ivanka Trump ‘pained’ over father’s indictment

Ivanka Trump on Friday said she is “pained” by the indictment of her father, former President Trump. “I love my father, and I love my country. Today, I am pained for both,” …

thehill.com

I posted this in another thread, hope they don’t think I am trying to spam……..

 

[Chomsky]

For years, I've been yearning to watch Donald speak to a court reporter, rather than to a Fox audience.

It'll be disastrous for him.

And he will additionally be under criminal judicial procedure, not civil procedure. The judge's directives and contempt remedies will be far more staunch & severe. There will be no more baseball bats to the head, I assure you. At least none that are not addressed.

 

[upsideguy]

My dad died in dementia. "Alzheimer's" had been mentioned for years and he had no idea who I was at the end.


I know the signs and see my doc at least twice a year.

Biden is careful. I am careful. At our age we walk OK, but swagger we don't and we often loose our footing, especially, around uneven ground. My doc assures me this is all age, and he will be the first to tell me when dementia is a concern.

Biden's wit! That's a sign that maybe things have slowed, but the motor still has horsepower. Wit requires and agile, quick response brain. He can still be a brilliant orator as he has shown

Frankly, Reagan was much more down that road than Biden will likely ever be. I believe his illness and it's possible threat to the nation was kept secret deliberately because they had no ay to deal with it.

I owned a home care company for about 10 years, which is why I became a dementia trainer. I certainly spent a lot of time with people afflicted with it at various stages.

Having had the training in it, it made that experience quite enriching. Dementia is a symptom of some 50 different diseases or afflictions (like stroke or being an alcoholic). Dementia is not a function of age. It is ageist to think that dementia comes with age, though those with a proclivity to dementia will generally see it come later in life. Interesting, however, that they are discovering onset of Alzheimer's in younger and younger people (even in their 30s and 40s)

Too many people, including senior care professionals, want to bring those with dementia into reality, which is actually the wrong way to go. You simply can not do that (kind of trying to convince someone that gets their news from ZeroHedge that Trump lost... you just tick them off.) Someone afflcted with dementia may not remember your name, they will always remember how you make them feel. If you argue with them, you are not going to leave them feeling positively about them, and that is one thing they will remember the next time they see you.

As I am from Colorado, I would use the whitewater analogy..... when you interact with someone with moderate to advanced dementia, they are white water, but you have a paddle. If you know how to use your paddle, you can master the river and get where you want. You just can't paddle upstream or just cross the river, so you go with the flow, but steer your boat. Dementia typically affects short-term memory with long-term memories often quite lucid, particularly if you use a little music. I learned to really enjoy being around people with dementia. Many had some great stories that they loved sharing for those with the patience to listen, which of course played into the concept of they remember how you make them feel.

My training came into great personal use when my mom became afflicted. In spite of the training, it still was very hard, because it was my mom (like your dad). I am in my 60s' but two of my best friends are in their 70's. Each is on the regression train with early stage dementia. Again, my training has been helpful here. Anyway, I am sorry that you experienced this with dad. It is a very hard thing to experience with a loved one. It is often called 'the long goodbye.' I am sure you can relate to that phrase.

I have not seen any outward signs of Biden dementia. What he has accomplished in 2+ years in the White House, particularly with NATO and Ukraine tells me his mind is quite sharp. That doesn't mean there isn't any cognitive slowing. He could be an early stage of dementia, we don't know, but he is highly functioning, so its moot. Only 22% of people 85 and older have dementia, with instances of dementia much lower in college graduates and whites. Hence is chances of actually having dementia are quite low. What people are seeing is his natural speech impediment that is likely exaggerated by cognitive slowing (and Fox), which is not dementia. Biden's mental health remains superior to that the TFG, who has quite a set of impairment from other causes.

 

[Donatello]

Too many to list; when Ivanka is the voice of moderation…….

Ivanka Trump ‘pained’ over father’s indictment

Ivanka Trump on Friday said she is “pained” by the indictment of her father, former President Trump. “I love my father, and I love my country. Today, I am pained for both,” …

thehill.com

I posted this i another thread, hope they don’t think I am trying to spam……..

Excellent.

 

[EnigmaO01]

pretty sure the ins and outs of Trumps business are a lot more complicated than yours was. a billionaire owner may not know every dollar and where it goes... that's why they hire tax and financial professionals.

getting around paying taxes is as an accomplishment.. it all depends on whether the loopholes are legal or not.

Now I personally do not like that there are loopholes, but if there are, more power to whoever legally uses them. You not knowing that shows taht your business almost certainly did not qualify as a large company with multiple holdings. sorry but its not the same, at all.

your ilk have a lot more to worry about.. if this is not a serious charge, or he gets acquitted, once again, this looks like a setup by corrupt power. If he is convicted but its a BS nothing charge that they give him a stiff sentence on... it looks real bad.

It is beyond me as to why this is the first indictment they run with, because if it fails it will put a shadow on EVERY OTHER possible one. honestly, it is probably a last ditch political effort by that DA to gain street cred on his attempt to become governor or whatever.

You have no idea how complicated my business is. I have to deal with several state agencies due to interstate sales and two federal agencies.

Otherwise what a steaming pants load your post is.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Will the authorities put him in handcuffs for his Tuesday appointment and take one of these nice prison mugshots ?

I would assume there will be a mugshot but I don't see the handcuffs as a necessity. Besides if he is handcuffed the right will make it a big deal on how terribly he is treated.

 

[upsideguy]

That one of our Presidents was charged & must go through the same judicial procedure as every other citizen, speaks to directly to our not being a banana republic!

Well put!!!! Simple, concise, correct.

 

[Chomsky]

You only reinforce my admiration for the Founding Fathers who gave us the Electoral College.
Wisdom from the past.

I get that. I can respect that, too a point.

But we must be cognizant rural thought & lifestyle is only 17% of the country. It's fine to protect that locally within the bounds of federalism & the Constitution. But it's not fine to try to impress minority values & convention upon the rest of the country. That's what causes friction under national Republican Party rule and Presidents like Trump. (though I'd argue Trump is a class of his own).

 

[devildavid]

Do your own research.

I will not look for for a poll that you merely claim exists without linking to the poll. I call your bluff.

 

[upsideguy]

Will the authorities put him in handcuffs for his Tuesday appointment and take one of these nice prison mugshots ?

This gets negotiated. It appears their will be no handcuffs (although at one point Trump wanted to be handcuffed with his hands behind his back - to play martyr, though his ego would never cash that check), mug shot and no time in a holding cell. He will be fingerprinted (and, I assume swabbed).

 

[EnigmaO01]

apparently he only prosecutes those who are politically advantageous for him to do so... a dangerous precedent.

Riiiiiight.

 

[Rexedgar]

That one of our Presidents was charged & must go through the same judicial procedure as every other citizen, speaks to directly to our not being a banana republic!

Add to that that we have now joined the remainder of the free world that doesn’t answer to a dictator or a monarch.

 

[EnigmaO01]

But ego is not a disqualifying factor.

WW

I said mental issues not ego. Mental issues means just what I said: He's not dealing with a full deck.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I said mental issues not ego. Mental issues means just what I said: He's not dealing with a full deck.

It was a joke.

WW

 

[Chomsky]

He explains that in post 2080.

Geezus Cardinal, I only have ten fingers & ten toes!

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Actually I addressed that post, pointing-out poverty, drug addiction, and deaths are more prevalent in rural areas, as well as the large corporations he vaunts being located in cities.

 

[devildavid]

You're right about one thing; I have no faith in the criminal justice system in NY, I have seen entirely too many videos of New Yorkers beating up and killing senior citizens, women, and stealing whatever they.can get their hands on while Bragg.persecutes Republicans.

You have watched no such videos at all, let alone too many. You know nothing about the level of crime in the state of NY.