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[W:#1434]Minnesota Senate passes abortion bill opponents call 'most extreme' in nation

Lykaios said:
I don’t think anyone loves abortion. It isn’t an easy choice, it is more often the best of a bad set of choices for that particular person at that point in time.
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I care about the other person involved. The one we will never get to know.
 
GOP Hippo said:
I care about the other person involved. The one we will never get to know.
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You're not going to get to know the woman either, they're strangers...why do you care about meeting her unborn but not her? See how dumb and disingenuous that post is? It's not even a person.
 
GOP Hippo said:
I care about the other person involved. The one we will never get to know.
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And abortion may be best for everyone concerned especially " the one you will never know". What you should know is that 75% of the women who get abortions are living near, at or below the poverty line and life is a struggle. The mother may be the bread winner, the father may have a low wage job with no health insurance, the grand parents may have to raise the child and in the process cause their health and resources to deteriorate, there may already be children. For all of these people caring only about the fetus and adding another child to an already impoverished family is a ticket into family instability, insecurity of home and food, deeper poverty and zero resources. Children raised in situations like this have almost no hope of getting out of poverty. They stay in poverty. Read the statistics on poverty and then tell the parents that you care about the child you insist they birth and raise.
 
weaver2 said:
And abortion may be best for everyone concerned especially " the one you will never know". What you should know is that 75% of the women who get abortions are living near, at or below the poverty line and life is a struggle. The mother may be the bread winner, the father may have a low wage job with no health insurance, the grand parents may have to raise the child and in the process cause their health and resources to deteriorate, there may already be children. For all of these people caring only about the fetus and adding another child to an already impoverished family is a ticket into family instability, insecurity of home and food, deeper poverty and zero resources. Children raised in situations like this have almost no hope of getting out of poverty. They stay in poverty. Read the statistics on poverty and then tell the parents that you care about the child you insist they birth and raise.
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Don't tell me what to read.
I know more about living in poverty than you ewer will.
You have a dangerous opinion. Hidden racism. If a baby faced all the challenges you bring up some people would support forced abortions.
 
Lursa said:
You're not going to get to know the woman either, they're strangers...why do you care about meeting her unborn but not her? See how dumb and disingenuous that post is? It's not even a person.
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I don't have time to try to help you. Evolution takes millions of years.
 
GOP Hippo said:
Don't tell me what to read.
I know more about living in poverty than you ewer will.
You have a dangerous opinion. Hidden racism. If a baby faced all the challenges you bring up some people would support forced abortions.
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Forced birth or forced abortion is all the same difference. It's forced. That's not what a free society is about.
 
multivita-man said:
You post a shit ton for someone who 'doesn't care' about the topic.

Just sayin'

Put it this way: I care. I would never post as much as I do about this and claim I don't care. If you post a drive-by, okay, maybe you don't care. Post 10, 20, 30 messages? Nah, you care.
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Most of my posts have been in response to others quoting me.
 
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trouble13 said:
Why should a man who does not want to be father share in any of those things? What's fair is for men and women be allowed to make independent choices with the government putting its finger on the scale in favor of one over the other. That's what is fair. The ugly truth is that you don't want fair. You want men to be obligated to cater to your whims. You think men's wants are less important than women's.

It's not that its just selfish because I can live with that aspect of it. Everyone has the right to put themselves ahead of others. The ugly part is it's hostile toward men.
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So then you believe in the gender pay gap right?
Since you want things to be fair.
Also you support affirmative action as well since you want things to be equal..

I bet somehow I'm gonna get some bullshit answer or dodge
 
Josie said:
No, not every medical decision a woman makes includes the life of an unborn. Abortions do.
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Umm what?
Abortions do what now?
When a woman has an abortion she unvariable considers both her and the unborn.
As does the medical professional who provides said abortion.
 
trouble13 said:
I would be fine with that if women owned their choices instead of demanding that men subsidize their whims. The mere suggestion of this seems to send the pro-choice crowd into a frenzy of misandry.
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Umm.. women do own their choices. If they choose to have sex and get pregnant.. they will either go through a not so pleasant experience of pregnancy and birth... risking their medical health.. and be financially responsible for the medical care for themselves and ve financially responsible for the child.
If she chooses to abort.. she will have the costs of tge abortion to bear and the medical ramifications of the abortion which can include death.

Meanwhile the man? If he chooses to have sex and his partner gets pregnant ?
He either doesn't have any responsibility for his actions..
Or he pays half the child support. No medical consequences..no medical costs for himself or the partner..

And cripes..you want to remove what little consequence for the man's choices.
 
Plasmaball said:
So then you believe in the gender pay gap right?
Since you want things to be fair.
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I believe everyone should be paid based on their productivity
Plasmaball said:
Also you support affirmative action as well since you want things to be equal..
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AA does not promote equality. It is a quota system.
Plasmaball said:
I bet somehow I'm gonna get some bullshit answer or dodge
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Speaking of dodges you failed to address why men should be forced to support choices made by women.
 
jaeger19 said:
Umm.. women do own their choices. If they choose to have sex and get pregnant.. they will either go through a not so pleasant experience of pregnancy and birth... risking their medical health.. and be financially responsible for the medical care for themselves and ve financially responsible for the child.
If she chooses to abort.. she will have the costs of tge abortion to bear and the medical ramifications of the abortion which can include death.

Meanwhile the man? If he chooses to have sex and his partner gets pregnant ?
He either doesn't have any responsibility for his actions..
Or he pays half the child support. No medical consequences..no medical costs for himself or the partner..

And cripes..you want to remove what little consequence for the man's choices.
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21 years to beholden to someone is hardly a little consequence for something you do not want.
 
trouble13 said:
21 years to beholden to someone is hardly a little consequence for something you do not want.
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Compared to 21 years of financial consequence ...PLUS medical consequences including death..diabetes..paralysis..
Sepsis..scarring..infertility.. cardiovascular disease..
For something you didn't want but felt responsible for.
 
trouble13 said:
Because they want their lifestyle choices subsidized for them. Once you do that, you have opened the door to people wanting you to explain why you need their stuff to support the choices you made.
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Life styles???? Most women that get abortions are low income or poor women and they get abortions because they know they can't afford to support another child. Is this what your antagonism is about -- poor women getting their hands on your"stuff" to subsidize they lifestyle?

If you are interested in protecting all your valuable "stuff" you should be thanking them for aborting the embryo for $500 instead of using your "stuff" for 18 years of support at a cost of $95,000 and $15,000 for birthing a normal child--up to $100,000 for a preemie.

Lifestyle????

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multivita-man said:
You're like posting from beyond the asteroid belt now.
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Projection.
Scrabaholic said:
Canada has a constitution, too. And the USA is not better than us.
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An inferior one, yes.
tres borrachos said:
Canada has a Constitution. Geezus Christ.
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Duh. A lot of countries do, but none are like the US Constitution.
TU Curmudgeon said:
The Founding Fathers meant exactly what they wrote. What they wrote was that those who had the right to (which was the rich, male, elite) were to be in control of the selection of the Executive Branch, the Judiciary, and the Senate AND that the Executive Branch, the Judiciary, and the Senate could prevent the House of Representatives from actually doing anything that the rich, white, elite didn't want done.

The real success of the United States of America was (and remains) that it has progressed away from what the "Original Intent" of the Founding Fathers was.

By your standards, Donald Trump is several million times better than you are.

Now that simply isn't true. You have

**T*H*E** **C*O*N*S*T*I*T*U*T*I*O*N** ​
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Stop lying. Your ridiculous presentism is typical of woke tactics- you twist historical facts to fit your present day prejudices.

and all Canada has is a
  1. better performing educational system than the US,
  2. a better performing medical care system than the US,
  3. a better performing justice system than the US,
  4. more freedom than the US,
  5. longer life expectancy than the US,
  6. more expected years of healthy life than the US,
  7. a lower rate of violent crime than the US,
  8. fewer people going into schools and killing kids by 'exercising their second amendment rights' in order to 'exercise their first amendment rights' to 'make a statement' that they 'have issues' than the US,
  9. elections that are, unlike American elections, not gerrymandered nor rife with 'voter suppression', political parties which actually have programs and platforms which differ from those of the other political parties,
  10. elected representatives who actually work more on getting the programs and platforms that they said the supported when running for office implemented than they work on raising millions of dollars (from sources that they don't want you to know about) in order to ensure that they get re-elected, and an overall happier population than the US,
  11. courts that make decisions based on what the law and the facts are rather than on what the political party that appointed the judges want, and
  12. a constitution that is partly written and partly unwritten (and which contains a whole lot of "Don't be such a dolt, of course people have the right to _[fill in the blank]_. They always have and damnit they always will.")
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LMAO! Canuckistan is a joke. Nobody takes you people seriously. Your economy is 1/20th that of America. :LOL:
 
Josie said:
I'm not anti-abortion for any reason. Only idiots are.

Both humans have value. If the mother is dying because of the pregnancy, then an abortion is needed. If the child is suffering everything should be done to help him/her. If he/she will have lifelong suffering with no quality of life, then an abortion is compassionate, just like turning off life support for your suffering mother is compassionate. If a rape has occurred, then obviously that's a huge blow to the mental health of the mother and continuing the pregnancy will only make things worse for her health, then an abortion might be necessary.

However, the vast majority of abortions aren't any of those things. They are elective. Elective abortions aren't necessary. Does that make me a terrorist? :)
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Elective abortions are not yours to decide on whether or not they are 'necessary'. That decision rests with the woman and her clinician alone.
 
GOP Hippo said:
Abortion lovers just want the easy way out of something. They do that in all aspects of life.
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Maybe "abortion lovers" do. There aren't any abortion lovers on this thread, though. Your cheap shot just trivializes a serious topic.
 
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