[W:1311]The Second Amendment - A Military Right to Bear Arms

[Rucker61]

Check out NRA positions prior to legislation which was proposed following the killing of RFK. They supported some of the restrictions they currently oppose.

Please provide citations.

What is “FDR created nonsense?” FYI, just heard that I get a COLA in my Social Security payments. Thanks FDR... and LBJ for Medicare.

NFA 1934. FDR and the SCOTUS in his pocket also supported Japanese American internment camps. Thanks FDR.

 

[TurtleDude]

Check out NRA positions prior to legislation which was proposed following the killing of RFK. They supported some of the restrictions they currently oppose.

What is “FDR created nonsense?” FYI, just heard that I get a COLA in my Social Security payments. Thanks FDR... and LBJ for Medicare.

I Don't care. The Democrat party supported the Klan once

BFD

and I get the fact you like government handouts-you're an admitted left-winger. I am not

 

[TurtleDude]

You forgot the first part of that Amendment. That part explains why the early States were able to pass so many gun control laws.

LOL-you still haven't figured out the concept of federalism and the purpose of the bill of rights

 

[Media_Truth]

credible proof required for those claims. and weren't those restrictions on where you could carry firearms? I don't recall any bans on what firearms you could own

Many states started passing laws against handguns. The laws banned concealed weapons.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Alabama is also mentioned. There are probably others. I may look it up later.

 

[Media_Truth]

How are they dishonest?

The NRA cherry-picks the 2nd Amendment, by leaving out the Militia portion, on the wall of it's NRA headquarters.

 

[Nickyjo]

Please provide citations.



NFA 1934. FDR and the SCOTUS in his pocket also supported Japanese American internment camps. Thanks FDR.

I don’t know how to copy and paste links on my phone, but just googled “when the NRA supported gun control.” There was an article from Time mag in July of 2016, plus other references listing support of some control legislation. I think their positions changed in the early 1970s, but also found out they supported some controls more recently following a school shooting.

Never said FDR was perfect. LBJ led us into the Vietnam swamp, but passed Medicare. What harm did the NFA do?

 

[Media_Truth]

The right of the people to keep and bare arms hasn't been out dated.

If you think that clause should be changed than it should be done through constitutional moves.

The restriction on infringement on the right of the people to keep and bare arms has not been replaced.

For over 200 years, the States managed their own Gun Control. The Supreme Court seldom interfered in the decisions of the States (only a few occasions). All this changed in 2008. The NRA and it's Libertarian lawyers have hijacked the Supreme Court and America. The Heller decision was one thing, because it was District of Columbia. But the McDonald Illinois case was over the top. Big brother has taken over the States.

The Supreme court didn't intervene in the West, where firearms had to be checked in towns like Dodge City and Tombstone. Historically, they never intervened.

I thought Republicans and Libertarians were for less Federal Government? Doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Media_Truth]

Probably. But I disagree. I don’t believe the second amendment was put there to guarantee the absolute right to own firearms. Call ma a pre-1970s NRA person, supporting the policies they once did before they became shills for the gun industry.

You are correct about the NRA, and it's history.

The NRA's journey from marksmanship to political brinkmanship

The NRA’s nearly 150-year history spans three distinct eras.

At first the group was mainly concerned with marksmanship. It later played a relatively constructive role regarding safety-minded gun ownership restrictions before turning into a rigid politicized force.
...

And the NRA helped shape the National Firearms Act of 1934, with two of its leaders testifying before Congress at length regarding this landmark legislation. They supported its main provisions, such as restricting gangster weapons by creating a national registry for machine guns and sawed-off shotguns and taxing them heavily.
...
By the mid-1970s, a dissident group within the NRA believed that the organization was losing the national debate over guns by being too defensive and not political enough. The dispute erupted at the NRA’s 1977 annual convention, where the dissidents deposed the old guard.

From this point forward, the NRA became ever more political and strident in its defense of so-called “gun rights,” which it increasingly defined as nearly absolute under the Second Amendment.

They have changed from an organization who cared about the safety of Americans (Machine Gun Registration) to one that disregards that safety for their political agenda.

 

[Maccabee]

The NRA cherry-picks the 2nd Amendment, by leaving out the Militia portion, on the wall of it's NRA headquarters.

Because the second part is more relevant to today's politics that the first part.

 

[haymarket]

That's because YOUR reply was in no sense as a rational reply to MY post you were replying to.

You were the one who left the topic behind and accused m of sounding desperate.

 

[haymarket]

And narrowing the question to an extreme, it becomes easy to determine that there is perhaps NO gun in common use. Imagine that.

That is patently false as I have already stated that handguns are in normal use as are many rifles or longguns.

 

[haymarket]

You're disagreeing with a federal Circuit Court. They have a bit more say in the matter than either your or me.

Thats fine. We don't appear in their courtroom and they don't post here.... at least that I am aware of.

 

[haymarket]

Because you wrote questions and answers that displayed a complete lack of knowledge of the other ways that citizens would resist the govt.

Perhaps you can explain how firearms are used to resist the government without the violence attached? That would be interesting.

 

[haymarket]

So this definition of common is the hill you are going to die on?

You compared a specific model of rifle to all handguns. That's apples to oranges.

How many pistols are a Colt 1870 Navy? Willing to bet that it's not quite 6%

I have already stated that handguns are in common use.

 

[hanger4]

You forgot the first part of that Amendment. That part explains why the early States were able to pass so many gun control laws.

I did not forget the first the first part, the 2 amendment limits the power Federal Gov. You forget the 10th amendment;

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[haymarket]

How am I called off from reality? Be specific.


I want to know if everybody that doesn't agree with you is in your estimation walled off from reality.

Far too many on the far right certainly are. Not all of course - but many. And when it comes to guns, many of those on the right simply are in their own little fantasy land of darkness and are unwilling to see anything other than their own extremist beliefs.

I wish it were not so - but sadly it is.

 

[haymarket]

Just a guess, but could it be your pigheaded views?

What specific views would those be?

 

[haymarket]

What you SAY doesn't matter, semi automatic includes pistols. The only fraud is you not admitting your error.

It might appear funny that you tell me what I was voting for when the choice I voted for DID NOT specify that it included ALL forms of weapons in that category and the voter was left to decide for themselves what the category meant to them. But when you intentionally misrepresent what I actually said and continue to make it up as you go along as a normal tactic of yours - its not funny but sad.

 

[hanger4]

The NRA cherry-picks the 2nd Amendment, by leaving out the Militia portion, on the wall of it's NRA headquarters.

How many times must you be corrected on this before you stop making things up ??

 

[haymarket]

Yet you quote absolutely nothing referring to firearms, so you are in error, more than once, as usual.

Why does the word FIREARMS have to be in there? There is nothing special or protected about FIREARMS that demand their elevation to a sacred status of a mention in the Constitution. They are simply included in the normal way the way everything else can be included regarding a power of Congress over it.

 

[CLAX1911]

For over 200 years, the States managed their own Gun Control. The Supreme Court seldom interfered in the decisions of the States (only a few occasions). All this changed in 2008. The NRA and it's Libertarian lawyers have hijacked the Supreme Court and America. The Heller decision was one thing, because it was District of Columbia. But the McDonald Illinois case was over the top. Big brother has taken over the States.

The Supreme court didn't intervene in the West, where firearms had to be checked in towns like Dodge City and Tombstone. Historically, they never intervened.

I thought Republicans and Libertarians were for less Federal Government? Doesn't seem to be the case.

They are for less state government too.

 

[haymarket]

Nonsense, you advocate it all the time, you just aren't honest about it, like right now.

Name me one specific right I have advocated taking from you?

 

[CLAX1911]

I have already stated that handguns are in common use.

Rifles are too. An AR-15 is a rifle.

You're comparing a class of weapons to a model.

 

[CLAX1911]

Far too many on the far right certainly are. Not all of course - but many. And when it comes to guns, many of those on the right simply are in their own little fantasy land of darkness and are unwilling to see anything other than their own extremist beliefs.

I wish it were not so - but sadly it is.

This doesn't explain how I'm walled off from reality.

 

[CLAX1911]

What specific views would those be?

People being walled off from reality that you somehow can't explain.

That's just an excuse not to address an argument because you can't.