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[W:1296] PUTIN FEARS COUP Russian tanks in Moscow to ‘secure Kremlin’ as cowering Putin fears Wagner group are launching coup to overthrow him

Galactic Spin said:
So, what of the Wagner forces in Sudan?

May 26, 2023, 4:48 PM EDT

www.nbcnews.com

U.S. accuses Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries of fueling war in Sudan

Wagner Group is expanding its presence across Africa with security contracts and mining operations, aiming to undermine Western influence, experts say.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Hey man, I'm just going with what I've got, and what I've got is the alleged deal that Wagner is being disbanded. I can't do better than that right now.
 
Cardinal said:
Hey man, I'm just going with what I've got, and what I've got is the alleged deal that Wagner is being disbanded. I can't do better than that right now.
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Ha, I didn't expect insider information. Well, unless you have some. 😁


I am just tossing it out there that Wagner has its wick dipped in Africa, too.

Why would Putin be meddling in a war in Sudan? Well, naturally, it's the most mundane, base, scumbag reason: stealing gold.

 
Tigerace117 said:
The U.S. did effectively lose a war of aggression in Iraq, and nobody was ever punished for it.
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Implying that Putin should be forgiven his war of aggression because of "whatabout W" is wrong for the same reason that the idea that Trump should be forgiven because of whatabout Hillary/Obama/whoever is wrong. Also, Iraq war is not the topic of the thread but a distraction.
 
anatta said:
It appears there wont be any shake up. the shake up is what the Cook wanted ( he didn't want political power he wanted a reformed general leadership). So he decided to "take it to Moscow" except once he took the band on the road
he became aware he was indeed acting as a traitor ( however pure his motives were or were not)

The Cook doesnt want to damage Russia, Putin doesn't want to damage Wagner, so everyone looked for a face saving way out.

It was just a bizarre play. I wonder how much it compromises Wagner fighting ability -the rest is weirdly forgetable
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There is no more Wagner. It is being absorbed into the regular military, the one headed by the generals that Prigozhen has been calling incompetent traitors for months now. If the deal includes those men staying where they are it was not a deal it was a surrender.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The U.S. did effectively lose a war of aggression in Iraq, and nobody was ever punished for it.
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It cost us trillions and American lives and we have nothing to show for it. That seems like punishment to me.
 
Nilhus said:
Yes, absolute zero. If this happened in Lithuania or Estonia., perhaps there would be some debate whether they have some chances or not. But Russia is country with 145 million people and mountains of military hardware that is kept off Ukraine - they need these weapons to defend themselves in case a war with nato starts.
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NATO will never wage a war against Russia. It is against their charter. It is a defensive alliance.
 
iguanaman said:
NATO will never wage a war against Russia. It is against their charter. It is a defensive alliance.
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It's never been a defensive alliance - that's a very bold and outrageous lie !

NATO only ATTACKED other countries - Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya !

It ABSOLUTELY NEVER ACTED in SELF DEFENSE - none of the attacked countries ever attacked a nato member!!!!!
 
Hannu said:
Implying that Putin should be forgiven his war of aggression because of "whatabout W" is wrong for the same reason that the idea that Trump should be forgiven because of whatabout Hillary/Obama/whoever is wrong. Also, Iraq war is not the topic of the thread but a distraction.
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You are beyond wrong! The term "whatabout" was invented by propagandists in American intel(propaganda) services in a desperate attempt to whitewash grave crimes committed by the US, to encourage hypocrisy and double standards! In practice it will never work, the use of this term is regarded at best as terrible ignorance, but more likely it's regarded as a deliberate malicious propagandist act meant to grossly misinform and manipulate public opinion!
 
anatta said:
my mind races to take in info. I guess because I learned how to speed read when i was a kid
I still read that way, but the mind isn't as nimble as it used to be..one reason i gave up competitive chess as well
( the kids were beating up on me)
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I taught "accelerated reading" as it was called but that was long ago and the terminology may have changed -- I haven't looked it up for this post.

I'd think you might agree the "speed reading" you learned as a kid might be more reckless and sometimes off road than the more measured "accelerated reading" I taught many moons ago. That is, reading in phrases and clauses and all of that, picturing eventually some whole sentences.

I learned to type 300 words a minute with 3 errors max when I was a teen and it's the most practical skill lessons I ever had. It paid off in many jobs I had that involved writing. The electric typewriter threw me off at first but I came along just fine. :cool: I was used to resting my fingers slightly on the standard typewriter keys that on the newfangled electric one set off a sudden burst of nonsense.

Nonsense, yeah, sort of like my posts, I know. As with you, I attribute it to advanced age, pushing 80 as I am. Glory be to VA meds.
 
Nilhus said:
You are beyond wrong! The term "whatabout" was invented by propagandists in American intel(propaganda) services in a desperate attempt to whitewash grave crimes committed by the US, to encourage hypocrisy and double standards! In practice it will never work, the use of this term is regarded at best as terrible ignorance, but more likely it's regarded as a deliberate malicious propagandist act meant to grossly misinform and manipulate public opinion!
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Oh, another Putinist. I know full well how whataboutism is used, so don't bother trying to lecture me.
 
Gatsby said:
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To quote another member that appears to think just like you:
iguanaman said:
No country is perfect but here in the America we believe in innocence until proven guilty.
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"Innocent until proven guilty" - that's what a lot of Americans falsely pretend to believe in!

Do you know what Bush said when the Taliban demanded evidence about Osama's guilt?

"There's no need to discuss it," Bush said. "We know he's guilty"

That's the essence of America: lies, false accusations, illegal invasions and wars, and many, many other outrageous illegal and highly immoral things!
 
Hannu said:
Oh, another Putinist. I know full well how whataboutism is used, so don't bother trying to lecture me.
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So you're admitting that you're deliberately spreading American propaganda.
What evidence do you have that I am supporter of Putin?
 
Nilhus said:
To quote another member that appears to think just like you:

"Innocent until proven guilty" - that's what a lot of Americans falsely pretend to believe in!

Do you know what Bush said when the Taliban demanded evidence about Osama's guilt?

"There's no need to discuss it," Bush said. "We know he's guilty"

That's the essence of America: lies, false accusations, illegal invasions and wars, and many, many other outrageous illegal and highly immoral things!
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Oh wow, a 9/11 truther. How retro. I thought you all had moved on to exciting new conspiracies.
 
Gatsby said:
Oh wow, a 9/11 truther. How retro. I thought you all had moved on to exciting new conspiracies.
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Is that how you call anyone who doesn't trust the biggest liars and criminals that this planet has ever seen? "truthers" , "conspiracy theorists?"

Gulf of Tonkin incident
MKULTRA
COINTELPRO
Syphilis experiments in Guatemala
Bay of Pigs invasion
Operation Northwoods(while rejected by JFK who was killed shortly thereafter, it was kept secret for more than 35 years; how do we know that something similar was not approved later?)
Operation Mongoose(actual terrorists acts against civilians carried out by the CIA)
Operation Cyclone (the actual creation of modern Islamic terrorism - all done by the CIA & friends)
Iran-Contra Affair
Arming Saddam with chemical weapons(via "dual use" programs) and giving him intel(like satellite coordinates) to gas the Iranians(and then ironically backstab him - not a first, happened to Noriega and others before)
Naiyrah testimony
Colin Powell agitating vials at the UN(spewing out complete fantasies about non-existent chemical weapons)
51 "intelligence officials" signing a fake letter claiming non-existent Russian involvement in the Hunter Biden laptop story - all at the request of scumbag Anthony Blinken(who instead of rotting in prison, is the Secretary of State)

This is just a teeny-tiny selection of outrageous and totally illegal things done by the same organizations and/or people that people like you want us to trust regarding 9/11 a lot of other things. Which is worse than wrong. It's deliberately evil!
 
Nilhus said:
Is that how you call anyone who doesn't trust the biggest liars and criminals that this planet has ever seen? "truthers" , "conspiracy theorists?"

Gulf of Tonkin incident
MKULTRA
COINTELPRO
Syphilis experiments in Guatemala
Bay of Pigs invasion
Operation Northwoods(while rejected by JFK who was killed shortly thereafter, it was kept secret for more than 35 years; how do we know that something similar was not approved later?)
Operation Mongoose(actual terrorists acts against civilians carried out by the CIA)
Operation Cyclone (the actual creation of modern Islamic terrorism - all done by the CIA & friends)
Iran-Contra Affair
Arming Saddam with chemical weapons(via "dual use" programs) and giving him intel(like satellite coordinates) to gas the Iranians(and then ironically backstab him - not a first, happened to Noriega and others before)
Naiyrah testimony
Colin Powell agitating vials at the UN(spewing out complete fantasies about non-existent chemical weapons)
51 "intelligence officials" signing a fake letter claiming non-existent Russian involvement in the Hunter Biden laptop story - all at the request of scumbag Anthony Blinken(who instead of rotting in prison, is the Secretary of State)

This is just a teeny-tiny selection of outrageous and totally illegal things done by the same organizations and/or people that people like you want us to trust regarding 9/11 a lot of other things. Which is worse than wrong. It's deliberately evil!
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Lizard people did 9/11.
 
Tangmo said:
I taught "accelerated reading" as it was called but that was long ago and the terminology may have changed -- I haven't looked it up for this post.

I'd think you might agree the "speed reading" you learned as a kid might be more reckless and sometimes off road than the more measured "accelerated reading" I taught many moons ago. That is, reading in phrases and clauses and all of that, picturing eventually some whole sentences.

I learned to type 300 words a minute with 3 errors max when I was a teen and it's the most practical skill lessons I ever had. It paid off in many jobs I had that involved writing. The electric typewriter threw me off at first but I came along just fine. :cool: I was used to resting my fingers slightly on the standard typewriter keys that on the newfangled electric one set off a sudden burst of nonsense.

Nonsense, yeah, sort of like my posts, I know. As with you, I attribute it to advanced age, pushing 80 as I am. Glory be to VA meds.
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accelerated reading would be the correct term, Speed Reading was a trademark of Evelyn Woods Speed Reading school.

you learn to can a line amd not vocalize the words in your head.
your eye reads into your brain without having to say the words in your head
you keep increasing the drop down rate of your finger. your eye leans to read without vocalizing the words in your head
scanning the words across each line in bigger chunks

One has to practice it consciously to keep the skill. I can do it but it really strains my brain to concentrate
Oddly pattern recognition but not cognitive speed improve with age. So I tend to see a chunk of text and process it, but might misread it
Life is more daily deja vu with age
 
Gatsby said:
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I do not understand why Putin's plan is not clear to everyone...
His best guy and his mercenary army mount a coup, and Putits forgive them ...
While Ukraine is busy in the southeast, he banishes the whole lot of them to the northwest... (Belarus)

During their travels up to Moscow, Not one shot was fired... Not one RFAF plane was launched...
Their route took them halfway to Moscow and they stopped in some little town for refuel and NEW equipment...
They are also near Ukraine and Belarus Border... All they need to do is turn left... Putin sends them to Belarus...

When they first attacked from Belarus they did not have hardened battle-tested troops... They do now...
They are going after Kyiv...
-Peace
 
Gatsby said:
Lizard people did 9/11.
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It's infinitely more likely that murderous subhuman filth in the US "intel" agencies did it! ;) They have the necessary experience , the corresponding moral profile and the actual motivation(massive increases in funding for their institutions, crazy totalitarian legislation that serves strictly their imterests)! ;)
 
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