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[W:1210] Ivermectin cures Covid. Like, almost always.

Fledermaus said:
Reality remains reality even when you don't want it to be.
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A rather ironic statement coming from you Fledermaus.

I'm just going to dismiss you once again, seeing as you aren't intent on being productive in the very least.
 
LostinThought said:
A rather ironic statement coming from you Fledermaus.
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I would ask you to explain but we both know you won't.

Hell, you still haven't quoted the lie you imagine I made.

LostinThought said:
I'm just going to dismiss you once again, seeing as you aren't intent on being productive in the very least.
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You are just going to run again because that is what you do.

BTW - The thread is about Ivermectin and the idiots claiming preventative/curative properties.
 
fireflygmf said:
You don't know what you're talking about.

I read data in an unbiased way... The data looked great when I wrote that (since that time two papers were found to be potentially fraudulent), but there was no way for me to know that. When the fraud was uncovered I changed my position with the new information.

Besides, all I was asking for was a high quality study, not for global usage.

I wrote letters to my health minister and Prime Minister's office way back in February 2020 trying to get attention on the new coronavirus.

I social distance.

I mask.

I am double vaccinated at my earliest opportunity

My position in that post was 100% rational, so why don't you try to argue against the actual position I have - that we should study promising leads - instead of casting blind aspersions.

So it seems I am the open mind in this debate and you are the one swallowing whatever political tripe comes your way. Do better.
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Sure, let us study. Let us not politically overhype. And your background, the sciences? Any experience in pharma, biomedical research, or the drug hunting game? Here in the States, we don't really have a nation, we decided to leverage the pandemic as a eugenic cleansing exercise once we could no longer get away with denying its existence. Perhaps you could write our "leaders". So to be clear, you're urging folks to mask, vax, and then study this on the back burner?
 
H B Lowrey said:
Sure, let us study. Let us not politically overhype. And your background, the sciences? Any experience in pharma, biomedical research, or the drug hunting game? Here in the States, we don't really have a nation, we decided to leverage the pandemic as a eugenic cleansing exercise once we could no longer get away with denying its existence. Perhaps you could write our "leaders". So to be clear, you're urging folks to mask, vax, and then study this on the back burner?
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No need for back burner study.

Ivermectin doesn't work.
 
H B Lowrey said:
Sure, let us study. Let us not politically overhype. And your background, the sciences? Any experience in pharma, biomedical research, or the drug hunting game? Here in the States, we don't really have a nation, we decided to leverage the pandemic as a eugenic cleansing exercise once we could no longer get away with denying its existence. Perhaps you could write our "leaders". So to be clear, you're urging folks to mask, vax, and then study this on the back burner?
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Well first of all, yes I did study in the sciences. Secondly, no not in pharma. Thirdly, that is a huge claim you are making about the States in that they are attempting to execute a eugenic cleansing exercise. I mean, big claims, big evidence required. Finally, to be clear: Yes. That would be my position. Continue to mask, get vaxxed, distance, and continue to be open and carefully study any grey or confusing areas to try and find new treatments, regardless of the drug's political affiliation, as ridiculous as that sounds. COVID isn't done with us yet unfortunately.
 
Fledermaus said:
Once more for the Ivermectin crowd.
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If you're looking for someone who was hopeful about the efficacy early on, I count myself among those people, but I've changed my mind since the two of the supportive studies where accused of containing fraudulent data. I've since lost faith in the data that I can get about this drug because of this, but I'd be happy to debate and play the other side just for the sake of discussion if you like. Sometimes it's fun to explore all sides of an idea.
 
fireflygmf said:
If you're looking for someone who was hopeful about the efficacy early on, I count myself among those people, but I've changed my mind since the two of the supportive studies where accused of containing fraudulent data. I've since lost faith in the data that I can get about this drug because of this, but I'd be happy to debate and play the other side just for the sake of discussion if you like. Sometimes it's fun to explore all sides of an idea.
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I have no objections to testing to see what else Ivermectin can contribute to. We have seen numerous examples of medicine that has a primary use and a valid secondary use. Aspirin, Viagra, etc

My objection is to people who keep insisting it works for COVID.
 
While there is no evidence that ivermectin is useful in treating covid there are two studies that seem to indicate that an antidepressant drug that is both cheap and available might be helpful. It’s a generic drug so the drug companies haven’t applied for an EUA. But in an unusual move a private doctor has done so. Now the FDA will have to respond:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/specia...0&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition
 
Ethel2 said:
While there is no evidence that ivermectin is useful in treating covid there are two studies that seem to indicate that an antidepressant drug that is both cheap and available might be helpful. It’s a generic drug so the drug companies haven’t applied for an EUA. But in an unusual move a private doctor has done so. Now the FDA will have to respond:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/96431?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-12-30&eun=g1745706d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily Headlines Top Cat HeC 2021-12-30&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition
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If it turns out to be useful that would be great but way too early to know
 
Quag said:
2 small studies only
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One small
One not so small. The Brazilian study had almost 1500 covid positive patients each with a risk factor for severe disease. I don’t know if that’s sufficient but it seems like it might be to me, a non statistician.
At least it’s worth getting more information
 
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