[W:1127] Justice Department says classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were likely ‘concealed and removed’ to block investigation

[Ambig]

Y’all literally accused us of stealing an election you lost. Millions still believe it.

Trumpers love to accuse their enemies of being themselves. It's an actual phenomenon.

 

[What if...?]

Trumpers love to accuse their enemies of being themselves. It's an actual phenomenon.

Every accusation is a confession.

 

[Conservative]

I said good day!

This is a debate forum which apparently over your head

 

[Conservative]

So you flee my question and expect me to answer yours? Why would I?



Sure. The producers make more money. What's so hard about that to understand?



If I thought you spoke for 'the people', I'd probably hang myself now.

You have a great alias that is no longer seen on my screen

 

[Conservative]

Every accusation is a confession.

What you continue to show is how dependent you are on the liberal ideology and how poorly educated members of the left are on basic civics and economics. Too bad that confession doesn't exist in the liberal world or you would admit the left has made a fool out of you. Prove to me that Trump shut down your business? Prove to me that you understand the role of the various governments we have? Prove to me that any data I have posted is cherry picked, false, or a lie. If you can't then apologize for letting the left make a fool out of you

 

[MTAtech]

You have that reversed. What appears from the last 5-6 years is that anything alleged against Trump is automatically deemed correct and trustworthy, and that no amount of disproof and no amount of misconduct by investigators and political opponents is ever relevant. With ever debunked allegation, another load of accusation follows, and THEN the walls are closing in THIS TIME. His opposition know he's guilt of something, it's just a question of finding it. It doesn't matter that the Russian Collusion debacle was proven to be a hoax, it doesn't matter that there were never contacts with Russian intelligence, it doesn't matter that his tax returns did not reveal fraud or evasion, it does not matter that there was no back channel server, it does not matter that the FBI lied on warrant affidavits to surveill his campaign, it doesn't matter that FBI agents vowed to "stop it" (his election), it doesn't matter that wild allegations were proven to be wrong over and over again. His opponents know he's really guilty of something. So, this time, they have him.

This is what I remember:

 

[MTAtech]

What you continue to show is how dependent you are on the liberal ideology and how poorly educated members of the left are on basic civics and economics. Too bad that confession doesn't exist in the liberal world or you would admit the left has made a fool out of you. Prove to me that Trump shut down your business? Prove to me that you understand the role of the various governments we have? Prove to me that any data I have posted is cherry picked, false, or a lie. If you can't then apologize for letting the left make a fool out of you

Ahem. This thread is neither about ideology nor economics. The thread is about Trump stealing government documents, lying about it and possibly risking national security l

 

[Peacenik]

The rest of the world needs to know. If we do nothing to a guy as corrupt as Trump, the whole world will suffer, I think.

I agree. We have to do the do the right thing here. This case has the attention of the world. Other nations have convicted their leaders when they were corrupt. Now the question is will the USA do it? We should deliver the correct answer.

 

[Conservative]

Ahem. This thread is neither about ideology nor economics. The thread is about Trump stealing government documents, lying about it and possibly risking national security l

Then lock Trump up but that doesn't change the reality that you are a tool for the left, totally civics and economics challenged with no understanding as to the role of the President. Hope this cures your TDS but doubt it as cult followers are never truly cured. Only a true cult follower hates Trump so much that they believe he would destroy this nation for no apparent reason after putting America first for four years. You show your selfishness on the tax issue and continue to do so with total ignorance of results.

 

[MTAtech]

Then lock Trump up but that doesn't change the reality that you are a tool for the left, totally civics and economics challenged with no understanding as to the role of the President. Hope this cures your TDS but doubt it as cult followers are never truly cured. Only a true cult follower hates Trump so much that they believe he would destroy this nation for no apparent reason after putting America first for four years. You show your selfishness on the tax issue and continue to do so with total ignorance of results.

Personal attacks are all you got.
Your projection about cult followers was amusing.
Trump put America first? He threatened national security by keeping top secret documents, that contained the names of foreign assets, stored in his country club that is swarming with spies. Who knows how many died due to his action. He may have compromised nuclear secrets. We will find out through this investigation.

 

[primaryKey]

Methinks they doth protest too much.

I think you may have bastardized this phrase. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Given that the current request before Judge Cannon is for a Special Master to review the documents for attorney-client privilege and applies only to those documents.

Given that FPOTUS and his team turned over other government property and classified documents in the spring and as a result of the June Grand Jury subpoena.

Given the DOJ/FBI has security footage from MAL.

Given the DOJ/FBI will not be barred from further investigation into the handling of the May/June document dumps.
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Anyone think the FBI will be investigating not only how the classified documents got to MAL and where were they located at MAL, but will also include an in depth investigation regarding who had access to the classified documents prior to the August 8th search warrant (i.e. the May/June) documents.

I’m thinking beyond FPOTUS and his MAL staff. I mean visitors to MAL such as Representatives, Senators, State Legislators, and other important persons the FPOTUS was trying to impress. Where any of these people aware that classified documents were being held at MAL? Were any of them shown classified documents while meeting with FPOTUS and his team? If so, were they only shown that the documents existed or were they made privy to the contents of any classified documents?

Will security footage be used to ID visitors? Is there a path that the FBI is following to scour news reports to identify visitors? Are there any type of visitor logs maintained which will point to outsiders visiting MAL?

Why is this important some may ask. Well for one thing it may show a pattern of mishandling of classified documents by unauthorized persons. Secondly, if the FPOTUS tries to make a claim in court (as he has done so far only in social media) that he “declassified everything”, that must have occurred prior to noon on January 20, 2021. However if after that point he and his team were still treating and referencing classified documents as - well - classified documents, it undercuts his (proposed) claim that he declassified everything. If things are declassified, he would have no need to project (or protect) them as classified, unless he really didn’t believe he declassified them before leaving office.

WW

 

[MrNiceGuy]

This is what I remember:
View attachment 67410416

I remember Democrats laughing about Hillary Clinton maintaining a private server for government business and distributing and destroying/deleting government information, including top secret information, which she had no power to declassify herself, and being just fine with her not being prosecuted for, generally referring to the entire situation as "...but her emails!" The statute of limitations hasn't run on Clinton's issues. Since you're very consistent about these things, do you support the DOJ prosecuting her now about them?

I, for one, had no issue with the choice not to prosecute Clinton at the time.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Given that the current request before Judge Cannon is for a Special Master to review the documents for attorney-client privilege and applies only to those documents.

Given that FPOTUS and his team turned over other government property and classified documents in the spring and as a result of the June Grand Jury subpoena.

Given the DOJ/FBI has security footage from MAL.

Given the DOJ/FBI will not be barred from further investigation into the handling of the May/June document dumps.
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.
.
Anyone think the FBI will be investigating not only how the classified documents got to MAL and where were they located at MAL, but will also include an in depth investigation regarding who had access to the classified documents prior to the August 8th search warrant (i.e. the May/June) documents.

I’m thinking beyond FPOTUS and his MAL staff. I mean visitors to MAL such as Representatives, Senators, State Legislators, and other important persons the FPOTUS was trying to impress. Where any of these people aware that classified documents were being held at MAL? Were any of them shown classified documents while meeting with FPOTUS and his team? If so, were they only shown that the documents existed or were they made privy to the contents of any classified documents?

Will security footage be used to ID visitors? Is there a path that the FBI is following to scour news reports to identify visitors? Are there any type of visitor logs maintained which will point to outsiders visiting MAL?

Why is this important some may ask. Well for one thing it may show a pattern of mishandling of classified documents by unauthorized persons. Secondly, if the FPOTUS tries to make a claim in court (as he has done so far only in social media) that he “declassified everything”, that must have occurred prior to noon on January 20, 2021. However if after that point he and his team were still treating and referencing classified documents as - well - classified documents, it undercuts his (proposed) claim that he declassified everything. If things are declassified, he would have no need to project (or protect) them as classified, unless he really didn’t believe he declassified them before leaving office.

WW

The FBI will have no hesitation in investigating anyone associated with Donald Trump regarding this issue, to the point where they have already floated the trial balloons in the media that even Trump's attorneys are at risk and the anonymous sourced information that Trump for some reason can't find a legitimate attorney to represent him - it's a warning to anyone who might want to represent him - come near Trump, and you're in the crosshairs, too.

 

[MTAtech]

I remember Democrats laughing about Hillary Clinton maintaining a private server for government business and distributing and destroying/deleting government information, including top secret information, which she had no power to declassify herself, and being just fine with her not being prosecuted for, generally referring to the entire situation as "...but her emails!" The statute of limitations hasn't run on Clinton's issues. Since you're very consistent about these things, do you support the DOJ prosecuting her now about them?

I, for one, had no issue with the choice not to prosecute Clinton at the time.

Comey famously declared that Clinton and others at the State Department had been “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” He did not recommend prosecution, however, because as he reviewed the relevant precedents, he found that “all the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.”

Notably, Trump’s decision to retain classified information in the infamously insecure Mar-a-Lagoresort, even after the National Archives asked for it back, meets a plain-English standard of “clearly intentional and willful mishandling,” exposing information in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct, and efforts to obstruct the investigation.

However, the standard Comey described is no longer the law. That’s because as president, Donald Trump signed a law removing any ambiguityabout intent when mishandling classified information. It is not simply that Trump’s behavior here was worse than Clinton’s; it’s that he rewrote the law to make the standard higher and then violated both the one described by Comey and the higher standard he set himself.

If It Were Anyone Else, They’d Be Prosecuted

A revealing photo removed any remaining ambiguity.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

The FBI will have no hesitation in investigating anyone associated with Donald Trump regarding this issue, to the point where they have already floated the trial balloons in the media that even Trump's attorneys are at risk and the anonymous sourced information that Trump for some reason can't find a legitimate attorney to represent him - it's a warning to anyone who might want to represent him - come near Trump, and you're in the crosshairs, too.

#1 I agree, I don't think the FBI will hesitate developing evidence that undercuts FPOTUS's claim (only made so far in social media posts, not in court filings) that he "declassified everything" and information on who was given access and how the FPOTUS team treated the classified documents after leaving office will be an important aspect in how THEY viewed the information after noon on January 20, 2021.

#2 Well there is the old adage, which seems very appropriate here, "If you lie down with dogs, expect to get fleas."

WW

 

[MTAtech]

The FBI will have no hesitation in investigating anyone associated with Donald Trump regarding this issue, to the point where they have already floated the trial balloons in the media that even Trump's attorneys are at risk and the anonymous sourced information that Trump for some reason can't find a legitimate attorney to represent him - it's a warning to anyone who might want to represent him - come near Trump, and you're in the crosshairs, too.

When and where did Justice Department officials say anything about the quality of Trump’s legal team or that they may be prosecuted? What pundits say does not reflect onto DoJ.

Nobody has to warn attorneys to stay away from Trump if they want to get paid. Nor should it be a surprise to any attorney that if they lie on court filings they may face sanctions.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Nor should it be a surprise to any attorney that if they lie on court filings they may face sanctions.

You mean like certifying that an extensive search of MAL was done for classified documents and that all were surrendered as a result of the June subpoena, and then come August there is another batch found as part of a search warrant?

WW

 

[Conservative]

Personal attacks are all you got.
Your projection about cult followers was amusing.
Trump put America first? He threatened national security by keeping top secret documents, that contained the names of foreign assets, stored in his country club that is swarming with spies. Who knows how many died due to his action. He may have compromised nuclear secrets. We will find out through this investigation.

I wish I could say that cult followers were honest. So for four years Trump's policies kept America safe, he had access to all those classified documents but now after leaving office he is doing what with them? Unbelievable the hatred you have for this former President. How about answering the question, is locking him up going to cure your TDS and get you to focus on Biden policies and results?

 

[Athanasius68]

This is what I remember:
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I also recall Mrs. Clinton not being prosecuted for sending and storing classified email information on her homebrewed system as well as her destroying government documents.
I do not recall any searches of her Chappaqua home.

As the above note agrees, a decision to prosecute Mr. Trump will be a political decision
And as the above note indicates, those who will favor such a prosecution will do so for political reasons.
Political prosecutions are simply not in the American tradition.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Ahem. This thread is neither about ideology nor economics. The thread is about Trump stealing government documents, lying about it and possibly risking national security l

Nothing was stolen. These were documents that he was privy to and legally in his possession while he was in office. And they were 1000 times more secure then the classified emails that were on the hildabeast's unsecure private email server, which could have been easily hacked.

 

[Athanasius68]

Comey famously declared that Clinton and others at the State Department had been “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” He did not recommend prosecution, however, because as he reviewed the relevant precedents, he found that “all the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.”

It should be pointed out that Mrs. Clinton destroyed government documents that were subject to an investigation.
Her obstruction of justice there was ignored by Mr. Comey.

Notably, Trump’s decision to retain classified information in the infamously insecure Mar-a-Lagoresort, even after the National Archives asked for it back, meets a plain-English standard of “clearly intentional and willful mishandling,” exposing information in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct, and efforts to obstruct the investigation.

However, the standard Comey described is no longer the law. That’s because as president, Donald Trump signed a law removing any ambiguityabout intent when mishandling classified information. It is not simply that Trump’s behavior here was worse than Clinton’s; it’s that he rewrote the law to make the standard higher and then violated both the one described by Comey and the higher standard he set himself.

If It Were Anyone Else, They’d Be Prosecuted

A revealing photo removed any remaining ambiguity.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Athanasius68]

Nothing was stolen. These were documents that he was privy to and legally in his possession while he was in office. And they were 1000 times more secure then the classified emails that were on the hildabeast's unsecure private email server, which could have been easily hacked.

He should have returned them when asked.

 

[MAGAnificent]

He should have returned them when asked.

And the hildabeast should have produced the missing 3000 emails and should not have had her staff destroy five Blackberry cellphones with hammers to avoid prosecution. What's your point?

 

[Athanasius68]

Personal attacks are all you got.
Your projection about cult followers was amusing.
Trump put America first? He threatened national security by keeping top secret documents, that contained the names of foreign assets, stored in his country club that is swarming with spies. Who knows how many died due to his action. He may have compromised nuclear secrets. We will find out through this investigation.

It should be pointed out whats not in the old article below is that Mrs. Clinton was Sec of State when all this occurred and while she was using her homebrewed server.

Chinese paper applauds anti-spy efforts after NY Times report CIA sources killed

An influential state-run newspaper applauded China's anti-espionage efforts on Monday after The New York Times said China had killed or imprisoned up to 20 CIA sources, hobbling U.S. spying operations in a massive intelligence breach.

www.reuters.com