[W:1103] Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack on the country - Live Thread.

[braindrain]

And they would never kidnap more Israelis in order to get more money in the future. An organization like Hamas wouldn't do something like that. They would be content with the money received for the current hostages and everything would be gravy...

It’s hard to believe someone could be that naive and come up with such a stupid idea as that was but yet here we are.

 

[Desert Storm]

Hamas leader has called for International Day of Jihad tomorrow.

That should be interesting

 

[Atreus21]

There's no absolute 'right' to exist, as though there's a natural law supporting it. We generally just say that states exist because they have a reasonably clear border, their people have been there for a long time, and they have some sort of government which represents them to communicate with other states. It took the Zionists half a century to get to that point. Palestinians need to accept that Israel exists, and Israel needs to accept that Palestine exists, and they need to come up with a two-state solution. But, again, I don't think Israel is serious about that, I think they want ALL of the land, and are willing take it incrementally over a period of many decades.

The Palestinians have been offered the two-state solution on five separate occasions. Each was rejected.

 

[braindrain]

I agree it's blood on Hamas hands much like if I slap my older brother and take a beating, it's my own doing.

That's also why I think Israel should act more sensibly, exactly like a stronger, wiser simbling. As one of the few countries to possess nuclear weapons, they should be more responsible than to trade 1000 lives for potentially 50k+ in an unequal "war".

Can you tell me what country tries to run an equal war.
Seems idiotic to me.

 

[Atreus21]

Each drop of innocent blood spilled is on Hamas' hands. Every drop might've been spared. But Hamas values death more than Israel values life. They've said that explicitly.

 

[LessBiased?]

And how is that different then you not being a part to it but trying to tell Israel what to do.

I proposed a solution. At least I don't start from the assumption that a deal can't be made.

Oslo accords were progress towards a peace deal, but then a right-wing extremist Jew killed Rabin and Netanyahu came in and wasn't genuinely interested in compromise either.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Nope, this was generally Palestinian land before the Zionist project began. The Jews are the one who need to leave. It's not complicated.

No, there were no actual Palestinians before there was an Israeli state

 

[LessBiased?]

The Palestinians have been offered the two-state solution on five separate occasions. Each was rejected.

Crap deals. Give them at least 50% of the land, and contiguous, not fragmented.

 

[Irredentist]

Each drop of innocent blood spilled is on Hamas' hands. Every drop might've been spared. But Hamas values death more than Israel values life. They've said that explicitly.

The actions of Hamas, horrific as they may be, do not absolve Israel of their responsibility to conduct themselves in accordance with the laws of war.

 

[Irredentist]

No, there were no actual Palestinians before there was an Israeli state

Likewise, there were no Israelis before there was an Israeli state.

 

[maxparrish]

I disagree. Israel is willing to pay the economic price, including hostages murdered by Hamas
US can pass a funding bill for lethal and financial aid to Israel
Most likely tied to Ukraine funding

Well, I am not saying they won't wait. I'm just saying there are reasons whey they may not wait. I'm sure Israel is willing to pay the price necessary to destroy HAMAS, but how they do it is a matter of choices and tradeoffs.

So as I said, if they go soon rather than later, don't be surprised.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I proposed a solution. At least I don't start from the assumption that a deal can't be made.

The only deal to be made is to use so much violence the terrorists die or unconditionally surrender

Oslo accords were progress towards a peace deal,

And the terrorists never followed them

but then a right-wing extremist Jew killed Rabin and Netanyahu came in and wasn't genuinely interested in compromise either.

Compromise isn’t possible with barbarians

 

[coyote505]

The actions of Hamas, horrific as they may be, do not absolve Israel of their responsibility to conduct themselves in accordance with the laws of war.

He who fights a street fight by Marquess of Queensbury rules LOSES.

 

[Irredentist]

He who fights a street fight by Marquess of Queensbury rules LOSES.

Quite the opposite is true. The only way Israel can lose this war, is if they continue to fail at adequately distinguishing between civilians and combatants. Israel cannot afford to stoop to the same level as literal terrorists. Their moral high ground is flimsy enough as it is.

 

[LessBiased?]

No, there were no actual Palestinians before there was an Israeli state

Your homework assignment is to read this:

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[braindrain]

I proposed a solution. At least I don't start from the assumption that a deal can't be made.

Oslo accords were progress towards a peace deal, but then a right-wing extremist Jew killed Rabin and Netanyahu came in and wasn't genuinely interested in compromise either.

It’s an idiotic solution that will only encourage more terror attacks on Israel.
But then going by your posts here it pretty obvious that is not really a concern for you.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Your homework assignment is to read this:

Palestinians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I’m not interested in political propaganda laundered through Wikipedia

 

[Irredentist]

I’m not interested in political propaganda laundered through Wikipedia

Where do you get yours laundered instead?

 

[Atreus21]

Crap deals. Give them at least 50% of the land, and contiguous, not fragmented.

The Peel commission's proposal gave them far more than 50% and it was contiguous. Rejected by the Arabs.

 

[Ethel2]

No, there were no actual Palestinians before there was an Israeli state

Actually there were. Palestine (which is not a country and has never been a country) was the expansive piece of land where the country of Israel now sits upon as well as I believe a piece of modern day Jordan. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. It was inhabited by various peoples including nomadic groups and the current folks now referred to as Palestinians. They never owned the land they farmed and it was actually quite a mess. A lot of it was swampland (which the Israelis later drained) to make fertile ground for both Olive trees and a particular type of orange which was mostly exported to the UK. Malaria was a huge problem when the early settlers arrived but draining the swamps pretty much fixed that.
Bottom line: there were Palestinians when the early settlers arrived in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

 

[braindrain]

I proposed a solution. At least I don't start from the assumption that a deal can't be made.

Oslo accords were progress towards a peace deal, but then a right-wing extremist Jew killed Rabin and Netanyahu came in and wasn't genuinely interested in compromise either.

Jeebus, you're not even a party to it, and already derailing such a negotiation ...

Oh I guess it’s different when it is you doing it.
But funny how according to you the Palestinians getting anything less than 50% of the land despite having about half the population of Israel is a crap deal. But Israel paying hundreds of billions of dollars and giving up a lot of their land is a good deal and what Israel should do.


But no you are less biased right.
Tell me do you think you are fooling anyone with that name.

 

[trixare4kids]

Breaking: Link to follow
Israel informs the U.N. to tell Palestinians to evacuate the north Gaza Strip, and relocate within 24 hours.

eta:

 

[stevecanuck]

Do you honestly think 100% of Muslims feel this way necessarily,

Add strawman to the list.

Never have I, nor ever will I, say that every Muslim is dedicated to following the murderous dictates of the Qur'an.

What I AM saying is that such murderous dictates exist, and that there are enough who DO follow them to cause the substantial degree of jihad that has existed to this day.

 

[Desert Storm]

If you search Wadi Gaza on google maps you'll get an idea where the line is drawn

 

[coyote505]

Quite the opposite is true. The only way Israel can lose this war, is if they continue to fail at adequately distinguishing between civilians and combatants. Israel cannot afford to stoop to the same level as literal terrorists. Their moral high ground is flimsy enough as it is.

Moral high ground is a bit silly here. Anyone who has followed this attack knows that ANY ground is well above Hamas. Hamas sympathisers have no concept of morality. What They understand is dead bodies. Like negotiating with Al Capone.