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you evidently aren't a Christian either...because if you were, you would know that you cannot judge someone else's Christianity...and yes, he is a Christian.

Anyone that supports abortion and gender confusion isn’t a Christian. I know what the Bible says. You don’t understand what judgment means. It means seeing things clearly and honestly. Obama supports abortion and same sex marriage. God will judge him for that. Clearly and honestly.

 

[ClaraD]

Anyone that supports abortion and gender confusion isn’t a Christian. I know what the Bible says. You don’t understand what judgment means. It means seeing things clearly and honestly. Obama supports abortion and same sex marriage. God will judge him for that. Clearly and honestly.

I don't know that he supports or engages in anything...and btw, the Bible is very silent on abortion being what you think it is...in fact, in one instance, God ordered abortion and even provided how to do it...and in another it was described as something worthy of a monetary fine if it was intentionally done when the woman didn't want it....the new testament says do unto others and love one another...it doesn't give you the right to stick your nose in someone else's bedroom...you are responsible for your actions and no one sin is more grave than another...so, when you are without sin.....

 

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I don't know that he supports or engages in anything...and btw, the Bible is very silent on abortion being what you think it is...in fact, in one instance, God ordered abortion and even provided how to do it...and in another it was described as something worthy of a monetary fine if it was intentionally done when the woman didn't want it....the new testament says do unto others and love one another...it doesn't give you the right to stick your nose in someone else's bedroom...you are responsible for your actions and no one sin is more grave than another...so, when you are without sin.....

God never ordered abortion. The Bible isn’t silent on the subject. However, even Biblical truth can be twisted. People can make it say whatever is convenient for them. You are an obvious example of that. Miss me with your misconceptions of the Bible. I shouldn’t have brought it up.

Obama supports a women’s right to choose, and in 2012 he changed his mind, and came down on the side of gay marriage.

 

[ClaraD]

God never ordered abortion. The Bible isn’t silent on the subject. However, even Biblical truth can be twisted. People can make it say whatever is convenient for them. You are an obvious example of that. Miss me with your misconceptions of the Bible. I shouldn’t have brought it up.

Obama supports a women’s right to choose, and in 2012 he changed his mind, and came down on the side of gay marriage.

oh, but yes he did...
have you not ever read Numbers 5?
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

 

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oh, but yes he did...
have you not ever read Numbers 5?
11 Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the LORD cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

I have read it. You misconstrue what is being said and don’t appreciate the context. Adultery/Jealousy. . No instruments violated the womens body. She was given a choice to drink a liquid or not to. I won’t argue scripture with you nor make excuses for God. Adultery is serious. And this example is far from the wholesale slaughter of the unborn that we are witnessing now.

Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.


Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.


Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.


Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

 

[ClaraD]

I have read it. You misconstrue what is being said and don’t appreciate the context. Adultery/Jealousy. . No instruments violated the womens body. She was given a choice to drink a liquid or not to. I won’t argue scripture with you nor make excuses for God. Adultery is serious. And this example is far from the wholesale slaughter of the unborn that we are witnessing now.

Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.


Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.


Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.


Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

No, I don't misconstrue anythng...it is permitting an abortion...wouldn't God forbid the drinking of the liquid and tell her it is a sin, because it is murder if you abort a child? It in fact says that God will bring about the abortion...

Also, God compared abortion by force something likened to a financial fine...Exodus 21:22...this clearly defines the unborn abortion as not a fatality

And should men quarrel and hit a pregnant woman, and she miscarries but there is no fatality, he shall surely be punished, when the woman's husband makes demands of him, and he shall give [restitution] according to the judges' [orders].

 

[ClaraD]

no where in the bible does it say bringing about a miscarriage or abortion as it was defined then is murder or killing.

 

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no where in the bible does it say bringing about a miscarriage or abortion as it was defined then is murder or killing.

Common sense helps at times but you have it your way. I realized when we first interacted that nothing would ever change your mind about anything. Like I said. Common sense is necessary when reading. You obviously lost yours somewhere. The Bible never mentions gay marriage either, but Jesus said marriage is between a man and a woman. God is jealous for life. If you knew God in any way you would surely know that.

 

[ClaraD]

Common sense helps at times but you have it your way. I realized when we first interacted that nothing would ever change your mind about anything. Like I said. Common sense is necessary when reading. You obviously lost yours somewhere. The Bible never mentions gay marriage either, but Jesus said marriage is between a man and a woman. God is jealous for life. If you knew God in any way you would surely know that.

God says that his principle is forgiveness and that no sin is greater than another...so, again...you are wrong...and I am not surprised that you decide what God wants without consulting with him first.

 

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Moderator's Warning:

Please return to the topic, which is not abortion.