[W:105] GOD HIMSELF will be with them

[poppopfox]

It doesn't change the fact though..................that the BIBLE is goobly-gook to you.
It shows.

Define goobly-gook.

 

[redbeer]

@Daisy
@redbeer
@Alter2Ego


I'm asking a very logical question........................... based on the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Don't ignore it and don't try to bury it with your silly posts....like, suggesting His Testimony is only of being the root of David!
He also made the same ALPHA/OMEGA claim on Rev 21.

(Rev 21:6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

Take time to think about it.

I've already addressed this, but you have ignored the response. Here again for those in the back:


Don't forget the preceding verse:

(Rev 21:5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
(Rev 21:6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

The one who is speaking is sitting on the throne in heaven......where does Jesus sit in heaven? Of course, to the right on the One sitting on the throne. This is none other than the Father speaking here.

Revelation 22

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.


14; “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.


16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”


What I do know and clearly see -Jesus made a DECLARATION of being The ALPHA and OMEGA.


Ask yourself:

Why would He declare He is God....................if to believe that He is GOD, is not important?

Jesus did not declare that he is God. He sent his angel to give the testimony of God and the words the angel is speaking are those of God. This angel is doing exactly what Jesus did, which is give testimony of the One True God. Jesus said he is the Root and Offspring of David not God, for Jesus also says the Father is the only true God. The angel and Jesus are in total agreement here.

 

[Metanoia]

Don't forget the preceding verse:

(Rev 21:5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
(Rev 21:6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

The one who is speaking is sitting on the throne in heaven......where does Jesus sit in heaven? Of course, to the right on

The logistics of this fascinate me. If God is Spirit does he need a chair on the throne ? Mostly for our limited understanding it seems almost natural to personify those in the heavenly realms. Do they have nice houses, restaurants, etc ? Just curious what others visualize…..is this a mistake on our part to visualize ? Maybe AI can answer this…..

 

[redbeer]

The logistics of this fascinate me. If God is Spirit does he need a chair on the throne ? Mostly for our limited understanding it seems almost natural to personify those in the heavenly realms. Do they have nice houses, restaurants, etc ? Just curious what others visualize…..is this a mistake on our part to visualize ? Maybe AI can answer this…..

More than likely down to scenes we can understand, for God's throne is not bound to a material universe in which we live, yet has made it possible for Him to come and dwell within us......that's the remarkable majesty of it all.

I have seen the risen, glorified Christ and it was the Father (God) who was 'in' Christ which was brighter than the noonday sun, totally beyond description or understanding, a love without limits......will the day come where we will be able to see the Father's face, idk.

 

[Peter]

If God is all powerful why doesn't he just end evil?
Is he just lazy or uncaring?

 

[tosca1]

I've already addressed this, but you have ignored the response. Here again for those in the back:


Don't forget the preceding verse:

(Rev 21:5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
(Rev 21:6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

The one who is speaking is sitting on the throne in heaven......where does Jesus sit in heaven? Of course, to the right on the One sitting on the throne. This is none other than the Father speaking here. Jesus did not declare that he is God. He sent his angel to give the testimony of God and the words the angel is speaking are those of God. This angel is doing exactly what Jesus did, which is give testimony of the One True God. Jesus said he is the Root and Offspring of David not God, for Jesus also says the Father is the only true God. The angel and Jesus are in total agreement here.

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego



Well - if you say it's GOD who sits on the throne, speaking - then you give support to my argument that GOD and Jesus are One and The Same..............because of Jesus' declaration in Revelation 22.



First of all, you need to remember as to ..............................whose Coming are you waiting for?

Aren't we all awaiting the coming of JESUS CHRIST?



Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”




There - can't get any clearer than that it's JESUS CHRIST, who's identifying Himself as GOD.




Thank you for your post. It gave me an additional evidence.
Just like Daisy had given me so many.

I'd forgotten Rev 1.
That should serve as a message to you both that I stand on The TRUTH.




Hebrews 9:28
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

 

[redbeer]

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego

Well - if you say it's GOD who sits on the throne, speaking - then you give support to my argument that GOD and Jesus are One and The Same..............because of Jesus' declaration in Revelation 22.

First of all, you need to remember as to ..............................whose Coming are you waiting for?

Aren't we all awaiting the coming of JESUS CHRIST?

Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”


There - can't get any clearer than that it's JESUS CHRIST, who's identifying Himself as GOD.


Thank you for your post. It gave me an additional evidence.
Just like Daisy had given me so many.

I'd forgotten Rev 1.
That should serve as a message to you both that I stand on The TRUTH.

One must read the book of Revelation from this viewpoint:


(Rev 1:1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him.....

From this essential statement your hypothesis cannot be correct.


(Rev 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


God did not witness for Himself nor was God the first begotten of the dead, neither did God ever have blood. Jesus is the faithful witness to God, His Father, the prince of the kings of the earth. Verses 5,6,7 go on to describe Jesus, the 8th verse the one speaking is the One sitting on the throne, none other than God the Father, the One whom Jesus testified.

Hebrews 9:28
So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

"Appears a second time....to save those who are eagerly waiting for him"......Can one be saved without Jesus appearing this 'second' time?.....and how does Jesus return in this 'second' appearance?

Hebrews chapters 9 and 10 are great for explaining the similarities and differences between God's two covenants between man.....a great study.

 

[tosca1]

One must read the book of Revelation from this viewpoint:


(Rev 1:1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him.....

From this essential statement your hypothesis cannot be correct.


(Rev 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


God did not witness for Himself nor was God the first begotten of the dead, neither did God ever have blood. Jesus is the faithful witness to God, His Father, the prince of the kings of the earth. Verses 5,6,7 go on to describe Jesus, the 8th verse the one speaking is the One sitting on the throne, none other than God the Father, the One whom Jesus testified.



"Appears a second time....to save those who are eagerly waiting for him"......Can one be saved without Jesus appearing this 'second' time?.....and how does Jesus return in this 'second' appearance?

Hebrews chapters 9 and 10 are great for explaining the similarities and differences between God's two covenants between man.....a great study.

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego


What viewpoint are you on about?
Surely, not yours?
Read it again:


Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”



It's time to play.........................CONNECT-THE-DOTS:


Who's coming again? The LORD GOD, the Alpha and Omega - who got pierced!
Who got pierced? JESUS!
Who's giving the Testimony? JESUS!






Revelation 1 - has summed it up as an intro........................ and Revelation 22 - has wrapped it up at the end!



Revelation 22

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.



Lol - you don't want to see.


have a nice day.

 

[redbeer]

@Daisy
@Alter2Ego


What viewpoint are you on about?
Surely, not yours?

The viewpoint of scripture as I showed......here, again for the slower:


(Rev 1:1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him.....

The very 1st verse in the book of Revelation tells us. Who gave Jesus this revelation?

Read it again:


Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

The 8th verse is not Jesus speaking......sorry for your luck.

It's time to play.........................CONNECT-THE-DOTS:


Who's coming again? The LORD GOD, the Alpha and Omega - who got pierced!
Who got pierced? JESUS!
Who's giving the Testimony? JESUS!






Revelation 1 - has summed it up as an intro........................ and Revelation 22 - has wrapped it up at the end!



Revelation 22

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.



Lol - you don't want to see.


have a nice day.

I see fine......for the saints, Jesus has been coming for over two millennia giving a witness to our spirit no man can take away. You are exactly as the religious Jews were in Jesus' time, they were looking in error and crucified the Lord of Glory. You are looking for Jesus to pop out of the literal sky and rule as a literal King in this world, when the Kingdom of God and His Christ is within. Don't you know your body is a temple of God where He will come to reside. It is and He comes with the glorified Christ and there are many mansions through the generations........but you keep looking in the wrong places.

 

[Daisy]

 

[Daisy]

 

[redbeer]

It really is that simple.

 

[tosca1]

Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”





Revelation 22

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

 

[redbeer]

Revelation 1

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds, and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”





Revelation 22

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

A little context:


(Rev 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(Rev 1:6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Picking scripture out of context and creating new context is deceitful and wrong.

 

[tosca1]

A little context:


(Rev 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(Rev 1:6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Picking scripture out of context and creating new context is deceitful and wrong.

Your verses don't give "context" to what I just gave.
They're irrelevant to what was actually given.

I'm sorry Redbeer..................but, if you can't understand what you quoted, #788 - then, you don't know context.




I'll get back to you when you've got something worth responding to.
Cheers.

 

[redbeer]

Your verses don't give "context" to what I just gave.
They're irrelevant to what was actually given.

I'm sorry Redbeer..................but, if you can't understand what you quoted, #788 - then, you don't know context.




I'll get back to you when you've got something worth responding to.
Cheers.

Not in Context???.....are you serious? They are directly in the immediate context.

Why the need to imagine a "Godman"?.....only to force all others to follow suit?

 

[tosca1]

Not in Context???.....are you serious? They are directly in the immediate context.

Why the need to imagine a "Godman"?.....only to force all others to follow suit?

Not in context when we are talking about JESUS' declaration of being The ALPHA and OMEGA, and the verses from Rev 1 and Rev 22.
You're cherry-picking and trying to move the basis for the argument.
Deal with that!


I hope that clear it up why I said what you're giving are, irrelevant!

THEY DON'T ADDRESS POST #788!






....and you dare talk about "context?"

 

[tosca1]

Not in Context???.....are you serious? They are directly in the immediate context.

Why the need to imagine a "Godman"?.....only to force all others to follow suit?

continuation:


Hahahaha


That would be like me saying, the man who was caught red-handed confessed he shot the woman dead for the money!

And you come giving a rebuttal why that couldn't be..............the guy is the cousin of the woman, and they are neighbors.


See what I mean?
You just want to keep going on and on and on.........................when you're not really giving any rational rebuttals.

You don't know context.








I'm cringing as to when you and Daisy will resurrect something that's been answered so many times, "Jesus cannot pray to the Father if they are One. That would be praying to Himself!"
Lol - like this one:

And I'm excusing myself from you both.......................until you've got something worth responding to.
Daisy ought to try harder with her scraper!

 

[redbeer]

Not in context when we are talking about JESUS' declaration of being The ALPHA and OMEGA, and the verses from Rev 1 and Rev 22.
You're cherry-picking and trying to move the basis for the argument.
Deal with that!


I hope that clear it up why I said what you're giving are, irrelevant!

THEY DON'T ADDRESS POST #788!






....and you dare talk about "context?"

Trinitarian glasses have you seeing things....


The "Godman" delusion:


(2Th 2:4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

(2Th 2:11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(2Th 2:12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and the Father is the only true God, as scripture abundantly reveals.

 

[Daisy]

For the less educated in titles...

"Lord" is a title with multiple meanings, most commonly denoting authority, control, or power over others. It can refer to a ruler, a deity, a person with a title of nobility, or a feudal superior. In a religious context, particularly within Christianity, "Lord" often refers to God or Jesus Christ.

1. Authority and Power:

• Ruler:
  A lord can be a sovereign, a king, or a leader who has authority over a territory or people.
  
  
• Feudal Superior:
  In a feudal system, a lord was a person who held land and granted it to vassals in exchange for service and loyalty.
  
  
• • Master or Owner:
    "Lord" can also refer to someone who has authority over others, such as a master or owner of property.
    
  • Leader in a Field:
    The term can also be used to describe someone who is a leader or has great influence in a particular profession or field.
    

2. Religious Context:

• • God (capitalized): In Christianity, "the Lord" is a common name for God.
  • Jesus Christ (capitalized): "The Lord" can also refer to Jesus Christ, particularly within Christian contexts.
    

3. Titles of Nobility:

• • Noble Title:
    In the United Kingdom, "Lord" is a title of nobility, often used for members of the peerage (dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts, and barons).
  • Courtesy Title:
    "Lord" can also be a courtesy title for certain officials or for the sons of peers.
    

4. Other Uses:

• • Interjection:
    "Lord" can be used as an interjection to express surprise, elation, or other strong emotions (e.g., "Lord, what a beautiful day!").
    
  • Verb:
    The verb "lord" (usually with "it") means to act as if one is superior to others, to dominate or dictate, according to the Cambridge Dictionary.
    

The specific meaning of "Lord" depends heavily on the context in which it is used.
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