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[W:105] GOD HIMSELF will be with them
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Deflection ?? That is so weak……I have never said a word about hell…..somehow you are mixed up…..
He's not, there is no gender with spirit beings...that's for our benefit, just as God is referred to with fingers, hands, and arms...all for the human's benefit to help us understand God better...
Because we cannot see God with physical eyes, he uses certain anthropomorphic expressions to help us to understand and appreciate things about himself. The Bible speaks of him as having eyes (Ps 34:15; Heb 4:13); arms (Job 40:9; Joh 12:38); feet (Ps 18:9; Zec 14:4); heart (Ge 8:21; Pr 27:11); hands (Ex 3:20; Ro 10:21); fingers (Ex 31:18; Lu 11:20); nose, nostrils (Eze 8:17; Ex 15:8); and ears (1Sa 8:21; Ps 10:17). It is not to be supposed that he literally possesses these organs in the way that we know them.
The apostle John, who had hope of life in heaven, said to fellow heirs of heavenly life: “Beloved ones, now we are children of God, but as yet it has not been made manifest what we shall be. We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is.” (1Jo 3:2) It will be a body conformed to the “glorious body” of Jesus Christ (Php 3:21), who is “the image of the invisible God,” “the reflection of his glory and the exact representation of his very being.” (Col 1:15; Heb 1:3) They will, therefore, receive bodies that are incorruptible, having immortality, as distinguished from angels in general and from mankind, who are mortal.—1Co 15:53; 1Ti 1:17; 6:16; Mr 1:23, 24; Heb 2:14.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000783
Yet, you insist there is a burning hell where people literally burn forever...
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I would remind you that you can go to a very bad place for lying or so some say. It is so embarrassing to see you lie…..please refer everyone to the post of mine that said that…..burning hell seems like something you and your 144,000 would believe…
Please accept my sincere apology, I seem to have you mixed up with Little Nipper and it was not an intentional lie...so sorry...
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Let's get back on the topic about the Trinity, and that JESUS is GOD Himself.
This isn't the thread to talk about hell or anything else.
Yes, Jesus did say HE IS GOD.
Book of Revelation.
That's what the revelation is!
He revealed He is GOD, Himself!
This isn't the thread to talk about hell or anything else.
Yes, Jesus did say HE IS GOD.
Book of Revelation.
That's what the revelation is!
He revealed He is GOD, Himself!
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For those interested, a list of verses and arguments given. Many more are not included in the list.
Posts # 257 and 258
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[W:105] GOD HIMSELF will be with them
And Jesus explains exactly the meaning of his words in the previous verses...they are unified in protecting their sheep and leading them to everlasting life... https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/43/10#s=30&study=discover Ezekiel 34 31 You are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, and I...
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Please accept my sincere apology, I seem to have you mixed up with Little Nipper and it was not an intentional lie...so sorry...
Thank you for checking that out….
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This just occurred to me as I was writing a post in another thread:
The "angel of the Lord" is none other but THE WORD of GOD - the Pre-Incarnate Christ.
In other words, GOD HIMSELF!
How do we know that?
The Angel of the Lord, was the one calling the shot!
The Angel of the Lord was the one who stopped Abraham. He didn't say, "Wait! God says stop!"
He identified Himself blatantly too, on line 12.
Genesis 22
22 After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
2 He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
3 So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac.
And he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar.
5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy[a] will go over there and worship and come again to you.”
6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together.
7 And Isaac said to his father Abraham, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” He said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 Abraham said, “God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” So they went both of them together.
9 When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built the altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood.
10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son.
11 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.”
The "angel of the Lord" is none other but THE WORD of GOD - the Pre-Incarnate Christ.
In other words, GOD HIMSELF!
How do we know that?
The Angel of the Lord, was the one calling the shot!
The Angel of the Lord was the one who stopped Abraham. He didn't say, "Wait! God says stop!"
He identified Himself blatantly too, on line 12.
Genesis 22
22 After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
2 He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
3 So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac.
And he cut the wood for the burnt offering and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar.
5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy[a] will go over there and worship and come again to you.”
6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son. And he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together.
7 And Isaac said to his father Abraham, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” He said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 Abraham said, “God will provide for himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” So they went both of them together.
9 When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built the altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac his son and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood.
10 Then Abraham reached out his hand and took the knife to slaughter his son.
11 But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.”
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These are the realizations that are our rewards for perseverance……keeping scripture in mind….contemplating it….realizing deeper meaning. To paraphrase Psalms 1:1-2…..”Blessed is the man….whose delight is in the law(word) of the Lord, and on his law(word) he meditates DAY and NIGHT”…..ie…all the time. I would assume you have been familiar with this verse for years without having had this revelation…….we are blessed, we are graced when we remain open to new understanding.
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Oh, boy!
The plot thickens on GENESIS 22!
No doubt that it's GOD speaking!
Genesis 22
15 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven
16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his[d] enemies,
18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”
The keyword that struck me is, "SURELY."
Flashback to GENESIS 15.
God had made a covenant with Abraham:
Genesis 15
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him: “This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir.”
5 And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
6 And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
In Genesis 22, God reiterated His covenant with Abraham - and added SURELY, because of his obedience.
The plot thickens on GENESIS 22!
No doubt that it's GOD speaking!
Genesis 22
15 And the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven
16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his[d] enemies,
18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.”
The keyword that struck me is, "SURELY."
Flashback to GENESIS 15.
God had made a covenant with Abraham:
Genesis 15
4 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him: “This man shall not be your heir; your very own son shall be your heir.”
5 And he brought him outside and said, “Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
6 And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
In Genesis 22, God reiterated His covenant with Abraham - and added SURELY, because of his obedience.
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Oh,boy!
Genesis 22, is a goldmine!
Genesis 22
16 and said, “By myself I have sworn,
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
Isaiah 45
21 Declare and present your case;
let them take counsel together!
Who told this long ago?
Who declared it of old?
Was it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other god besides me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.
22 “Turn to me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn;
from my mouth has gone out in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
Genesis 22, is a goldmine!
Genesis 22
16 and said, “By myself I have sworn,
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
Isaiah 45
21 Declare and present your case;
let them take counsel together!
Who told this long ago?
Who declared it of old?
Was it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other god besides me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.
22 “Turn to me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn;
from my mouth has gone out in righteousness
a word that shall not return:
‘To me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
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This is so in-your-face..........how could I have missed it all these time?
Here is another clear evidence why JESUS is GOD!
John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
Jesus didn't say, "if you love GOD, you will keep His Commandments."
Jesus cannot claim the Commandments of God for His own if He isn't GOD.
Leviticus 22:31
So you shall keep My commandments, and do them; I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 11:1
“You shall therefore love the Lord your God, and always keep His charge, His statutes, His ordinances, and His commandments.
1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
Here is another clear evidence why JESUS is GOD!
John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
Jesus didn't say, "if you love GOD, you will keep His Commandments."
Jesus cannot claim the Commandments of God for His own if He isn't GOD.
Leviticus 22:31
So you shall keep My commandments, and do them; I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 11:1
“You shall therefore love the Lord your God, and always keep His charge, His statutes, His ordinances, and His commandments.
1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
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Thank you @redbeer for having provided the opportunity for this to be found!
It's ONLY God, whom we serve!
Mathew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”
And yet.....................we're serving Christ!
That's what it means to be called, SERVANTS of Christ!
In many places in the New Testament, the apostle Paul refers to himself as “a servant of Jesus Christ” (e.g., Romans 1:1; Colossians 4:12; Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 4:6).
The Lord’s half-brother Jude refers to himself in the same way (Jude 1:1). Rather than capitalize on his close relationship to Jesus, Jude relegated himself to the status of a servant. Jesus’ family, friends,
and chosen apostles refer to themselves as His servants, the plain implication being that Jesus is Lord.
“Servant” is a translation of the Greek word doulos, which means more literally “a slave or bondservant, someone who sets aside all rights of his own to serve another.”
Because the word slave carries such a negative connotation to our modern sensitivities, we often choose the word servant instead.
However, servant does not quite capture the real meaning of doulos. Paul said he was a “slave” to Christ.
It's ONLY God, whom we serve!
Mathew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, “‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’”
And yet.....................we're serving Christ!
That's what it means to be called, SERVANTS of Christ!
In many places in the New Testament, the apostle Paul refers to himself as “a servant of Jesus Christ” (e.g., Romans 1:1; Colossians 4:12; Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 4:6).
The Lord’s half-brother Jude refers to himself in the same way (Jude 1:1). Rather than capitalize on his close relationship to Jesus, Jude relegated himself to the status of a servant. Jesus’ family, friends,
and chosen apostles refer to themselves as His servants, the plain implication being that Jesus is Lord.
“Servant” is a translation of the Greek word doulos, which means more literally “a slave or bondservant, someone who sets aside all rights of his own to serve another.”
Because the word slave carries such a negative connotation to our modern sensitivities, we often choose the word servant instead.
However, servant does not quite capture the real meaning of doulos. Paul said he was a “slave” to Christ.
What does it mean to be a servant of Christ? | GotQuestions.org
What does it mean to be a servant of Christ? In what ways are believers supposed to be serving Christ?
www.gotquestions.org
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This verse actually shows the TRINITY - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It also shows Them being ONE and The Same.
2 Cor 3
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Read 2 Cor 3 again.
Which Lord is the Spirit?
BOTH - Father and Son!
Since both, claim to be The LORD!
Connect the dots between the following four verses below.
They show Jesus and GOD being LORD and, Jesus is GOD.
John 20
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Psalm 100:3
Know that the Lord Himself is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
Leviticus 18:14
You are to perform My judgments and keep My statutes, to live in accord with them; I am the Lord your God.
John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
2 Cor 3
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Read 2 Cor 3 again.
Which Lord is the Spirit?
BOTH - Father and Son!
Since both, claim to be The LORD!
Connect the dots between the following four verses below.
They show Jesus and GOD being LORD and, Jesus is GOD.
John 20
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Psalm 100:3
Know that the Lord Himself is God;
It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
Leviticus 18:14
You are to perform My judgments and keep My statutes, to live in accord with them; I am the Lord your God.
John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
Food for thought...
If only Bible translators would restore God's name back in the Bible where it belongs, the Trinity doctrine will die naturally...
If only Bible translators would restore God's name back in the Bible where it belongs, the Trinity doctrine will die naturally...
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I know that many reject the idea of the Trinity but we could ask ourselves where would we be without Jesus and the Holy Spirit ? Just a continuation of the OT ? For me the Trinity is a revelation of the fullness of God which was largely in absentia for 4,000 years. Deuteronomy 29:29….from the OT….”The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and our children forever….”. It seems that Jesus and the Holy Spirit both qualify as revealed secrets….
Wrong...the trinity says that all 3 are co-equal, co-eternal, and fully God, yet they are distinct in their roles and relationships with God...the Christian Greek Scriptures/NT testifies to the exact opposite...neither Jesus nor the holy spirit are co-equal with God since they are both dependent on God...Jesus was a man of prayer to his Heavenly Father, Jehovah because he placed his faith in God...the Bible’s use of the holy spirit tells us that it is a controlled force that Jehovah God uses to accomplish a variety of His purposes...by His spirit, God carries out his purpose/will/judgments on men and nations...
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Wrong only because you remain blind to revelation….you would have little to talk about if you were restricted to the OT…..which perhaps you should consider ? You could be true to God that way….
You sure would...no mention of the 3 in 1 there...lol...
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Of course the trinity was absent for 4,000 years before Christ, because it's never taught or implied in scripture. Jesus, the apostles and early Christians neither were trinitarians in the slightest. If your hypothesis were correct, I'm sure Jesus would have made it clear, but he didn't. When it comes to the makeup of God, it has remained constant through both the OT and NT, namely that there is, was, and will always be only One True God. There wasn't a revelation that God changed, it was that the OT and it's laws are fulfilled in Christ, the Son of God. Problem came when some wished to change the Christ (Anointed) OF God INTO God and herein lies the error.