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[W:105] GOD HIMSELF will be with them

Do you think when we say, a "person," regarding the Trinity......................we refer to a real person like John?
Is that why you didn't include the SPIRIT of GOD?



There is no accurate term to describe the Trinity - so person" is usually used.
But we don't mean a real person, like people.

The WORD of GOD and The SPIRIT of GOD, are not people.
They are like ................."essence," or nature of GOD. For lack of a better word.
That's why They are All One and The Same.




Jesus was THE WORD.
Remember that GOD had spoken creation into existence, by saying..........."Let there be light......etc.,."

Thus, all things were created THROUGH Him (spoken words), and BY Him and FOR Him (because He's also CREATOR/GOD).

The WORD became man, and dwelt among us. That's the incarnation of The Word of GOD (Jesus/GOD).
He became flesh - thus, He became the visible image of the invisible GOD.


Remember, GOD is spirit. He needed to be physical to be seen by men.........and, to go through all the sufferings and physical death.
For how can a spirit suffer physical pain if He's not of flesh and blood?
How can He die to resurrect again, if He's not man?


The NEW Testament is also included as THE WORD of GOD.......................because of Jesus Christ.
Jesus was the one explaining about GOD.
Who was mostly speaking to us in the New Testament? JESUS CHRIST (GOD)!


God did not become a man. Jesus was a true mortal human being, as us. God, who Jesus declares is the Father only, came to be 'in' Jesus, thus Immanuel, for God was with and in Christ.....this is what John witnessed.

Making a god after our own likeness is idolatry. We are commanded to have One God.....Jesus leads and show us the Way TO God. At no time did God become a mortal man, He sent His Son, giving him the power and authority to act on His behalf.

Once Jesus ascended to His Father, Jesus received the promise of the Holy Spirit and now comes to us, as the Father did him.....as Jesus is not God, neither are we, yet we can receive the great Witness of His Spirit to our spirit and as Jesus was given the promises, so shall we.

God did not become a man, to die for us, to resurrect Himself.......He sent His Son, the Messiah, the Christ, the Promised One. Jesus is our High Priest, our Mediator 'between' God and man. The risen, glorified Jesus once receiving the promises from His God and Father is a very powerful spiritual being today, being the First with many following through the generations, thus the importance of the resurrection and the promises. Through the sacrifice of His own Son and the obedience of Christ to honor His Fathers will, we can truly follow Christ to the entire reason for this creation, namely that God is expanding His family.
 
John 12
44 And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me.
45 And whoever sees me sees him who sent me.


Col 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—
all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.



Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.
After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,



John10:30
I and the Father are one.”


John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Rev 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
 
John 12
44 And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me.
45 And whoever sees me sees him who sent me.

Of course, who sent Christ?......who was in Christ?

Col 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—
all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

These are in the context:


(Col 1:3) We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

(Col 1:12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
(Col 1:13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
(Col 1:14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:


Image:

G1504
εἰκών
eikōn
i-kone'
From G1503; a likeness, that is, (literally) statue, profile, or (figuratively) representation, resemblance: - image.
Total KJV occurrences: 23

Yes, Jesus is the exact representation, likeness and image of His Father.


Hebrews 1:3
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.
After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

(Heb 1:1) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
(Heb 1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(Heb 1:3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(Heb 1:4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.


The picture of the risen/glorified Christ once receiving the promises from the Father.


John10:30
I and the Father are one.”

Of course, and we are one with them:


(Joh 17:21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(Joh 17:22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
(Joh 17:23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

We only need to ascertain whose word did Jesus speak, then this makes perfect sense without the need for philosophical mumbo jumbo.

Rev 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

There's one and only God as there's one and only Christ......The one and only unique God begot the Son, who is the unique, one and only Christ.

These both can be spoken of as the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, because there is none other like them.

One God the Father and One Christ, the Messiah.


(1Co 8:6) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(1Ti 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
 
Of course, and we are one with them:


@Daisy
I guess @tosca1 thinks that makes her a god, too...lol...


:rolleyes:



John10:30
I and the Father are one.”




Remember, context is everything...............right, Daisy?




Here's the context:



John 10:30
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,

26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”





First of all - Jesus and the Father, had always been ONE.

Jesus was explaining why no one WILL snatch His sheep out of His hands, because, NO ONE CAN!
Why?
He and The Father are One and The Same.





To eliminate all doubt that He's saying He and the Father are One and the Same, let's see the importance of the term "them," which is applied to both Jesus and the Father.
Read the passage again. Jesus is referring to His sheep.



no one will snatch them (Jesus' sheep) out of my hand.

no one can snatch them (Jesus' sheep) out of my Father’s hand.


30 I and the Father are one.”





That means................................ to be in Jesus' hand, is to be in GOD's hand.

Because, They are ONE and The SAME.
 
@Daisy



:rolleyes:



John10:30
I and the Father are one.”




Remember, context is everything...............right, Daisy?




Here's the context:



John 10:30
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,

26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are one.”





First of all - Jesus and the Father, had always been ONE.

Jesus was explaining why no one WILL snatch His sheep out of His hands, because, NO ONE CAN!
Why?
He and The Father are One and The Same.


You just added to scripture by adding the words, "and the same", going so far to capitalize the letters, "and The Same"......this is absent from scripture.

To eliminate all doubt that He's saying He and the Father are One and the Same, let's see the importance of the term "them," which is applied to both Jesus and the Father.
Read the passage again. Jesus is referring to His sheep.



no one will snatch them (Jesus' sheep) out of my hand.

no one can snatch them (Jesus' sheep) out of my Father’s hand.


30 I and the Father are one.”





That means................................ to be in Jesus' hand, is to be in GOD's hand.

Because, They are ONE and The SAME.

Now that you have added to scripture is it acceptable for you to keep adding the phrase elsewhere??
 
You just added to scripture by adding the words, "and the same", going so far to capitalize the letters, "and The Same"......this is absent from scripture.



Now that you have added to scripture is it acceptable for you to keep adding the phrase elsewhere??


Have I added them to the Scriptures? No.
Where did I add it to the Scriptures?


For me to say they're One and The Same, is my own way of explaining Jesus is none other but GOD, Himself.


What's the difference with me saying they're One and The Same..............................when Jesus is saying He is GOD, Himself?
That's what He's saying in that passage above, as explained and illustrated in details.



I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.




They're One and The Same.



Anyway............now, you're nitpicking. :)
 
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Yes, context is everything...take this verse for example...the phrase "are one" was a common one, and even today if someone uses it, people would know exactly what he meant...he and his father are very much alike...the same wording as John 10:30...why translate the phrase as “are one” in one place, but as “have one purpose” in another place?

"Now the one who plants and the one who waters are one, but each person will receive his own reward according to his own work." 1 Corinthians 3:8

And this verse...

"and not only for the nation but also to gather together into one the children of God" John 11:52

Jesus Christ also uses the concept of “being one” in other places, as already mentioned, such as John 17:11,21,22...it is quite obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being or “substance” just as he and his Father were one being or “substance"...the meaning is clear...Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose...
 
To say that it is impossible to be one with God is to say and accept that is impossible to give up your ego…..would this have been impossible for Jesus ?
 
To say that it is impossible to be one with God is to say and accept that is impossible to give up your ego…..would this have been impossible for Jesus ?
No one is saying that...what we are saying is being one with God or anyone, for that matter, is not what trinitarians think it is...it is not a physical/literal thing but a mental/spiritual/figurative thing...just like this is not a physical thing...John 6:56

"Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood ..."

But a mental/spiritual thing...

"remains in union with me, and I in union with him."
 
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No one is saying that...what we are saying is being one with God or anyone, for that matter, is not what trinitarians think it is...it is not a physical/literal thing but a mental/spiritual/figurative thing...just like this is not a physical thing...John 6:56

"Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood ..."

But a mental/spiritual thing...

"remains in union with me, and I in union with him."



Whether it is physical or spiritual, is not an issue!
It's not for you make an issue out of it, and explain that it's only "figurative" (much like the same way you try to explain hellfire).
The same principle applies.
You're simply giving us your own opinion.


You - or anyone else - hold no authority to negate what the Bible clearly says.

Jesus and God, are One and The Same.

With GOD - nothing is impossible.
 
Anyone who listens/believes false doctrines about Jehovah God and His Son Jesus Christ are in reality listening to Satan...

"it is impossible for God to lie..." Hebrews 6:18

"God, who cannot lie..." Titus 1:2

God, who cannot lie: To lie would violate the very nature of “Jehovah, the God of truth.” (Ps 31:5) All that Jehovah does, he carries out by means of his holy spirit, which Jesus referred to as “the spirit of the truth.” (Joh 15:26; 16:13) Jehovah is completely different from imperfect humans, for “God is not a mere man who tells lies.” (Nu 23:19) Further, Jehovah stands in contrast with Satan, who is “a liar and the father of the lie.” (Joh 8:44) Paul’s point: Because it is impossible for God to lie, his promises are completely trustworthy.—Heb 6:18.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/56/1#s=2&study=discover&v=56:1:2
 
Anyone who listens/believes false doctrines about Jehovah God and His Son Jesus Christ are in reality listening to Satan...

"it is impossible for God to lie..." Hebrews 6:18

"God, who cannot lie..." Titus 1:2

God, who cannot lie: To lie would violate the very nature of “Jehovah, the God of truth.” (Ps 31:5) All that Jehovah does, he carries out by means of his holy spirit, which Jesus referred to as “the spirit of the truth.” (Joh 15:26; 16:13) Jehovah is completely different from imperfect humans, for “God is not a mere man who tells lies.” (Nu 23:19) Further, Jehovah stands in contrast with Satan, who is “a liar and the father of the lie.” (Joh 8:44) Paul’s point: Because it is impossible for God to lie, his promises are completely trustworthy.—Heb 6:18.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/56/1#s=2&study=discover&v=56:1:2

:rolleyes:



Don't listen to yoyr JW.org.
Don't rely on JW.org to read the Bible for you.

YOU read the Bible.
 
Have I added them to the Scriptures? No.
Where did I add it to the Scriptures?


For me to say they're One and The Same, is my own way of explaining Jesus is none other but GOD, Himself.

Jesus claimed that his Father is the only true God......yet you believe a manmade doctrine over the words of Jesus.....whatever.

What's the difference with me saying they're One and The Same..............................when Jesus is saying He is GOD, Himself?
That's what He's saying in that passage above, as explained and illustrated in details.

Jesus never claimed to be God......it simply does not exist in scripture.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.




They're One and The Same.



Anyway............now, you're nitpicking. :)

These sayings are said of both God and His Christ, for they both are one of a kind......God who is the Father and there's only One of Him......Jesus, being the Son of God, the prophesied Messiah and there's only One of Him. There is none like God as there is none other like the Christ.
 
Galatians 2:20…….and however broadly one can interpret becoming a new man…..
 
Why would God need to be in a battle?
He's God, he can just decide to win.
 
Jesus claimed that his Father is the only true God......yet you believe a manmade doctrine over the words of Jesus.....whatever.
A claim is not evidence of the claim
Jesus never claimed to be God......it simply does not exist in scripture.
Actually as Jesus never wrote anything down we dont know if he did or didnt not that it is relevant either way
These sayings are said of both God and His Christ, for they both are one of a kind......God who is the Father and there's only One of Him......Jesus, being the Son of God, the prophesied Messiah and there's only One of Him. There is none like God as there is none other like the Christ.
There is none like Redbeer and none like Quag we are all indivuduals
 
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THE Bible says that although there are many who are viewed as gods, “there is actually to us one God the Father.” [1 Corinthians 8:5, 6]That “one God” is Jehovah, the Creator of all things. [Deuteronomy 6:4; Revelation 4:11] Jesus referred to him as “my God and your God.” [John 20:17] He agreed with Moses, who had earlier stated: “Jehovah is the true God; there is no other besides him.” (Deuteronomy 4:35) Jehovah is far superior to any objects of worship, such as idols, deified humans, or his enemy Satan the Devil, “the god of this system of things.” [2 Corinthians 4:3, 4] In contrast to all of these, Jehovah is, as Jesus called him, “the only true God.”
—John 17:3.
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I like this one.....it can't be much clearer:


(Rev 3:12) Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
 
Scripture tells us the Pharisees continually tried to get their hands on Jesus and wanted to stone him.

And why was that?

Because Jesus said he was God.

Like the Pharisees I believe him.
 
Scripture tells us the Pharisees continually tried to get their hands on Jesus and wanted to stone him.

And why was that?

Because Jesus said he was God.

Like the Pharisees I believe him.
Wouldn't be the 1st time someone has been falsely accused...Jesus never said that...the Pharisees did...

"The Jews answered “We are not stoning you in reference to a good work, but to a blasphemy and because you, being a man, are claiming to be God.” John 10:33

A few verses down Jesus made it very clear what the truth was...

"do you say of the one whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world ‘You are blaspheming’ because I said ‘I am God’s son’?" John 10:36

Even Satan himself knew better than to make such a false claim...

“If you are Son of God..." Matthew 4:3

“If you are Son of God..." Matthew 4:6
 
Wouldn't be the 1st time someone has been falsely accused...Jesus never said that...the Pharisees did...

"The Jews answered “We are not stoning you in reference to a good work, but to a blasphemy and because you, being a man, are claiming to be God.” John 10:33

A few verses down Jesus made it very clear what the truth was...

"do you say of the one whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world ‘You are blaspheming’ because I said ‘I am God’s son’?" John 10:36

Even Satan himself knew better than to make such a false claim...

“If you are Son of God..." Matthew 4:3

“If you are Son of God..." Matthew 4:6
I don’t believe Jesus to be a liar. The Pharisees and the people understood what Jesus said and that he was God.
 
2 Corinthians 11:4

4- For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
 
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