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Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the polls

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Eric Holder and everyone who works for him (and his boss, come to think of it) needs to go:

..The “Motor Voter” law was passed in 1993 to promote greater voter registration in the United States. It did this — most Americans now know from visits to the DMV — by requiring states to offer voter registration materials whenever someone had contact with a variety of state offices. These included welfare offices, social service agencies, and motor vehicle departments.

A lesser-known provision also obliged the states to ensure that no ineligible voters were on the rolls — including dead people, felons, and people who had moved. Our current Department of Justice is anxious to encourage the obligations to get everyone registered, but explicitly unwilling to enforce federal law requiring states to remove the dead or ineligible from the rolls.

In November 2009, the entire Voting Section was invited to a meeting with Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes, a political employee serving at the pleasure of the attorney general. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss Motor Voter enforcement decisions.

The room was packed with dozens of Voting Section employees when she made her announcement regarding the provisions related to voter list integrity:

We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law. It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.

Jaws dropped around the room.

... the cases the Justice Department has brought — or not brought — corroborate the account: the Department has not filed a single case under the Motor Voter provision where there are problems.

Are there problems with list integrity? Yes, but that’s a story for another article. Even worse than not bringing cases, the Holder Justice Department has dismissed a case against Missouri that the previous administration had started. In many places in Missouri, there are more voters than humans with a heartbeat old enough to vote. Instead of fully litigating the case to a favorable outcome, the DOJ made it go away, nicely, quietly, completely. Sound familiar? This Justice Department, in contrast, has “cherry picked” which parts of Motor Voter law they will enforce. You wouldn’t think it has anything to do with politics or the upcoming elections, would you?
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

Just fries a person, doesn't it? How absolutely ridiculous. What right does any agency have NOT TO ENFORCE THE LAW????? And to shamelessly ANNOUNCE it? This should be grounds for dismissal. For a complete investigation to see where this 'order' came from. Where is the press? Without them, we're screwed.

Apparently We the People have lost complete control. When our laws are enforced/not enforced on the whims of the current administration, we're in deep trouble.
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

Just fries a person, doesn't it? How absolutely ridiculous. What right does any agency have NOT TO ENFORCE THE LAW????? And to shamelessly ANNOUNCE it? This should be grounds for dismissal. For a complete investigation to see where this 'order' came from. Where is the press? Without them, we're screwed.

Apparently We the People have lost complete control. When our laws are enforced/not enforced on the whims of the current administration, we're in deep trouble.
This is my problem when asked to vote for a Democrat.
Obeying Laws is to my mind mandatory by those who are elected to office as well as the ordinary folk who live in this Country.
We cannot pick and choose which Laws we shall observe and which we shall not observe.
Unfortunately for the US, President Obama chooses to believe he and his appointed co-horts are above any law he does not approve of.
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

cpwill

Please provide a link to this story.
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

They're going to need all the dead voters they can get come Nov. The end justifies the means, I guess.
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

Just fries a person, doesn't it? How absolutely ridiculous. What right does any agency have NOT TO ENFORCE THE LAW????? And to shamelessly ANNOUNCE it?
um. see: Immigration, Laws Concerning, Current Enforcement Standard of
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

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Please provide a link to this story.
click on the word "go" in the first scentence :)
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

Eric Holder and everyone who works for him (and his boss, come to think of it) needs to go:

..The “Motor Voter” law was passed in 1993 to promote greater voter registration in the United States. It did this — most Americans now know from visits to the DMV — by requiring states to offer voter registration materials whenever someone had contact with a variety of state offices. These included welfare offices, social service agencies, and motor vehicle departments.

A lesser-known provision also obliged the states to ensure that no ineligible voters were on the rolls — including dead people, felons, and people who had moved. Our current Department of Justice is anxious to encourage the obligations to get everyone registered, but explicitly unwilling to enforce federal law requiring states to remove the dead or ineligible from the rolls.

In November 2009, the entire Voting Section was invited to a meeting with Deputy Assistant Attorney General Julie Fernandes, a political employee serving at the pleasure of the attorney general. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss Motor Voter enforcement decisions.

The room was packed with dozens of Voting Section employees when she made her announcement regarding the provisions related to voter list integrity:

We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law. It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.

Jaws dropped around the room.

... the cases the Justice Department has brought — or not brought — corroborate the account: the Department has not filed a single case under the Motor Voter provision where there are problems.

Are there problems with list integrity? Yes, but that’s a story for another article. Even worse than not bringing cases, the Holder Justice Department has dismissed a case against Missouri that the previous administration had started. In many places in Missouri, there are more voters than humans with a heartbeat old enough to vote. Instead of fully litigating the case to a favorable outcome, the DOJ made it go away, nicely, quietly, completely. Sound familiar? This Justice Department, in contrast, has “cherry picked” which parts of Motor Voter law they will enforce. You wouldn’t think it has anything to do with politics or the upcoming elections, would you?
interesting.......no link to suits brought by the bush admin.......and only this person's word that such staments were made.
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

interesting.......no link to suits brought by the bush admin.......and only this person's word that such staments were made.
interesting. no desire to deal with the fact that this administration is planning on deliberately refusing to enforce the law in order to increase fraudulent voting.

gee wiz, i wonder why they would do that?

Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Finds


:shrug: but feel free to search and browse: http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr182d2009.pdf

The superlative enforcement record of the Division over the past eight years also indicates that there is no doubt the Voting Section will pursue, investigate, and litigate any serious and unremedied violations of federal voting rights laws that it finds before, during or after the general election. For example, this Administration has filed more enforcement cases under Section 203 of the Voting Rights Act, the language minority provision, than in the entire previous 26-year history of the Act. The enforcement of this section of the Voting Rights Act, which guarantees that language minority voters will receive a ballot in their language in hundreds of jurisdictions around the country, was basically moribund during the previous Administration. Enforcement was completely reinvigorated when President Bush was elected - since 2001, the Division has filed more than double the number of enforcement cases than had ever been filed before, including the first suits ever filed on behalf of Filipino and Vietnamese Americans.

The same is true of Section 208 of the Voting Rights Act, which guarantees the right of a voter to receive assistance when he requires it. This is an especially important federal right on Election Day. Prior to this administration, only one lawsuit had ever been filed by the Voting Section to enforce the voting assistance guarantees of Section 208 - since 2001, the Division has filed eight lawsuits to enforce Section 208, including the first suit ever filed by the Justice Department on behalf of Haitian-Americans. This Administration has filed more lawsuits to enforce the National Voter Registration Act than were filed during the prior administration after the law first became effective in 1993.

...From 2001 to 2008, the Voting Section vigorously enforced the statutes that are entrusted to its care. Indeed, the 18 lawsuits filed in 2006 were double the average number of lawsuits filed annually in the previous 30 years....
 
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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

click on the word "go" in the first scentence :)
You have any reliable sources?
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

:roll: you have any response other than an ad sourcinem?


when reality is inconvenient, refuse to accept it, eh?
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

:roll: you have any response other than an ad sourcinem?


when reality is inconvenient, refuse to accept it, eh?
So you have ONE person saying this happened and you believe them why?

Why aren't there other sources for this?

Sorry, but YES, when only ONE source is saying this, it is indeed imperative to question whether or not this happened.
 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

So you have ONE person saying this happened and you believe them why?

Why aren't there other sources for this?

Sorry, but YES, when only ONE source is saying this, it is indeed imperative to question whether or not this happened.
Maybe the words from the horses mouth?

 

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Re: Voting Section at DOJ told not to enforce purging dead or ineligable from the pol

So you have ONE person saying this happened and you believe them why?
actually i've thus far seen three former prosecutors from that particular branch come out and tell pretty much the same story. to include sworn testimony before congress, and there has been an investigation launched, so we shall see where it leads.
 
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