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Vladimir Putin in Alaska

Rogue Valley

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Folks, Donald Trump has invited an indicted war criminal - Vladimir Putin - to meet him this Friday in Alaska. The supposed purpose is to see if Putin will agree to a cease-fire in Ukraine. The President of Ukraine, the country that was invaded by Putin in 2022 - Volodmyr Zelenskyy - was not invited to Alaska. Just Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin hobnobbing and together deciding on Ukraine's fate with no one there to speak up for Ukraine. Trump already knows Putin's demands. Russia's FM Sergey Lavrov published the Kremlin's demands on Jul 07, 2025 during an interview with the Hungarian publication Magyar Nemzet. "These provisions must be included in a legally binding agreement for peaceful settlement." stated the dour Lavrov.

To wit:
Lavrov said an end to the security threat posed to Russia by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's (NATO) expansion, including its potential inclusion of Ukraine, was essential. He demanded the demilitarization of Ukraine to ensure Kyiv's neutrality. Moscow's top diplomat also said his country wants protections for ethnic Russians and Russian culture in Ukraine, which he accused Kyiv of "destroying" since 2014. Lavrov demanded "international legal recognition of the new territorial realities," citing Russian occupation of Crimea, Sevastopol, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson. And Lavrov also called for "lifting sanctions on Russia, rescinding all lawsuits against Russia, and returning the illegally seized Western-based assets."​

In short, Russia is not penalized in an way for invading Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Ukraine must be "demilitarized". In other words Russia can re-arm itself, but Ukraine cannot field a military to protect itself from a new Russian invasion. Moscow has demanded a different government in Ukraine. No NATO membership or NATO assistence for Ukraine. Moscow gets to annex all Ukrainian territories it currently occupies/semi-occupies (about 20% of Ukraine) and the international community must recognize this thievery as legitimate. Russia pays no reparations to Ukraine. There has been no Russian response about repatriating the thousands of Ukrainian children the Russian military has kidnapped and deported to Russia. All sanctions on Russia must be removed. All lawsuits against Russia must be dropped. In short, everything for Russia.... and nothing except misery and defenselessness for Ukraine.

The above in its entirety is a "poison pill" list of Russian demands. Putin knows very well that Ukraine will never accept such outlandish demands. But KGB Lt. Colonel Vladimir Putin also knows that Donald Trump is a different animal. Putin knows that above all else during his second term as US president, Donald Trump covets a Nobel Peace Prize. In Alaska this Friday, Putin will tell Trump he will agree to a cease-fire if Russia's maximalist demands are accepted. Trump will swallow this Putin bait hook, line and sinker. He will accept Putin's demands and when Zelenskyy says No, Trump will blame Zelenskyy for the war continuing. Zelenskyy has informed Donald Trump more than once that he will never cede Ukrainian land to Russia. The Ukrainian Constitution also forbids doing so. This is why Zelenskyy was not invited to Alaska. Trump doesn't want to hear Zelenskyy throw cold water on his dreams for a Nobel. But mark my words, Donald Trump will stab Ukraine in the back in the belief that doing so will end the war and he can collect his coveted Peace Prize. Zelenskyy matters not. The EU matters not. All that matters to Trump is a surefire way to satisfy his gargantuan ego. That any US president would so transparently stab an ally in the back should be cause for great concern, both domestically and in foreign capitals.

P.S. Putin in Alaska, similar to sending the National Guard into D.C., is another way for Trump to distract the public from his persistent Jeffrey Epstein problems and break the month old Epstein news cycle.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Folks, Donald Trump has invited an indicted war criminal - Vladimir Putin - to meet him this Friday in Alaska. The supposed purpose is to see if Putin will agree to a cease-fire in Ukraine. The President of Ukraine, the country that was invaded by Putin in 2022 - Volodmyr Zelenskyy - was not invited to Alaska. Just Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin hobnobbing and together deciding on Ukraine's fate with no one there to speak up for Ukraine. Trump already knows Putin's demands. Russia's FM Sergey Lavrov published the Kremlin's demands on Jul 07, 2025 during an interview with the Hungarian publication Magyar Nemzet. "These provisions must be included in a legally binding agreement for peaceful settlement." stated the dour Lavrov.

To wit:
Lavrov said an end to the security threat posed to Russia by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's (NATO) expansion, including its potential inclusion of Ukraine, was essential. He demanded the demilitarization of Ukraine to ensure Kyiv's neutrality. Moscow's top diplomat also said his country wants protections for ethnic Russians and Russian culture in Ukraine, which he accused Kyiv of "destroying" since 2014. Lavrov demanded "international legal recognition of the new territorial realities," citing Russian occupation of Crimea, Sevastopol, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson. And Lavrov also called for "lifting sanctions on Russia, rescinding all lawsuits against Russia, and returning the illegally seized Western-based assets."​

In short, Russia is not penalized in an way for invading Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Ukraine must be "demilitarized". In other words Russia can re-arm itself, but Ukraine cannot field a military to protect itself from a new Russian invasion. Moscow has demanded a different government in Ukraine. No NATO membership or NATO assistence for Ukraine. Moscow gets to annex all Ukrainian territories it currently occupies/semi-occupies (about 20% of Ukraine) and the international community must recognize this thievery as legitimate. Russia pays no reparations to Ukraine. There has been no Russian response about repatriating the thousands of Ukrainian children the Russian military has kidnapped and deported to Russia. All sanctions on Russia must be removed. All lawsuits against Russia must be dropped. In short, everything for Russia.... and nothing except misery and defenselessness for Ukraine.

The above in its entirety is a "poison pill" list of Russian demands. Putin knows very well that Ukraine will never accept such outlandish demands. But KGB Lt. Colonel Vladimir Putin also knows that Donald Trump is a different animal. Putin knows that above all else during his second term as US president, Donald Trump covets a Nobel Peace Prize. In Alaska this Friday, Putin will tell Trump he will agree to a cease-fire if Russia's maximalist demands are accepted. Trump will swallow this Putin bait hook, line and sinker. He will accept Putin's demands and when Zelenskyy says No, Trump will blame Zelenskyy for the war continuing. Zelenskyy has informed Donald Trump more than once that he will never cede Ukrainian land to Russia. The Ukrainian Constitution also forbids doing so. This is why Zelenskyy was not invited to Alaska. Trump doesn't want to hear Zelenskyy throw cold water on his dreams for a Nobel. But mark my words, Donald Trump will stab Ukraine in the back in the belief that doing so will end the war and he can collect his coveted Peace Prize. Zelenskyy matters not. The EU matters not. All that matters to Trump is a surefire way to satisfy his gargantuan ego. That any US president would so transparently stab an ally in the back should be cause for great concern, both domestically and in foreign capitals.

P.S. Putin in Alaska, similar to sending the National Guard into D.C., is another way for Trump to distract the public from his persistent Jeffrey Epstein problems and break the month old Epstein news cycle.
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The United States has happily brought a wanted war criminal in Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress and meet with the President more than once. Are we supposed to be surprised?

Making diplomatic demands that we know the Russians won’t follow in the first place is not good negotiating tactics.

And the US has never had an issue with stabbing allies in the back, as what happened to the Kurds over… and over… and over.. and over again shows.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Putin and much of his support regard Alaska as stolen Russia.
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Really?
The Russians sold it to the USA in the 1860s(?).
I think they needed the money because they were in a war with someone.
However, Trump may want to re-sell Alaskan mineral rights back to Russia if Putin will be his friend.
 
Parker_Chess said:
You can't negotiate peace with only one party involved. If he really wants peace, he would have invited Zelensky to Alaska as well.
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Trump wants to project himself on the world stage as a strong, very, very, very powerful dealmaker.
Rather than the orange buffoon he his perceived to be.
He believes his great strenghthiness will carry the day.
 
This will also support Putin's claim that Ukraine is not a real country, and the war is not with Ukraine but with the West, and thus it doesn't matter what Kyiv thinks, they are not real, just Russians who has been deceived they are not Russians, which will be corrected as soon as Putin's new order is in place. I wonder if they will paint a line over the map of Europe and divide the Continent between them?

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Tigerace117 said:
The United States has happily brought a wanted war criminal in Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress and meet with the President more than once. Are we supposed to be surprised?

Making diplomatic demands that we know the Russians won’t follow in the first place is not good negotiating tactics.

And the US has never had an issue with stabbing allies in the back, as what happened to the Kurds over… and over… and over.. and over again shows.
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So your cool with bringing war criminals to the US as guests.
 
Correction: Trump is meeting Putin in Russia.

As he said in his press conference yesterday.
 
Rogue Valley said:
P.S. Putin in Alaska, similar to sending the National Guard into D.C., is another way for Trump to distract the public from his persistent Jeffrey Epstein problems and break the month old Epstein news cycle.
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Notice that for Trump, Zelensky is always "Zelensky," while Putin is "Vladimir."
 
And now, a trip on the wayback machine:

“Before I even arrive at the Oval Office, shortly after we all together win the presidency, we will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled. It will be settled. The war is going to be settled. I’ll get them both. I know Zelensky, I know Putin. It’ll be done within 24 hours, you watch.”
— Donald Trump, remarks at a campaign rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, July 29, 2023
“Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations toward a Ceasefire and, more importantly, an END to the War. The conditions for that will be negotiated between the two parties, as it can only be, because they know details of a negotiation that nobody else would be aware of.”
— President Trump, in a social media post, May 19, 2025
 
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