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Violence, we hear about it everyday on the news. Its there, its real and we as armed individuals sometimes must play that game. I came across this article and found the authors take on it very insightful. I think there is a lot to think about as it pertains to Self defensive and our own ability to bring violence to the table to meet an attacker. IMO if have made the decision to carry a gun, you should also make the decision to bring violence down on your attacker. Thoughts??Violence is Golden
By Jack Donovan On March 15, 2011
A lot of people like to think they are “non-violent.” Generally, people claim to “abhor” the use of violence, and violence is viewed negatively by most folks. Many fail to differentiate between just and unjust violence. Some especially vain, self-righteous types like to think they have risen above the nasty, violent cultures of their ancestors. They say that “violence isn't the answer.” They say that “violence doesn't solve anything.”
They’re wrong. Every one of them relies on violence, every single day.
On election day, people from all walks of life line up to cast their ballots, and by doing so, they hope to influence who gets to wield the axe of authority. Those who want to end violence — as if that were possible or even desirable — often seek to disarm their fellow citizens. This does not actually end violence. It merely gives the state mob a monopoly on violence. This makes you “safer,” so long as you don’t piss off the boss.
All governments — left, right or other — are by their very nature coercive. They have to be.
Order demands violence.
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Spot on. The fact is that violence is not preferable to peace, but there is a time where violence may be the only option. Those who proclaim that all violence is to be avoided fail to realize sometimes it cannot be, there are times where self defense and defense of others becomes necessary, the aggressor sure doesn't have a problem with initiating force, and will not have a problem with continuing or even elevating force to meet their desired result, one must be willing to meet that violent force with necessary counter force.Violence, we hear about it everyday on the news. Its there, its real and we as armed individuals sometimes must play that game. I came across this article and found the authors take on it very insightful. I think there is a lot to think about as it pertains to Self defensive and our own ability to bring violence to the table to meet an attacker. IMO if have made the decision to carry a gun, you should also make the decision to bring violence down on your attacker. Thoughts??
Violence, we hear about it everyday on the news. Its there, its real and we as armed individuals sometimes must play that game. I came across this article and found the authors take on it very insightful. I think there is a lot to think about as it pertains to Self defensive and our own ability to bring violence to the table to meet an attacker. IMO if have made the decision to carry a gun, you should also make the decision to bring violence down on your attacker. Thoughts??
I go to firearms shops and areas in sporting goods stores often, there are usually interesting conversations to be had. In those conversations the consensus is always that we hope the firearm we purchased is only ever needed for target practice, but we realize that bad things happen, we don't want to harm anyone, but will to protect ourselves, our loved ones, or even that stranger who is in a life and death situation within ear shot. We don't want to be violent, but will engage if forced to by the malicious actions of others.Hence, the value of the Second Amendment.
Yikes.
Do you people all live in Somalia?
Nope.....South Side of Chicago. Home of the Democratic blend of Violence. :lol:
Violence, we hear about it everyday on the news. Its there, its real and we as armed individuals sometimes must play that game. I came across this article and found the authors take on it very insightful. I think there is a lot to think about as it pertains to Self defensive and our own ability to bring violence to the table to meet an attacker. IMO if have made the decision to carry a gun, you should also make the decision to bring violence down on your attacker. Thoughts??
Yikes.
Do you people all live in Somalia?
Well, I'm not naive and nobody mistrusts government more than I but I learned different lessons growing up.
Might be just a real estate thing- location, location, location!
So if someone kicks in your door? You just going to cower or fight?
What lessons did you learn?
Quickest way to find out, laddybuck, is to come and try it.
Got absolutely nothing to do with the topic, but go ahead, indulge yourself. I'll trade threats of personal violence with you for a post or two but my patience will run out quickly and I'll bail on you.
Well, I'm not naive and nobody mistrusts government more than I but I learned different lessons growing up.
Might be just a real estate thing- location, location, location!
Calm down bad man, it was just a question.
(snicker!)
You tell me, what reaction do you have when asked a question like that?
The force of government is commonly cloaked and adorned in lofty words and well-dressed philosophies, like the velvet glove around the iron fist... but the iron fist is still there, and it still gets used.
When somebody whups your ass within an inch of your life, the fact that they had a badge and a reason may make it legal, but it does not change the fact that violence was used.
Every piece of legislation is saying "we commend the use of force to make this so".
Even parking tickets are force. Accumulate enough unpaid ones, and ignore the notices in your mailbox long enough, and a warrant will be issued for your arrest. Ignore THAT, and armed men will be sent 'round to your abode to collect you and bring you in. If you decline to accompany the nice armed gentlemen, they will use force to compel you. If you resist, that force will escalate into serious violence.... resist successfully enough and they will kill you.
And that all started over parking tickets...
Long subject. Many, I hope, but none of them leads to the phrase, 'Order demands violence.'
Mostly, order is a matter of mutual consent. Violence creates disorder.
Yeah, but you're describing the breakdown of order. Order, as I said, is a matter of mutual consent and when one side reneges or removes it's consent from the equation, order breaks down and violence ensues.
Long subject. Many, I hope, but none of them leads to the phrase, 'Order demands violence.'
Mostly, order is a matter of mutual consent. Violence creates disorder.
And what is the purpose of that violence? To restore order.
(grin!)
Depends which side is which!
But I take your point. Authority sometimes has to resort to violence but isn't that a result (in any decent society) of someone committing some form of assault on the common good? Hopefully your parking-ticket scenario couldn't happen but if it did I'd call it a failure of the system. Generally, the system of 'order by mutual consent' works fine.
(grin!)
Depends which side is which!
But I take your point. Authority sometimes has to resort to violence but isn't that a result (in any decent society) of someone committing some form of assault on the common good? Hopefully your parking-ticket scenario couldn't happen but if it did I'd call it a failure of the system. Generally, the system of 'order by mutual consent' works fine.
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