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Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque


Yes, it is a privilege to want to be protected from your mosque being vandalized. How dare they.
 
I am a Jew. So I hate myself Dan?

I have no idea why you haven't thrown yourself into an oven. How dare you, Jew. But make sure its a gas oven because it heats more evenly.
 
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Right I understand your point. My uncle who is a former Green Beret and I have talked about it before. Part of the problem is that we civilians know more about the death of either our soldiers or innocents from the media and we put pressure on our representatives to do something about it. Now I am not saying that this is the correct way to do things, but this is the situation we are in. I just don't think we have found the right place in balancing everything with this changing world we have.
 

I had no idea you were so close to Iranian intricacies. You and I should have talked more.


You are right to blame the Mullahs and the Iranian Majlis. Islam is a faceless default for many. It's a religion. It's basic teachings actually glorifies the American experience. The ironic thing is that even though our enemy today is largely a Sunni base (Saud family allegiance), it is the original Sunni base (Rightfully Guided Caliphs) that prescribe democracy while the Shia base (Iran) prescribes monarchy.

The bigger the confusion civilians and Washington has, as to who and what the enemy is, the harder it is for the average military grunt in the field facing them has to coming to a solid personal goal. This has become my secondary job. Not yet have I heard one single politician or media whore produce truth. Even Bush, with his absolute dimwittedness, had enough knowledge to preach that "Islam is not our enemy" in his speeches about terrorism.
 
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Yes, it is a privilege to want to be protected from your mosque being vandalized. How dare they.

Who damaged the Equipment at teh Mosque Dan. Tell us, have they caught the folks? Found a motive?
 
Who damaged the Equipment at teh Mosque Dan. Tell us, have they caught the folks? Found a motive?

If we find out it was not not a Christian or someone on the right, it will become a non story.
Did you see how the Al Gore Inconvenient Truth, fans story died immediately after they read his manifesto?
If this arsonist, vandal happens to listen to Rush, Hannity or Beck we'll never hear the end of it
 
Like you I am a soldier.

Well I'm not a soldier. I'm a Marine, but I get your meaning.



You are bitter. Many of us are after all of this. I don't know your experience through today's enemy, but I can guarantee you that if I am able to maintain a positive health about this you can too. From Somalia to two tours in Iraq I am able to still believe that our enemies are distinctive and separate from the vast majority. I've actually had to be exonerated for a mistake against this enemy so..... if I am able to transcend the media and politician's rhetoric you can too.

I absolutely believe that we have to step back and recognize that we are greater than an enemies goal. Islam's "rule" ended with Western "imperielism." I place that word into parenthesis because I believe it is unfair considering that the west (Christian world) was merely taking back lost land after Islamic explosion and expansion. There is no future for Islamic Shar'ia as Bashir or the Tali-Ban know it. Even the House of Saud dismisses it when it inconvenineces their securities. The "Al-Quedas" are on borrowed desperate time. They know it but refuse to acknowledge it because their adherence has no social or economic opportunity to dissuade them otherwise. It's a success in Iraq that will prove to be the counterpunch to our enemies vision as to how to achieve what we already have. This region's Muslims have been seeking democracy since European colonialism. They are are all watching Iraq today. They have to succeed or we are in the ****.

The reason so many liberal voices for change within Islam are jailed in Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and even Iran is that it threatens the power of the elite who prefer economical power over the peasant through false religious masques. It's only the radicals and extremists who preach about Shar'ia because it is a default that counters the economic desparity between elite and peasant. The extreme few who actually believe in Shar'ia, as a religious cultural organization of people, are getting their asses handed to them all over the world. This is not the American Muslim.
 
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The greatest generation knew exactly what they were doing when they placed Japanese Americans in internment camps. We have lost our collective kahones. We are spinless and our enemies know this. They are laughing at us because we are so weak.

You don't earn the Thomas Jefferson quote you use in your signature. You say you support freedom in your signature quote, but you support the internment of innocent Americans in the same breath.

You're either for freedom or against it. If you're against freedom for innocent people of any stripe, then you're against freedom period.
 

Also, most Americans have no idea what bitter enemies the Sunnis and Shias are. The Iran-Iraq war, that ended up killing so many millions, was fought just as much over religious lines as secular ones too, although Saddam's designs on Kharg Island, and it's strategic location, did have much to do with it too. But religion did play a part in the indoctrination on both sides.

And, actually, the Shia branch of Islam is divided into 3 sub branches. An analogy here is the Christian Church, which is divided into Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant, with protestants further divided into sub branches. The politics is quite complicated, but stems from Shias renouncing the first 3 Caliphs after Muhammad, on the basis that Muhammad's son, Ali, is the only rightful successor to Mohammad. And you are right about the monarchy angle. Shias believe that the Caliphs are given kinglike power because they are all descended from Muhammad, which essentially makes them prophets with the power to rule over all. These differences betwen Sunnis and Shias may sound trivial to most Americans, but have ignited many wars that have resulted in many millions of deaths. There is some real hate here. Something similar happened in the Christian church, and was called the Inquisition, but somehow, Christians got past their schism, but it seems that the hatred between these 2 Islamic sects is just as strong today as it was when they first split apart more than a millennium ago.

And the intolerance is much worse among the Shias, who are still in the "Salem Witchcraft Trials" stage of their development. My former boss and friend is Kamal Khanjani. His brother was part of the Iranian national Baha'i' leadership. His name is Jamal Khanjani. His crime was Insulting Islam. He was originally charged with blowing up a mosque in Iran, killing scores of people in the process, but to have done that would have meant going against everything he believes in, which he would never do. You can witness that he holds fast to his beliefs because, during his trial, he refused to renounce his religion. He was looking at a death sentence at one point, but because of pressure by the State Department, and the world community in general, he only got 20 years. He will die in prison, though. As for the mosque that was bombed, it turns out that someone in the Iranian army did it, and many people speculate that the Mullahs ordered it done so that they could pin it in Jamal and the others. That way, they could be executed without that much backlash. The Mullahs really are that evil.

As for Kamal, he managed to come to the United States in the late 1980's, and escaped the persecution that many Baha'i's in Iran endure. He owned a factory there. That, his home, and everything else he owned, was confiscated by the Iranian government. He arrived with only the clothes on his back. He worked hard, starting the company that I have worked at for the last 17 years, became a US citizen, did things that should make America proud, but to this very day he is still told to go home to Iran, is still called a sand nigger quite frequently, and one time a police officer threatened to beat him up and put him in jail, because he did not turn a corner fast enough. He was waiting for other cars to clear the intersection, otherwise he would have gotten into an accident, and people would have been hurt. The officer had his siren on, and was going to the scene of a crime, but stopped Kamal for driving too slow when he was making his turn. He called Kamal a rag head, and then threatened him. I personally filed a report with the FBI office here in Houston. I was never told what happened after that, but I am sure that the officer had hell to pay for what he did.

Now I think you understand why this kind of hatred is such an issue with me, and why I am quite emotional about it, especially in light of what happened last week to Kamal's brother. Like I said earlier in the thread, I have seen this kind of hatred with my own eyes, and as an American citizen, it is my duty to fight against it, and uphold what the Constitution stands for, even if it is something as mundane as posting in a political internet forum. After all, if this kind of treatment can happen to Muslims in America, then it could, at one time or another, happen to any of us. Supporting the rights of these Muslims is not supporting terrorists, but supporting America, and everything she stands for.

Thanx for listening, and thanx for talking.
 
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Islam is not a problem in the U.S. It is a problem in the Middle East and exponentially growing in Europe. You have to step back and look at these matters more clearly bro.

The problem is, moderate Muslims don't police their own. When push comes to shove, the majority of the time they will side with a fellow Muslim, even if they say he's on the fringe. We get nominal support from them when they see their personal future as bleak.

I would have no problem living peacefully with Islam if they would handle their ****ed up jobs. But they won't. They leave them to us and make it our problem.

As far as I'm concerned, if they won't solve the problem, they ARE the problem.
 

Im sorry...dont you mean "this should be investigated and if found to be a hate crime should be prosecuted as such? Cuz...if it turns out it was arson for the sake of insurance, or burning a few pieces of equipment to try and make others look bad...that wont be a hate crime. Until they know..its a little premature to engage in prejudice, isnt it?
 

There is an aspect of truth to this as well. However, our politicians and media aren't too interested in giving the moderate voices a microphone. They are far more interested in focusing on the radical voices, which secure their votes and dollars. The Right seeks the radical to legitmize their preachings and the Left ignores the issue entirely. Egypt is full of moderate voices and their numbers have risen exponentially since 2003. Did you know that President Bush put a hold on Egypt's annual financial aid in 2004 until they released a leading moderate voice from their prisons for merely speaking out against Islamic oppression and control?

It's happening. Our media just can't find a way to make a buck over it so they ignore it.
 
Well I'm not a soldier. I'm a Marine, but I get your meaning.

I know you guys hate to be called soldiers. You should petition the folks at Marine | Define Marine at Dictionary.com and Dictionary - Definition of marine

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I don't mean to be a dick about it, but as much as you may not like to be called a soldier. You are a soldier. Virtually every dictionary defines a marine as a soldier.


I am bitter, and full of hate. Afterall hate is a normal human emotion and anyone who tells you they do not or never have felt the emotion hate is either lying or in denial.

I hope you are right and I am wrong about the American Muslim.

Have a good labor day Marine. And thankyou for serving our country.
 

When it comes to being super hero of Islam PC man, it's never too soon for Dan to engage in bigotry.
 
When it comes to being super hero of Islam PC man, it's never too soon for Dan to engage in bigotry.

How do you see someone saying, "This was likely done by someone anti-Islamic" as being "bigotry"?

I find that preposterous.

Perhaps that's wrong, but it's the most likely occurrence.

I mean, **** man, you don't even live here. Some of us do. Some of us know the atmosphere here and have a little more insight to the situation than you do.

But you deign to know better than we do. It's not a guarantee, but it IS the more likely occurrence.

It's like I said in the thread reporting this: it's most likely a bunch of dumbass punk kids who did it. But they most likely did it because they felt inspired by a very anti-Islamic environment in the area right now.

If that's wrong, then it's wrong. But it's not bigoted. So if a swastika is painted on a synagogue, I'm supposed to first assume that it's the Jews who did it and not assume that it's someone who was anti-Jewish?
 
The ugly truth is that it has become politically correct on main street in America to be anything but a Christian. And other belief systems are being promoted by the state, in a sort of moral affirmative action movement. Make no mistake, the agenda isn't to free people from having Christianity shoved down their throat, its to get rid of it all together.
 

However, I seem to remember some good Christians back in the day:



Killed themselves four little black girls.

And don't forget that Christian Identity movement:



What country were those Christians from??
 


 

Great post, Dan. Awesome!

It's a shame that the first couple of responses sounded like they were filled with the vile ugly anger taking hold of this country.

We can only hope that these bigoted fearful people are just a loud minority and not a true representation of the character of this nation.

Thank God for the true American Christians in Tenn.
 

Just like the Washington sniper was most likely a white man? Just like the trashing of a DNC office was most likely done by a republican?

The simple fact is we dont know. And when the truth comes out...WHOEVER did it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But until you KNOW...you are simply laying on your back pissing in the air. Oh...but it IS fun to throw in all the attacks on Christians in the process isnt it, you bunch of purely tolerant unbiased liberal minded folk...
 
Yeah John. That's exactly what I said. :roll:

And click on "My Profile" then click on "Edit Profile" and scroll down to the bottom to "political leaning" and make yourself honest.

Go to "My Life" then click on "Get a life" then see if you can find one. Can't find that option? Pity. Most of us can. I wasn't responding to you I was responding to the story.
 

We have no idea who started this fire, or why. Dan has taken a small fire that damaged little and compared it to the 1960's civil rights era of massive coordinated oppression by the KKK and other groups.

I'm mocking him for his hyper-drama and his jump to conclusion. Until the perp is caught, and the motivation revealed, we ain't a clue what happened. We can speculate, but he's all ready reached a verdict and has been on this jihad against America at every incident of possible "hate" towards muslims. Evidence or facts not required. So spare me "**** man do you even live here" crap. Yeah, San Antonio Texas, and guess what? PEOPLE LIKE YOU are panicking. CALM THE **** DOWN EH?
 

Oh, here is the Christian victim card, again. Wah! We're only 85% of the population. Stop picking on us. Wah!

Look, I'm a member of the Episcopal Church. You are not under attack. Trying to be nice and obey the 1st Amendment which says all Americans are free to practice the religion of their choice isn't politically correct. It's at the very core of this nation's purpose for existing.

What's anti-American is burning down someone else's place of worship or trying to prevent it from being built.

I can't believe that in a thread about a mosque construction site being burned, you'd come in and wah-wah for the poor Christians. It's been a long time since anyone put us before the lions. We're predominantly in control. Playing the victim card is weak and pathetic. Especially because it's not true.
 

Once you shake off your disbelief...ask yourself what seies of events in this thread would CAUSE someone to even mention Christianity. IN a thread about an apparent arson attack committed by an unknown arsonist for reasons heretofore unknown as the police investigation is ongoing, just who made what accusations. And what does it say about the kind of asshole that would do that?

Oh...I know...I know...its FUN to put your prejudice on display...and you get to show how wonderful and progressive you are in the process...but until we KNOW something its all just bigoted speculation, now isnt it...and again...what kind of biased asshole would DO that?

I dont think I have seen ANYONE here say 'hey...if they are of one persuasion or another, give em a fre pass...after all...like the morons that defend the Palestinian terror attacks...you have to be sympathetic to people that took the terror actions of Muslims personally". Nope...every person I have seen posting here has been pretty consistent. Do the investigation and IF it turns out to be some zealot, then nail him to the wall. Likewise if it turns out to be someone trying to divert attention or curry favor and sympathy, then nail THEIR ass to the wall. But the key...first and foremost...find out who actually did WHAT before you slam the nails into anyone.
 
Who damaged the Equipment at teh Mosque Dan. Tell us, have they caught the folks? Found a motive?

Didn't you know? Its the evil Christians. We don't have proof but Dan doesn't wait for trivial details like that.

I wonder if he is going to claim like he did with me that you believe all Muslims are terrorists. He never responded when I challenged his false claims.
 
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