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Vietnam Veterans

Who declared war in the case of Vietnam, and who declared war in the case of Korea?

That’s your answer for the different circumstances.

Nobody declared war in either instance.

We did, however, have Congressional approval to use force in Vietnam. Not so in Korea.
 
Nobody declared war in either instance.

We did, however, have Congressional approval to use force in Vietnam. Not so in Korea.

You are ignoring the role of the United Nations in Korea, and the conditions that resulted in the partition of the peninsula.
 
Crap strategy or not, George Kennan's theory of containment dominated the post WWII era. And that answers your "why" question.

As for driving North Vietnam into the arms of the Chinese, that was never going to happen. After a thousand years of Chinese belligerence and Viet resistance the North Vietnamese would accept aide from them and that's it. When relations soured between the Chinese and the Soviets the Chinese turned their aspirations toward the Khmer Rouge. The Soviets were the North's chief allies and long time established friends. And almost immediately following the reunification China and Vietnam fought at least two major border skirmishes.

Indeed, I suppose Cambodia owes a debt to the reunited Vietnam for ridding the country of the homicidal Chinese sponsored Khmer Rouge by invasion and occupation.
 
What’s yours?

North Vietnam won the civil war, united the country, and is now a trading partner of the U.S. — all without posing a threat to our country.

So why go into Korea and not Vietnam? South Korea preserved their independence, became a thriving economy, and is a vital US ally. Surely these were objectives worth seeking in Vietnam as well?
 
So why go into Korea and not Vietnam? South Korea preserved their independence, became a thriving economy, and is a vital US ally. Surely these were objectives worth seeking in Vietnam as well?

Please refer to the UN events of the time.

I’m out when historical facts are consciously ignored.
 
Please refer to the UN events of the time.

I’m out when historical facts are consciously ignored.

I'm not ignoring them. South Korea wasn't a UN member at the time... so how was the UN action valid?

In either case, surely you'd agree a direct Congressional Use of Force authorization carries more weight than a UN Security Council Resolution where it comes to committing US Armed Forces to combat.
 
So why go into Korea and not Vietnam? South Korea preserved their independence, became a thriving economy, and is a vital US ally. Surely these were objectives worth seeking in Vietnam as well?
South Korea was a corrupt, vicious dictatorship for the first forty years of its existence.
 
Precisely. Eliminate the dense underbrush and thick forest and the battlefield becomes much more favorable for blue forces.
Except Agent Orange failed utterly to force Vietnamese civilians to support the corrupt dictatorship foreign occupiers were propping up.
 
I've read plenty on the Korean War. I know the nature of the conflict was very different, but the underlying principle is the same - we intervened to keep a Northern aggressor from swallowing up our Southern ally.
Nobody in South Vietnam saw the U.S. backed regime as remotely legitimate, which is why no government there lasted more than a few years before utterly collapsing.
 
Anyone recall the song "Ballad of the Green Beret"? it was played often on radio rock programs. Sad. and silly that radio played it.
 
Anyone recall the song "Ballad of the Green Beret"? it was played often on radio rock programs. Sad. and silly that radio played it.
Oh, yeah. I remember.

It was a counter point to most of the other songs that got air play back in the day.
 
Anyone recall the song "Ballad of the Green Beret"? it was played often on radio rock programs. Sad. and silly that radio played it.
The singer/composer, Barry Sadler, has said he’s sorry he wrote the song.
 
Except Agent Orange failed utterly to force Vietnamese civilians to support the corrupt dictatorship foreign occupiers were propping up.

As opposed to whom? Ho Chi Minh's regime? His 1950's land reform program killed upwards of 200,000 people.
 
As opposed to whom? Ho Chi Minh's regime? His 1950's land reform program killed upwards of 200,000 people.
And yet nobody in South Vietnam had any true loyalty to any the regimes propped up by foreign bayonets, as the rapid collapse of South Vietnam demonstrates
 
Compared to literally any other regime, yes. Rhee’s regime killed thousands of their own troops through sheer corruption.

Rhee obviously left a lot to be desired.... but you need only to see where North & South Korea are today to see which chose the better road.
 
Rhee obviously left a lot to be desired.... but you need only to see where North & South Korea are today to see which chose the better road.
Rhee’s successors for decades onwards were every bit as corrupt and tyrannical.

There was a coup attempt in South Korea only a year ago.
 
And yet nobody in South Vietnam had any true loyalty to any the regimes propped up by foreign bayonets, as the rapid collapse of South Vietnam demonstrates

Hindsight is 20/20. There was no telling going in whether strong leadership would take over in Saigon.

That'd be like waiting for Napoleon to emerge before starting the French Revolution.
 
Rhee’s successors for decades onwards were every bit as corrupt and tyrannical.

There was a coup attempt in South Korea only a year ago.

But hey... at least the people aren't eating grubs. So there's that.
 
Hindsight is 20/20. There was no telling going in whether strong leadership would take over in Saigon.

That'd be like waiting for Napoleon to emerge before starting the French Revolution.
South Vietnam had a coup practically every three years of its existence. No stable state institutions were ever created, because it was fundamentally a foreign colonial puppet the entire time, and, like all colonial overlords, the U.S. didn’t give a shit about that.
 
But hey... at least the people aren't eating grubs. So there's that.
But hey— the profits kept flowing into America, so clearly the U.S. didn’t see an issue with brutal tyrants oppressing the people of South Korea.

As usual.
 

Yes, well, I guess it's unfortunate they didn't find their own Park Chung Hee.
 
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