maybe america can learn something from it?but probely not
I read a book once written by a man in South Vietnam that was put into a reeducation camp after America left. I can't remember the name of the book but believe me they were certainly not into human rights then.
I don't quite follow? why would it be against peoples interests to distrupt this kind of growth?
And is vietnam mostly irrelivent to most americans here ? just curious if we have made any impact on the global stage in your opinions
I meant does vietnam have any impact on the global stage from your viewpoint, and I don't think all the changes in the country are making it more democractic nearly every election I have seen and voted in are democratic, fair, lawful and done in a very safe manner. it's considered a successes for the people.
By that logic, we should forgive the Nazis as well.
There long dead, gone. Feel free to hate them all you want, no big thing. But I prefer to live in today and not yesterday. What has today's Vietnam done to make them our enemy? To cause us to hate them? Nothing really outside of moving toward Capitalism while we steadily move the other way. I have nothing against Vietnam's present day leaders because they aren't yesterdays leaders and I sure do not have anything against the Vietnamese people.
So what is your solution? Just ignore the country as if they didn't exist as we did until the late 90's? What did that accomplish? It sure wasn't helping free those prisoners. Perhaps closer and friendlier relations might. One never knows but we do know what didn't work and perhaps it was time to try something new. I know in the geopolitical situation in that part of the world it is much better for the U.S. to have Vietnam as an ally than as an enemy. Having friends is always better than having enemies. Then perhaps through discussions with the new leaders we can come to an accord on the prisoners and get them set free. Doing nothing or what we had been doing only lets them languish in their prison cells.
The eradication of Communism. It's not rocket science
The eradication of Communism. It's not rocket science
You want to eradicate all communism...? that seems just as extreme if not more extreme then having political prisoners years ago. do you wish to eradicate me as well? My country does NOT have the best background in the world no. but I posted this because it is making huge steps to become something more, when I was living in my country me and the majority of the people I know were happy with the current state of things and the way things were going. Communism is not evil not at all but many of the world leaders esp russia twisted it and made it seem evil.
typically, the party that benefits simply consumes the benefit instead of turning it into production; in russia that is clear as day and it's one of the reasons it failed. Vietnam is not just enjoying the benefits they are really really making efforts to better our lives and do good on the world stage
And also you obviously only have a very simple idea of what is ACTUALLY going on and the way our government works. which I don't hate you for I am confused about this "Democracy" which sounds more like a democratic republic when people explain it to me
Actually we may be closer to communism than Vietnam as they continue to move away from it.
We are no near a classes society
You want to eradicate all communism...? that seems just as extreme if not more extreme then having political prisoners years ago. do you wish to eradicate me as well? My country does NOT have the best background in the world no. but I posted this because it is making huge steps to become something more, when I was living in my country me and the majority of the people I know were happy with the current state of things and the way things were going. Communism is not evil not at all but many of the world leaders esp russia twisted it and made it seem evil.
typically, the party that benefits simply consumes the benefit instead of turning it into production; in russia that is clear as day and it's one of the reasons it failed. Vietnam is not just enjoying the benefits they are really really making efforts to better our lives and do good on the world stage
And also you obviously only have a very simple idea of what is ACTUALLY going on and the way our government works. which I don't hate you for I am confused about this "Democracy" which sounds more like a democratic republic when people explain it to me
What you brought us in the op appears to be a positive development.
Actually we may be closer to communism than Vietnam as they continue to move away from it.
We are headed that way with our Communist president.
This certainly includes Obama but the trend precedes him and will only get worse after him and its all the fault of partisans.
Another partisan statement. Communists you know are about restricting liberties (amongst other nasty things) and violating human rights. One more time, a Reagan nominee for SCOTUS, Sandra Day O'Conner said of Bush's warrantless (read: illegal) wiretapping equated to the US degenerating into dictatorship. Obama is Bush on steroids, true. But this trend is only going to worsen unless partisans stop blindly supporting their party and be constitutionalists and Americans, first!
Bush tapped OVERSEAS phone calls, TO and FROM terrorist sponsoring countries. Let's at least stick to the facts.
That's suppose to make illegal wire taps ok?
Nope! Just clarifying the facts.
Your clarification is not at odds with what I posted, that's good, and we agree that your clarification doesn't excuse Bush's illegal wire taps, and that's better.
You left room for the assumprion that Bush was illegally wire tapping anyone. What was doing was bypassing the FISA court because the judges stopped approving warrants.
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