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Can you imagine the conversation in this thread if there wasn't a video?
Oh. That's right. It wouldn't be news because 'cop shoots resisting black man' isn't anything special. And they all claim they were not resisting or doing anything.
I am only surprised that no one has called Jones a "thug" yet.
Oh yes, I remember the good old days when you pulled into a service station and there were three station attendants pumping the gas, checking your oil, checking your tire preasure and cleaning your windshield and you never had to get out of your car.
If you don't remember either you're suffering from dementia or you're to inexperiance in life, just not old enough to have experiance what America use to be like.
It was back when a cop could pull over someone without fearing being shot.
Some states don't allow you to pump your own gas. Apparently they think people will blow themselves up. :lamo
Can you imagine the conversation in this thread if there wasn't a video?
Oh. That's right. It wouldn't be news because 'cop shoots resisting black man' isn't anything special. And they all claim they were not resisting or doing anything.
I'm not American, here people get out of their cars to pump gas, to go into the gas station store to buy snacks or to simply stretch their legs. There are all sorts of legitimate reasons to go about your legitimate daily business without being shot for doing it.
Was there a time also that people could go about their legitimate daily business without fear of being shot?
I am only surprised that no one has called Jones a "thug" yet.
Once upon a time in America, Americans didn't have to worry about getting shot or worry if they left their front door unlocked when they went on vacation.
At least I experienced the tail end of that era.
There are still some enclaves with in America where you can still experience what it was like back then.
Great.
But at what point did America become a place where going about your legitimate business mean a police officer might drive silently up to your car, ask for your licence and then shoot at you 4 times for doing what he asked you for?
Do you support this new America or would you prefer police officers were able to do this with impunity?
Great.
But at what point did America become a place where going about your legitimate business mean a police officer might drive silently up to your car, ask for your licence and then shoot at you 4 times for doing what he asked you for?
Do you support this new America or would you prefer police officers were able to do this with impunity?
So what are you saying, we should just let this go and...? There has to be some accountability for these things. If he had killed the guy this would be a disgrace, luckily he is so jumpy he missed almost all of his shots and only shot him in the hip.
We all make mistakes and then have to pay for them, why should police officers be any different? If a surgeon does a fine job on 9 patients then kills the last one from a terrible mistake, do we just let it go? Of course not.
Like others have said, if he is so rattled by what happened earlier he should have already resigned.
Don't be silly. This only happens when you are black. And that's been going on for a long long time.
Come on, he totally over reacted. He asked for some id and the guy went for it. Maybe he shouldn't be asking for people to reach for things if it makes him jumpy.
So what are you saying, we should just let this go and...? There has to be some accountability for these things. If he had killed the guy this would be a disgrace, luckily he is so jumpy he missed almost all of his shots and only shot him in the hip.
We all make mistakes and then have to pay for them, why should police officers be any different? If a surgeon does a fine job on 9 patients then kills the last one from a terrible mistake, do we just let it go? Of course not.
Like others have said, if he is so rattled by what happened earlier he should have already resigned.
I posted this earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs
Note that the police officer never hit the siren, and since the 'stop' was for a safety belt infraction, committed while moving his car about 30 yards in a parking lot, no reason for the guy to assume he's being pulled over until he's spoken to already outside his vehicle.
Actually, just watched it again, and it's not clear the car that was originally in front of the police car is the same one pulled over. At any rate, the guy didn't hit the siren. No reason for the driver to assume he was being stopped.
I have to wonder why the guy got out of his SUV in the first place, why he didn't empty his hands (was he driving with all that **** in his lap?), and why he rushed back into his SUV for his license (it's not in his pocket? wtf?). Is he just stupid?
Sometimes I don't even have pockets. I have jogging shorts with no pockets. Wallet sits either in the center console, or in the glove box.
Of course, I've also never gotten out of my car when a cop stops, either.
Never the less. You can't tell a guy to do something....and then he does what you told him to do....and then get all upset because he was doing what you told him to do.
That's what wives are for.
He would have been comfortable if he pulled the guy over and then forced him to lay on the ground with with arms spread, so he could interrogate him about his seatbelt violation.
We don't know why he got out of the car. Maybe he thought it would have been safer and less threatening to show the cop his entire body...
But if he sat in his car and reached for his glove box or opened a counsel, the cop would have obviously shot him too.
He was able to physically retreat from the cop when he opened fire. If he got shot inside the car, he would have probably been hit more times. We just don't know. Maybe he'll give an interview some day and explain why he got out of the car.
Tsk.
Too bad. Instead of a cop getting 10-20, you would be looking at 20 to life.
Definitely appears to be a bad shooting. Cop should at least be fired, and probably charged. From the information we have, it sounds like the officer did not get over what happened in the shooting a year before. He probably should not have been back out.
Who's letting anything go? From your own OP article:
"But Groubert, who has since been fired for the incident, has been charged with aggravated assault and battery, a felony that could get him up to 20 years in prison if convicted, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division said Wednesday."
Did you even read the article before posting, or did you do what most in the media today do and see 'white officer v. black shooting victim' and run with your anti cop argument out of the box?
Now look, many things in this stop looked to have been wrong. 1. Most LEO's that I know will instruct that in a traffic stop situation that the person being stopped remain in their car, and follow the orders of the LEO from that point. There is a reason for that, here we see why.
Just a guess but that's probably what will keep him out of jail and minimize (not remove) the damage in the civil trial (yes, I'm assuming there will be one unless the dept. cuts it off at the pass).
If he killed the guy, he would have been able to argue he stood his ground against a perceived threat. We already have an example of a cop shooting an armed black man in Ferguson, and he hasn't been arrested yet.
This guy had his hands up as soon as the cop started firing, and he was stopped for not wearing a seatbelt. Usually when cops are looking for DUIs or drugs, they stop for minor things like seatbelts or unsteady driving. It's BS. It's happened to me in bad neighborhood before. They asked me why I was out so late and I told them I was university student, driving home to stay at a friends. I think the trooper was profiling him to begin with. That's just how I see cops.
As everybody on TV keeps repeating, cops need better training and they should all wear cameras.
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