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Very interesting homelessness study

Print some more money, Joe! The Chinese will give you the credit!
 
poweRob said:
This thread is a fine example of how conservatives are too reactionary to ever be good leaders.
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It's called "common sense" in the real world.

Fill in the blank:
If you give a drug addict money, they'll buy _______with it.

This is an easy one.
 
poweRob said:
We really need to start looking into many different ways to handle this problem because whatever the hell is happening now, isn't working.

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A recent CA study showed that a timely infusion of between $300 and $5,000 dollars would have prevented homelessness for the vast majority of CA homeless.
"Most of the homeless Californians surveyed said a relatively small amount of cash would have saved them from the street. Seventy percent said a monthly rental subsidy of $300-$500 would have kept them from becoming homeless, while 82% believed a one-time payment of between $5,000 and $10,000 would have worked."
https://calmatters.org/housing/2023/06/california-homeless-growth-report/
 
Grandpappy said:
It's called "common sense" in the real world.

Fill in the blank:
If you give a drug addict money, they'll buy _______with it.

This is an easy one.
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Common sense would tell you that the sun orbits the earth. Just go outside, you’ll see the sun moving and the earth never moves.

Clearly the common sense of it must be correct, yes?
 
When debating this topic with conservatives remember their 2 most common "solutions" to the problem:
1. Do nothing. And then complain on the internet.
2. Find a way to visually remove them from society. Out of sight, out of mind.

They really have nothing beyond that.
 
Grandpappy said:
It's called "common sense" in the real world.
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Some people don't live in the real word. They live in a far right fantasy land populated by Hate Radio jocks and TV opinion show hosts. They think they understand what's going on without reading up on it.
Grandpappy said:
Fill in the blank:
If you give a drug addict money, they'll buy _______with it.
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Or you could screen out the drug addicts.
Grandpappy said:
This is an easy one.
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This program helped people and saved the government money. It says right in the OP I'm sure everyone read.
 
poweRob said:
We really need to start looking into many different ways to handle this problem because whatever the hell is happening now, isn't working.

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They're trying a similar program down in Tacoma, $500 a month I think. I havent heard how it's going, it may be too soon for results. Would be great if that amount could make a significant difference. Btw, the people were screened for alc/drug abuse (& other things) and were mostly families.

I dont like the sound of the 'randomly-selected' in the OP program but even so it seems to have positive results.
 
"Approximately 38% of all homeless people abuse alcohol. About 26% of all homeless people abuse drugs. Close to two-thirds of homeless veterans suffer from alcohol or drug abuse. Homeless people are nine times more likely to die from an opioid overdose than the general population."
 
when inquiring of homeless people what would help them become sheltered:
Most of the homeless Californians surveyed said a relatively small amount of cash would have saved them from the street. Seventy percent said a monthly rental subsidy of $300-$500 would have kept them from becoming homeless, while 82% believed a one-time payment of between $5,000 and $10,000 would have worked.
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these people know about being homeless

but what they do NOT know is how to end their homelessness
yet these are the people we ask, what would eliminate your homelessness

surprise
they say "money"

2/3 have mental health issues
a great number have substance abuse issues

but their answer is not 'more mental health' care
or
"more substance abuse intervention"

no, their "solution" to their problem of homelessness is "money"

why not instead implement some programs that were proven successful during the great depression

government jobs. not well paying jobs, but jobs that pay an amount that they would leave to take a private sector job

and housing. while they are performing those government jobs. in facilities with mental health providers. substance abuse counselors. skills trainers

that would help a great number, but not most of the homeless. because most of the homeless are incapable of being self-sufficient

if we expect to get that 'hard-core' homeless population off of the streets, it will be into government provided shelter with lots of resources to allow them to remain in that shelter. we have to offer them a government-funded option that is better than living on the street

and even then, a sizable segment of that 'hard-core' homeless will struggle, because they will be unable to follow the rules to remain in the government funded shelter
 
Grandpappy said:
"Approximately 38% of all homeless people abuse alcohol. About 26% of all homeless people abuse drugs. Close to two-thirds of homeless veterans suffer from alcohol or drug abuse. Homeless people are nine times more likely to die from an opioid overdose than the general population."
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Geez, we have to do something to help these people.
 
justabubba said:
when inquiring of homeless people what would help them become sheltered:

these people know about being homeless

but what they do NOT know is how to end their homelessness
yet these are the people we ask, what would eliminate your homelessness

surprise
they say "money"

2/3 have mental health issues
a great number have substance abuse issues

but their answer is not 'more mental health' care
or
"more substance abuse intervention"

no, their "solution" to their problem of homelessness is "money"

why not instead implement some programs that were proven successful during the great depression

government jobs. not well paying jobs, but jobs that pay an amount that they would leave to take a private sector job

and housing. while they are performing those government jobs. in facilities with mental health providers. substance abuse counselors. skills trainers

that would help a great number, but not most of the homeless. because most of the homeless are incapable of being self-sufficient

if we expect to get that 'hard-core' homeless population off of the streets, it will be into government provided shelter with lots of resources to allow them to remain in that shelter. we have to offer them a government-funded option that is better than living on the street

and even then, a sizable segment of that 'hard-core' homeless will struggle, because they will be unable to follow the rules to remain in the government funded shelter
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Researchers gave $C7,500 to 50 randomly-selected folks experiencing homelessness.The graph below shows the full set of causal effects of this cash.Importantly: It led folks to spend fewer days in shelters, generating cost savings of $C8,277.Feast your eyes on this implication: Giving cash to homeless folks makes TAXPAYERS RICHER!
 
Grandpappy said:
It's called "common sense" in the real world.

Fill in the blank:
If you give a drug addict money, they'll buy _______with it.

This is an easy one.
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So? The Bible says let them. Do you hate the Bible now?
 
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Grandpappy said:
Print some more money, Joe! The Chinese will give you the credit!
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Why is this cause for a snarky remark? Why go there? Have we become so callous that everything, even human beings personal misery, causes us to thump our chest because, man, that was so funny?
 
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