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Vax will absolutely not be integrated with your DNA!

Northern Light said:
Expediency doesn't make up for the years of waiting and watching trial participants.

You're damn right it's the reason for vaccine hesitancy. I don't take drugs that haven't undergone full clinical trials. If that bothers you then that's not my problem. The first people to bring up myocarditis were called unscientific antivaxers. Then the news broke that it was true. Rinse, lather, repeat with the myriad other medical conditions the vax has caused.

This vaccine has a high risk to benefit ratio. In addition to not wanting to take a product whose full risk profile is not known, I'm not going to sign up for something that has dubious efficacy.
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Have you ever taken aspirin?
 
Northern Light said:
Expediency doesn't make up for the years of waiting and watching trial participants.

You're damn right it's the reason for vaccine hesitancy. I don't take drugs that haven't undergone full clinical trials. If that bothers you then that's not my problem. The first people to bring up myocarditis were called unscientific antivaxers. Then the news broke that it was true. Rinse, lather, repeat with the myriad other medical conditions the vax has caused.

This vaccine has a high risk to benefit ratio. In addition to not wanting to take a product whose full risk profile is not known, I'm not going to sign up for something that has dubious efficacy.
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I explained how it was possible to come up with a vaccine in far less time than usual, as per years of accumulated data. As for your claim the vaccine has a high risk to benefit ratio, I've yet to find evidence showing this is true, but rather pure speculative nonsense.
 
iguanaman said:
The mechanism that MRNA vaccines use is quite well understood and the fact that there is nothing left of the vaccine after a week or 2 makes the chance of any long term effects nill. Not so with the covid virus though we are still studying the long term effects from a covid infection. The "brain fogs" that many long covid sufferers report is quite unusual and worrying.
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It is NOT TRUE that there is nothing left of the vaccine after a week or 2!
 
Good4Nothin said:
It is NOT TRUE that there is nothing left of the vaccine after a week or 2!
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LOL You clearly have no clue how messenger RNA functions in the body. It is used to make a specific protein and then is broken down and removed from the cell and the body. This is how all messenger RNA functions in our cells not just the RNA in vaccines.

Unlike vaccines that put a weakened or inactivated virus in your body to activate an immune response, the two COVID-19 vaccines use messenger RNA, or mRNA, to deliver a message to your immune system. In this case, the message tells your cells to create a harmless piece of a specific spike protein that’s found on the surface of COVID-19. Your body recognizes that the spike protein doesn’t belong and starts creating antibodies to remove it. In doing so, your body’s immune system becomes prepared to fight the virus if you encounter it.

It’s important to know that mRNA doesn’t affect your genes in any way because it never enters the nucleus of cells, where your DNA is kept. After the mRNA does its job, it breaks down and is flushed out of your system within hours. It’s also important to know that although mRNA technology for vaccines is new, the mRNA technology itself isn’t. Therapies using mRNA have been around for years and are currently being used to treat cancer and viral diseases.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/what-you-need-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines
 
iguanaman said:
LOL You clearly have no clue how messenger RNA functions in the body. It is used to make a specific protein and then is broken down and removed from the cell and the body. This is how all messenger RNA functions in our cells not just the RNA in vaccines.

Unlike vaccines that put a weakened or inactivated virus in your body to activate an immune response, the two COVID-19 vaccines use messenger RNA, or mRNA, to deliver a message to your immune system. In this case, the message tells your cells to create a harmless piece of a specific spike protein that’s found on the surface of COVID-19. Your body recognizes that the spike protein doesn’t belong and starts creating antibodies to remove it. In doing so, your body’s immune system becomes prepared to fight the virus if you encounter it.

It’s important to know that mRNA doesn’t affect your genes in any way because it never enters the nucleus of cells, where your DNA is kept. After the mRNA does its job, it breaks down and is flushed out of your system within hours. It’s also important to know that although mRNA technology for vaccines is new, the mRNA technology itself isn’t. Therapies using mRNA have been around for years and are currently being used to treat cancer and viral diseases.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/what-you-need-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines
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The mRNA in covid vaccines is genetically engineered to be more lasting than natural mRNA. And the spikes that are generated can last in the body indefinitely.
 
Good4Nothin said:
The mRNA in covid vaccines is genetically engineered to be more lasting than natural mRNA. And the spikes that are generated can last in the body indefinitely.
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LOL They are genetically engineered to produce immunity from covid and are otherwise identical to RNA naturally produced by our cells. The "spikes" they produce are identical to the spikes on the surface of the covid virus and are eliminated by our immune system the same way as covid spikes are. The difference is they are not part of a deadly virus that invades and kills our cells. What you call "spikes" are just a harmless covid specific protein molecule that is used to prime the bodies immune system to recognize a covid infection faster. You are a wealth of ludicrously stupid and wrong conspiracy theories with no basis in fact.

Question:
Are the spike proteins generated by the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines harmful?
Answer:
There is no evidence that vaccine-generated spike proteins are harmful.

  • The mRNA vaccines work by teaching our cells how to make a harmless spike protein that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. The body then makes antibodies to help you fight infection if the COVID-19 virus enters your body.
  • Some people are concerned that the spike proteins generated by COVID-19 vaccines can cause harm to the body’s organs or tissues. However, there is no evidence that the vaccine-generated spike proteins cause harm.
  • COVID-19 infection, however, can damage many organs and tissues. It is important to focus on the right risk.
  • The vaccine-generated spike proteins don't last long in the body; the immune system quickly identifies, attacks, and destroys them.
  • Scientists estimate that the spike proteins, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body for up to a few weeks.

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-spike-proteins-generated-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-harmful


 
Fledermaus said:
How many ADRs are attributed to vaccines?
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According to VAERS, ~0.003% of the vaccinated population, and those reports account for ~1% of all ADRs based on past audits of the VAERS and clinical reporting standards in the U.S. The UK Yellowcard data, which is much more reliable because only physicians can report, shows that the number per capita (vaccinated) is actually much higher.
 
Pluto said:
I explained how it was possible to come up with a vaccine in far less time than usual, as per years of accumulated data. As for your claim the vaccine has a high risk to benefit ratio, I've yet to find evidence showing this is true, but rather pure speculative nonsense.
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Yes, I read your explanation, but it demonstrates that you don't know how R&D works.

You believed what politicians told you about medicine instead of looking at how medicine works.

Pfizer put ~30,000 trial participants into phase III, which is a huge number and not the norm, in an attempt to make up for a time crunch, then claimed that this replaced the time crunch. Then the politicians sold us a story about how emergency laws cut through red tape and resource limitations as a reason for how we were able to accelerate clinical trials.

Anyone with basic education in medical statistics knows this is impossible. Sample size cannot replace longitudinal data. They are literally different variables (sample size, time). Despite the jargon, the covid vaccine is still a clinical trial because phase IV didn't fully happen. They unblinded the participants after 3 months of phase III and claimed phase IV was completed. You can't complete a proper vaccine phase IV trial in 3 months. Normally it would take 4 years but emergency use laws rewrote that qualification.

It's why they have had vaccine recipients sign a liability waver before getting the shot. The politicians say one thing but the document people signed says another. It's all baked into the laws that the documents refer to.

I won't explain this to you further. If you want to believe your explanation is correct then all the power to you. I'm just letting you know that you're missing important information.

I can't in good conscience take something that hasn't had complete study. Added to that, the ADR rate is monstrous.
 
Northern Light said:
Yes, I read your explanation, but it demonstrates that you don't know how R&D works.

You believed what politicians told you about medicine instead of looking at how medicine works.

Pfizer put ~30,000 trial participants into phase III, which is a huge number and not the norm, in an attempt to make up for a time crunch, then claimed that this replaced the time crunch. Then the politicians sold us a story about how emergency laws cut through red tape and resource limitations as a reason for how we were able to accelerate clinical trials.

Anyone with basic education in medical statistics knows this is impossible. Sample size cannot replace longitudinal data. They are literally different variables (sample size, time). Despite the jargon, the covid vaccine is still a clinical trial because phase IV didn't fully happen. They unblinded the participants after 3 months of phase III and claimed phase IV was completed. You can't complete a proper vaccine phase IV trial in 3 months. Normally it would take 4 years but emergency use laws rewrote that qualification.

It's why they have had vaccine recipients sign a liability waver before getting the shot. The politicians say one thing but the document people signed says another. It's all baked into the laws that the documents refer to.

I won't explain this to you further. If you want to believe your explanation is correct then all the power to you. I'm just letting you know that you're missing important information.

I can't in good conscience take something that hasn't had complete study. Added to that, the ADR rate is monstrous.
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But you can allow yourself to be infected with a novel virus that has had no clinical trials and what data we have shows an alarming rate of long term complications that we still do not understand. Enjoy your brain fog and shortness of breath that may last forever. I have had 4 shots of the Moderna vaccine and never have felt better.
 
They can't claim that vaccine data "absolutely" will not be integrated into DNA when some scientists are claiming that it occurs. The proper way to conduct science is to listen to those scientists who are dissenting against the dominant view, and test their theory. You test their theory with experiments. If the experiments don't pan out, then you stick with the dominant theory. If the experiments show DNA incorporation, then you repeat the experiments among many scientists. If it continues to show incorporation, then the paradigm changes.

You can't just ignore this because it's inconvenient to the politics. You have to test it. And it's still way too early to know if it's true or not. Some experts are saying yes, some are saying no. And the media writes articles saying that we absolutely know the answer when we don't.
 
iguanaman said:
But you can allow yourself to be infected with a novel virus that has had no clinical trials and what data we have shows an alarming rate of long term complications that we still do not understand. Enjoy your brain fog and shortness of breath that may last forever. I have had 4 shots of the Moderna vaccine and never have felt better.
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I had covid already and I'm just fine.

The Pfizer data shows the ADR rate in their trial was >1-3%. The covid death rate is 0.1% if you're 60 or older. It's less than 0.001% if you're under 40. It's almost non-existent if you are 25 and under. If you're under 20 and unvaccinated, it's practically unheard of. Vaccinated children are now dying of covid, on top of vaccine ADRs.

Do the math. If you're 60, you have a higher chance of a vaccine ADR than dying of covid.

Again, the politics scared people by making everyone think that ANYBODY could be at risk of death. It scared the shit out of the public unnecessarily. Meanwhile, they knew very early on (court documents prove this) that it's the same demographics at high risk: comorbid conditions (like obesity), old age, immune compromised. But they locked down everybody.

This is the biggest scam in human history, foisted by fear and compounded by the fact that the average person has no knowledge of science or statistics.
 
Northern Light said:
They can't claim that vaccine data "absolutely" will not be integrated into DNA when some scientists are claiming that it occurs. The proper way to conduct science is to listen to those scientists who are dissenting against the dominant view, and test their theory. You test their theory with experiments. If the experiments don't pan out, then you stick with the dominant theory. If the experiments show DNA incorporation, then you repeat the experiments among many scientists. If it continues to show incorporation, then the paradigm changes.

You can't just ignore this because it's inconvenient to the politics. You have to test it. And it's still way too early to know if it's true or not. Some experts are saying yes, some are saying no. And the media writes articles saying that we absolutely know the answer when we don't.
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LOL I suppose you feel the same way about human caused global warming? Just because some "scientist" might have an axe to grind or a profit motive that causes him to make unsupported and far fetched claims it does not mean they are suddenly relevant. If you want to experiment on yourself with a novel virus that has already killed millions and shown to have long term debilitating side effects that is your choice but do not act like that is the smart thing to do...it's not.
 
Northern Light said:
I had covid already and I'm just fine.

The Pfizer data shows the ADR rate in their trial was >1-3%. The covid death rate is 0.1% if you're 60 or older. It's less than 0.001% if you're under 40. It's almost non-existent if you are 25 and under. If you're under 20 and unvaccinated, it's practically unheard of. Vaccinated children are now dying of covid, on top of vaccine ADRs.

Do the math. If you're 60, you have a higher chance of a vaccine ADR than dying of covid.

Again, the politics scared people by making everyone think that ANYBODY could be at risk of death. It scared the shit out of the public unnecessarily. Meanwhile, they knew very early on (court documents prove this) that it's the same demographics at high risk: comorbid conditions (like obesity), old age, immune compromised. But they locked down everybody.

This is the biggest scam in human history, foisted by fear and compounded by the fact that the average person has no knowledge of science or statistics.
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You are part of the reason that we lost over a million souls from covid. You have no excuse for that either. The ONLY deaths directly attributed to the vaccine after MILLIONS have received it were 9 instances of blood clots from the J&J vaccine. And the J&J vaccine that caused them is no longer used.

There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Our ruling
Kirsch claimed: "They've now killed close to twice as many kids from the vaccine as have died from COVID."
Federal data show 771 deaths involving COVID-19 among children. Nine deaths have been associated with one of the COVID-19 vaccines, but none were children.
The claim of nearly twice as many children being killed by COVID-19 vaccines — 1,312, when none have been confirmed — is false and ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ted-claim-children-killed-covid-19-vaccines-/
 
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Northern Light said:
According to VAERS, ~0.003% of the vaccinated population, and those reports account for ~1% of all ADRs based on past audits of the VAERS and clinical reporting standards in the U.S. The UK Yellowcard data, which is much more reliable because only physicians can report, shows that the number per capita (vaccinated) is actually much higher.
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The question was: How many ADRs are attributed to vaccines?
 
iguanaman said:
You are part of the reason that we lost over a million souls from covid. You have no excuse for that either. The ONLY deaths directly attributed to the vaccine after MILLIONS have received it were 9 instances of blood clots from the J&J vaccine. And the J&J vaccine that caused them is no longer used.

There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Our ruling
Kirsch claimed: "They've now killed close to twice as many kids from the vaccine as have died from COVID."
Federal data show 771 deaths involving COVID-19 among children. Nine deaths have been associated with one of the COVID-19 vaccines, but none were children.
The claim of nearly twice as many children being killed by COVID-19 vaccines — 1,312, when none have been confirmed — is false and ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ted-claim-children-killed-covid-19-vaccines-/
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Oh lord... you're citing politifact.

The reason we lost over a million souls from covid is 1) People were always going to die, that's what pandemics do. How many people die world wide from influenza each year, something we have a yearly vaccine for? I'll wait for you to look that up. 2) Doctors put people on ventilators and gave them no other treatment, even though there were options. Even things like vitamin D and zinc were shown to reduce mortality. The medical establishment was mum, and any doctor who tried to say different was muzzled, deplatformed, and often de-licensed. They let people die while lying to the public about there being no options. They were just delaying until their profitable one-solution was created.

You obviously get your information from popular media, so there's no point in talking to you. Like I said, I don't try to reason with zombies.
 
Fledermaus said:
The question was: How many ADRs are attributed to vaccines?
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We're talking about covid vaccines.

If there's a point you'd like to make, please elaborate.
 
Northern Light said:
Oh lord... you're citing politifact.

The reason we lost over a million souls from covid is 1) People were always going to die, that's what pandemics do. How many people die world wide from influenza each year, something we have a yearly vaccine for? I'll wait for you to look that up. 2) Doctors put people on ventilators and gave them no other treatment, even though there were options. Even things like vitamin D and zinc were shown to reduce mortality. The medical establishment was mum. They let people die while lying to the public about there being no options. They were just delaying until their profitable one-solution was created.

You obviously get your information from popular media, so there's no point in talking to you. Like I said, I don't try to reason with zombies.
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But you try to convince others that getting infected with an untested and unknown virus is safer than getting a tested and proven vaccine that may save their lives. That is my problem with you. You are trying to kill people or infect them with long term covid. I don't know which is worse but I wish you would cut it out.

For some people, COVID-19 symptoms can last anywhere from four weeks to six months after testing positive for the virus. These patients, given the name "long haulers", have in theory recovered from the worst impacts of COVID-19 and have tested negative. However, they still have symptoms of what's being called "long COVID." There seems to be no consistent reason for this to happen.
This condition can affect anyone – old and young, otherwise healthy people and those battling other conditions. It has been seen in those who were hospitalized with COVID-19 and patients with very mild symptoms. Studies indicate that about 10% of people infected with COVID-19 will experience long-haul symptoms.
Not a lot is known about people who have long COVID-19. The vast majority of long haulers test negative for the virus. There’s nothing specific to test for lasting coronavirus symptoms. It also doesn't appear to be different in those who have different variants, like omicron or delta.
One common theory about patients with long COVID-19 symptoms is that the virus possibly remains in their bodies in some small form. Another theory is their immune systems continue to overreact even though the infection has passed.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/covid-19-long-haulers



 
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Northern Light said:
Oh lord... you're citing politifact.

The reason we lost over a million souls from covid is 1) People were always going to die, that's what pandemics do. How many people die world wide from influenza each year, something we have a yearly vaccine for? I'll wait for you to look that up. 2) Doctors put people on ventilators and gave them no other treatment, even though there were options. Even things like vitamin D and zinc were shown to reduce mortality. The medical establishment was mum, and any doctor who tried to say different was muzzled, deplatformed, and often de-licensed. They let people die while lying to the public about there being no options. They were just delaying until their profitable one-solution was created.

You obviously get your information from popular media, so there's no point in talking to you. Like I said, I don't try to reason with zombies.
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I thought I would add yet another reason to be vaxxed even if you have had covid...

Vaccination Reduces Chance of Getting Long COVID, Studies Say​

Vaccination against COVID-19 reduces the risk of developing long COVID and improves long COVID symptoms among those who were unvaccinated when infected, according to a new comprehensive review by the U.K. Health Security Agency.

In six studies, those who received one or two vaccine doses before coronavirus infection were less likely to develop symptoms of long COVID after infection.

In two studies, fully vaccinated people were less likely than unvaccinated people to develop medium- or long-term symptoms such as fatigue, headache, weakness in the arms and legs, persistent muscle pain, hair loss, dizziness, shortness of breath, loss of smell or lung scarring.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/202...on against COVID-19,UK Health Security Agency.
 
Northern Light said:
Yes, I read your explanation, but it demonstrates that you don't know how R&D works.

You believed what politicians told you about medicine instead of looking at how medicine works.
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You know, you sure do go through an awful lot of trouble trying to explain away the science behind today's vaccine production, while at the same time having the gull to suggest the source of my knowledge surrounding medicine was based upon 'my belief in politicians'. Imagine that. And to top it off, you question signing a liability waiver as if it were somehow relative to a lack of vaccine efficacy, when in fact it's a common requirement should you seek even the most trivial of treatment measures. Never mind that the challenges of producing and rolling out vaccines depends on technical, ethical and regulatory provisions set forth to help keep you and I safe - by a government you claim is out to poison its populace much like many claimed China did when they 'supposedly' produced a virus in a lab for the sole purpose of decreasing its population. But hey, if your so paranoid as to think over 6.5 million deaths weren't convincing enough to receive a simple shot, I suspect the science won't either. This, or someone the likes of Russell Brand or a 'politician' got to you first before the science ever did.
 
Tlrmln said:
, I don't believe that EVERYTHING about it is understood. But there's literally not a single shred of evidence that the mRNA from the vaccine does anything different in your cells than your own mRNA.
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"Until you can prove that they know everything and that it has no chance of doing what I'm skeered of, I ain't taking Trump's vaccine."
 
iguanaman said:
LOL They are genetically engineered to produce immunity from covid and are otherwise identical to RNA naturally produced by our cells.
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LOL. Identical to RNA naturally produced by our cells? What? Our cells don't produce RNA to code covid spikes, for one thing. And the vaccine mRNA is genetically engineered to be more durable than normal mRNA. And is unnatural in other ways. You do not know anything about this, except what you barely understood of the advertising propaganda.
 
iguanaman said:
  • The mRNA vaccines work by teaching our cells how to make a harmless spike protein that triggers an immune response inside our bodies. The body then makes antibodies to help you fight infection if the COVID-19 virus enters your body.
  • Some people are concerned that the spike proteins generated by COVID-19 vaccines can cause harm to the body’s organs or tissues. However, there is no evidence that the vaccine-generated spike proteins cause harm.
  • COVID-19 infection, however, can damage many organs and tissues. It is important to focus on the right risk.
  • The vaccine-generated spike proteins don't last long in the body; the immune system quickly identifies, attacks, and destroys them.
  • Scientists estimate that the spike proteins, like other proteins our bodies create, may stay in the body for up to a few weeks.

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-spike-proteins-generated-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-harmful
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The spike protein is the part of the covid virus that is MOST HARMFUL. Where the heck are you getting your misinformation?

And the spikes from the vaccine are NOT attached to a virus, and therefore the immune system is less likely to destroy them.!
 
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